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President may constitutionally authorize warrantless wiretaps!!
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN ^ | June 13, 1979 | OPINIONBY:FREEMAN

Posted on 01/03/2006 1:45:06 AM PST by SBD1

Jabara v. Kelley June 13, 1979

CASE SUMMARY

PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff citizen filed suit against defendants, the National Security Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and their agents. Plaintiff raised several constitutional and statutory challenges to various practices employed by defendants in conducting an investigation of him. Plaintiff filed a motion for summary judgment and defendants filed a motion to dismiss and for summary judgment.

OVERVIEW: Plaintiff was an active member of various Arab organizations. Defendants maintained an ongoing investigation of plaintiff and employed a variety of tactics therein. The court granted in part and denied in part the motions by both parties and held that: 1) plaintiff's claims could not be rendered moot because of the likelihood of future investigation and unresolved legal issues; 2) plaintiff presented a justiciable First Amendment claim because the unlawful intrusions exceeded a subjective chill of plaintiff's right of free speech; 3) defendants' motion to dismiss all Fourth Amendment claims based on physical surveillance, use of informers, inspection of bank records, and the maintenance and dissemination of the obtained information was granted because plaintiff had no reasonable expectation of privacy therein; 4) there was a genuine issue of material fact regarding the legitimacy of the investigation and the alleged violation of plaintiff's First Amendment rights; and 5) a warrant was not required for the incidental interception of plaintiff's conversations with the targets of wiretaps because the surveillance was for foreign intelligence purposes.

Clear language of Title III reveals that it did not legislate with respect to national security surveillances and that such surveillances therefore are not subject to the warrant requirements contained in 18 U.S.C.S. § 2518. While Title III does not legislate with respect to the necessity of obtaining a warrant for national security wiretaps, it does provide procedures and remedies applicable to any national security wiretap where a warrant is otherwise required by the constitution.

Because of the President's constitutional duty to act for the United States in the field of foreign relations, and his inherent power to protect national security in the context of foreign affairs, the President may constitutionally authorize warrantless wiretaps for the purpose of gathering foreign intelligence.

A warrant is not required for foreign intelligence electronic surveillances authorized by the President where the target of the surveillance is an agent of or acting in collaboration with a foreign power.

First, it is clear that the plaintiff's theory of recovery cannot be based on the provisions of Title III. Although Title III requires a warrant for certain types of electronic surveillance, it did not legislate with respect to the President's power to authorize electronic surveillance with respect to matters of national security. 18 U.S.C. § 2511(3). In United States v. United States Court (Keith), 407 U.S. 297, 92 S. Ct. 2125, 32 L. Ed. 2d 752 (1972), the Supreme Court held that HN8clear language of [**42] Title III reveals that it did not legislate with respect to national security surveillances and that such surveillances therefore are not subject to the warrant requirements contained in 18 U.S.C. § 2518. Accord, Hallinan v. Mitchell, 418 F. Supp. 1056 (N.D.Cal.1976). However, in Zweibon v. Mitchell, 170 U.S.App.D.C. 1, 516 F.2d 594 (1975), (En banc ), a plurality of the Court held that Title III was applicable to any situation where a warrant was constitutionally required for electronic surveillance. In other words, the Court recognized that while Title III does not legislate with respect to the necessity of obtaining a warrant for national security wiretaps, it does provide procedures and remedies applicable to any national security wiretap where a warrant is otherwise required by the constitution.

[*576] Thus, even considering Zweibon, it is clear that Title III does not in and of itself require a warrant for national security investigations. As a result, the issue which must be resolved is whether there is a constitutional basis, aside from Title III, which requires a warrant for electronic surveillance such as that conducted in this case. In Keith, the Court held that [**43] a warrant was constitutionally required for domestic national security wiretaps. However, the Court specifically left open the issue of whether a warrant is required for a foreign national security wiretap:

Because of the President's constitutional duty to act for the United States in the field of foreign relations, and his inherent power to protect national security in the context of foreign affairs, we reaffirm what we held in United States v. Clay, (430 F.2d 165 (5th Cir. 1970), rev'd on other grounds 403 U.S. 698, 91 S. Ct. 2068, 29 L. Ed. 2d 810 (1970)), that the President may constitutionally authorize warrantless wiretaps for the purpose of gathering foreign intelligence.

the President's authority with respect to the conduct of foreign affairs does not excuse him from seeking judicial approval before instituting a surveillance, at least where the subject of the surveillance is a domestic organization that is not the agent of or acting in collaboration with a foreign power. Id. 170 U.S.App.D.C. at 62, 516 F.2d at 655.

In light of these decisions, the Court is of the opinion that HN10a warrant is not required [**45] for foreign intelligence electronic surveillances authorized by the President where the target of the surveillance is an agent of or acting in collaboration with a foreign power.

n14. From the In camera affidavits it appears that Title III would not provide a separate ground for requiring a warrant in this case in view of the Supreme Court's holding in Keith that national security surveillance conducted pursuant to executive order is not within the ambit of Title III.

SBD


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To: saganite
The case cited here was over ruled on appeal.

The (lower court -- District Court) case sited here stands for the proposition that the warrantless sureveillance by NSA against Jabara violated Jabara's fourth amendment rights. The Circuit Court of Appeals reversed that conclusion, on the grounds that Jabara failed to assert that the NSA activity violated his fourth amendment rights; and that since Jabara conceded the information was lawfully obtained, it was not a violation of the fourth amendment to pass the information to the FBI.

The appellate case (Jabara v. Webster, 691 F.2d 272 (1982)) has an Alice in Wonderland quality ;-)

Jabara, however, does not even contend on this appeal that the interception by the NSA violated his fourth amendment rights; we may therefore take as a given that the information was legally in the hands of the NSA. What Jabara does contend, and the district court agreed, is that his rights were violated when the NSA turned over the information, without a warrant, to the FBI. Defendants, on the other hand, contend that, since the NSA had lawfully intercepted and had made a record of the content of Jabara's communications, the fourth amendment was not implicated when the FBI requested and obtained the summaries from the NSA. This is so, defendants contend, because there simply was no "search" or "seizure" when this information was turned over to another agency of the government.

221 posted on 01/04/2006 8:08:08 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Sheesh. Looks like I got it backwards but as I understand it now the case finally said nothing about 4th amendment rights as the appeals court said he failed to assert them. Cosequently this case says nothing about the current debate. Is that right?


222 posted on 01/04/2006 8:12:36 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Shalom Israel

I don't disagree a bit and have the same concerns that a Liberal administration's definition of resonable could be appalling.

That is why I'd prefer to not elect those that I cannot trust in the slightest.

"Reasonable" is subjective and probably intentionally so. I don't mind. There must be flexibility and judgement involved. Any power can be abused; that is also why we have so many checks and balances.

Obviously there are those who don't like what they think Pres. Bush has been doing based on principle. Then there are those who just oppose everything he's done, is doing, and will do.

But I don't think that, based on what I think I know of this, there is anything illegal, unConstititional, or unethical.

Why should those who illegally try to change our government have the protections of the governement that they are trying to kill?

It's like a host afraid to rid itself of a lethal parasite!


223 posted on 01/04/2006 8:16:47 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: airedale

Yada. . . Yada. . . Yada. . .

Good God, man. I just woke up and you're putting me to sleep with platitudes.

Laws, statutes, rules, and regulations must conform to the Constitution, not the other way around. I keep saying Constitution. You keep talking about law.

Most laws don't meet constitutional muster, but that doesn't stop Congress from passing them, the president from signing them (especially this one. Someone must have stolen his veto pen.), and the courts from upholding them.

At least you were able to figure out that McCain-Feingold was wrong.


224 posted on 01/04/2006 8:58:38 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Eagle Eye; Shalom Israel
The BoR clearly authorizes REASONABLE searches and seizures without warrant.

Even if I didn't know what the 4th Amendment said, I would know that the above statement is wrong.

The Constitution specifically delegates to each branch of government certain limited and defined powers. Essentially it tells the government what it can or must do. If it ain't there, they cannot do it (constitutionally).

The Bill of Rights, on the other hand, doesn't authorize anything and doesn't grant anything. Those first 10 Amendments remind the Federal -- not national -- government that all other powers belong to the States or to the people respectively and enumerates SOME of those rights. As opposed to the Constitution telling the government what it CAN do, the BoR tells them what they SHALL NOT, MUST NOT, or CANNOT do.

1] They SHALL NOT make laws about speech and religion. They CANNOT prohibit you from worship. They CANNOT stop you from assembling.....

2] They SHALL NOT infringe on our right to KABA.

3] They SHALL NOT quarter soldiers.

4] They SHALL NOT search without a warrant. They CANNOT issue a warrant without probable cause and an sworn affidavit declaring what is to be searched and why.

5] They CANNOT compel you to testify against yourself. They CANNOT take your property, even for good reason without due process and fair compensation.

6] 7] 8] . . . .

You get the idea.

The idea that you could be searched without a warrant when it is 'reasonable' is just not true. Any search that fails to meet the 4th Amendment conditions is unreasonable and SHALL NOT be done. It is my right (and yours) not to be searched without probable cause that SHALL NOT be violated.

I understand that the courts and the 'law' says that government can do it, but does the law trump the Constitution? I think not and the Founders would agree.

225 posted on 01/04/2006 9:23:18 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: saganite
Sheesh. Looks like I got it backwards but as I understand it now the case finally said nothing about 4th amendment rights as the appeals court said he failed to assert them. Cosequently this case says nothing about the current debate. Is that right?

Both the lower court and appeals court had plenty to say about the 4th amendment. The appeals case speaks for itself, and I think can be construed in various ways that are useful in the current debate. But the case does not challenge the Constitutionality of NSA data gathering, nor does it probe or challenge the propriety of filtering that information in response to warrantless FBI requests for specific information.

The district court, in determining that Jabara's fourth amendment rights were violated when the FBI, without a warrant, obtained the summaries of his overseas telegraphic communications, distinguished the holding of the District of Columbia Circuit in Halkin v. Helms, 598 F.2d 1 (1978). There the court held (see note 5 herein at page 275) that application of the state secret privilege required dismissal of plaintiffs' claims based on alleged interception by the NSA of their overseas communications because the fact of interception need not be and was not divulged. Here, on the other hand, defendants had divulged the interception and later transmittal to the FBI. ^8 Thus, the district court reasoned, the state secret privilege was no impediment to the adjudication of Jabara's fourth amendment claim. The district court went on to hold, citing Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347, 88 S.Ct. 507, 19 L.Ed.2d 576 (1967), that the fourth amendment was implicated since Jabara had a reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to his overseas telegraphic communications. The district court further held that, since the record, classified or otherwise, did not reveal evidence that Jabara was a foreign agent or was acting in collaboration with a foreign agent, even if there is a foreign agent exception to the warrant requirement, the exception could not be applied here. The district court therefore granted summary judgment and injunctive relief to Jabara. 476 F.Supp. at 577-579.

As heretofore stated, Jabara does not contend on appeal that the NSA's interception of his foreign telegraphic communications violated his fourth amendment rights, and therefore we may take as a given the proposition that the NSA lawfully received and was in possession of the communications. From this proposition defendants argue, we think correctly, that Jabara's fourth amendment rights were not violated when the summaries were turned over to the FBI because this was not a "search" or "seizure" within the meaning of the amendment. ...

Jabara contends, however, that there was a "search" or "seizure" when the summaries were turned over by the NSA to the FBI under the holding in Walter v. United States, 447 U.S. 649, 100 S.Ct. 2395, 65 L.Ed.2d 410 (1980). There some pornographic 8-millimeter films, in boxes that were in sealed packages, were misdelivered after shipment, and the recipient opened the packages. On the boxes were descriptions and drawings that clearly indicated their contents. The recipient, however, did not view the films but turned them over to an FBI agent. FBI agents, then, without a warrant, viewed the films with a projector. The question before the Court was whether the films should have been suppressed because the showing of the films with a projector was an illegal search under the fourth amendment.

In a five-to-four decision, the Court held that the showing of the film with a projector was a "search" and therefore the showing violated the fourth amendment. Justice Stevens authored the lead opinion for the majority, saying (447 U.S. at 654, 100 S.Ct. at 2400):

(N)otwithstanding that the nature of the contents of these films was indicated by descriptive material on their individual containers, we are nevertheless persuaded that the unauthorized exhibition of the films constituted an unreasonable invasion of their owner's constitutionally protected interest in privacy. It was a search; there was no warrant; the owner had not consented; and there were no exigent circumstances.

It is perfectly obvious that the agents' reason for viewing the films was to determine whether their owner was guilty of a federal offense. To be sure, the labels on the film boxes gave them probable cause to believe that the films were obscene and that their shipment in interstate commerce had offended the federal criminal code. But the labels were not sufficient to support a conviction and were not mentioned in the indictment. Further investigation-that is to say, a search of the contents of the films-was necessary in order to obtain the evidence which was to be used at trial.

The fact that FBI agents were lawfully in possession of the boxes of film did not give them authority to search their contents. Ever since 1878 when Mr. Justice Field's opinion for the Court in Ex parte Jackson, 96 U.S. 727, 24 L.Ed. 877, established that sealed packages in the mail cannot be opened without a warrant, it has been settled that an officer's authority to possess a package is distinct from his authority to examine its contents.

(Citations and footnotes omitted).

In the instant case, on the contrary, Jabara's very words, summaries of which were supplied to the FBI, had been lawfully intercepted by and were in the records of the NSA. NSA therefore already had in its records, after it intercepted, all that it supplied to the FBI. Jabara appears to argue, however, that the fact that the NSA acquired, stored and retrieved a large amount of information using sophisticated, high-technology methods and equipment should lead to the conclusion that the NSA's acquisition of Jabara's telegraphic messages was not a search and that the only search occurred when, at the request of the FBI, the NSA retrieved Jabara's messages and delivered summaries to the FBI. There are two difficulties with this argument. First, the simple fact remains that the NSA lawfully acquired Jabara's messages, and these are all that it delivered to the FBI. Second, to the extent that Jabara relies on alleged facts surrounding the methods and technology of acquisition, storage and retrieval of information, such are, as was held by the district court, subject to the state secret privilege. It was recognition of the effect of the privilege that caused the district court to limit its consideration to the question whether the targeting of Jabara's communications by the FBI, in obtaining the summaries from the NSA, was a fourth amendment violation irrespective of the facts surrounding the acquisition, storage and retrieval of the information by the NSA. ... [snip discussion of "Bailey" case, where a warrant is required to insert a "beeper" to track a drum of chemicals] ...

We consider it irrelevant whether a particular governmental intrusion is classified as a "search" or as a "seizure." What matters is whether it violates an individual's legitimate expectation of privacy. Therefore, it is not necessary to speculate whether a beeper "searches" or "seizes" anything.

Our court then quoted (628 F.2d at 941) from Justice Harlan's concurring opinion in Katz to the effect that, while a reasonable expectation of privacy is the test, this means that the person asserting the claim must have exhibited an actual (subjective) expectation of privacy and that the expectation must be one that society is prepared to accept as reasonable.

Applying this analysis utilized by our court in Bailey, we agree that Jabara exhibited an actual (subjective) expectation of privacy when he sent the telegraphic massages overseas. But the question here is whether he had an expectation of privacy that society is prepared to recognize as reasonable after the messages had lawfully come into the possession of the NSA. For it was after the messages were intercepted and within the possession of the NSA and only when they were delivered to the FBI that Jabara contents that his fourth amendment rights were violated. We do not believe that an expectation that information lawfully in the possession of a government agency will not be disseminated, without a warrant, to another government agency is an expectation that society is prepared to recognize as reasonable. In this connection, we believe that it is irrelevant that Jabara did not know that the NSA had intercepted his messages. To hold otherwise would in many instances require, for fourth amendment purposes, a succession of warrants as information, lawfully acquired, is passed from one agency to another.

We conclude, therefore, that Jabara's fourth amendment rights were not violated when the FBI obtained summaries of his overseas telegraphic communications from NSA and that the district court erred in granting summary judgment to Jabara and that, on the contrary, it should have granted summary judgment to defendants as to this claim.

There was a brief dissent ...

MERRITT, Circuit Judge, dissenting from the order of the Court denying a rehearing en banc.

I believe that Jabara's Fourth Amendment rights were probably violated when the FBI, without a warrant, requested and received summaries of Jabara's overseas messages. I am of the opinion that the issue is of sufficient importance to require a hearing by the full Court.


226 posted on 01/04/2006 9:34:43 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Badray
4] They SHALL NOT search without a warrant. They CANNOT issue a warrant without probable cause and an sworn affidavit declaring what is to be searched and why

That is an incorrect statement. UNREASONABLE searches and seizures are prohibited. That implies directly and logically that REASONABLE searches are permissible.

Warrants have never (that I know of) been a requirement for every search. Customs searches fit that situation.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The idea that you could be searched without a warrant when it is 'reasonable' is just not true.

Obviously I have to disagree and I think that even current practice shows your statement to be incorrect.

227 posted on 01/04/2006 10:03:01 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: saganite
Sheesh. Looks like I got it backwards but as I understand it now the case finally said nothing about 4th amendment rights as the appeals court said he failed to assert them. Cosequently this case says nothing about the current debate. Is that right?

The fact pattern admits obfuscation, since more than one government agency is involved. I'll try to make a short version with regard to the "warrantless wiretapping" charge. The lower court held that the government action violated Jabara's fourth amendment rights because the FBI selection of NSA intercepts ("give us all your Jabara stuff") targeted Jabara, was not accompanied by a warrant, and Jabara did not fit the "foreign agent" definition.

The Circuit Court of appeals construed the lower court decision in a specific way, "that Jabara's fourth amendment rights were violated when the FBI, without a warrant, obtained the summaries of his overseas telegraphic communications." The Circuit Court focused on the passing of information from the NSA to the FBI, and blew off any questions about the obtaining or "filtering" of NSA-held data. Intellectually, that's pretty cheezy. At any rate, the Circuit Court said the NSA surveillance was lawfully received because Jabara didn't assert otherwise; and information in the lawful possession of the NSA can be passed to the FBI without a warrant.

I think the fact pattern is pretty square with the fact pattern at hand in the current NSA debate; but if you take the Circuit Court case on it's face, it doesn't probe the questions of obtaining, filtering or forwarding NSA-held data. In that sense, I think it isn't helpful. As a matter of intellectual pursuit, the two cases together are darn good.

Eventually, what one who studies this stuff realizes, is that nearly ALL appellate cases are outcome driven. The fact that this Circuit Court decision is (IMO) logically weak does not mean that its outcome would not be upheld under a Supreme Court review. Right now, this case is the law of the Circuit.

228 posted on 01/04/2006 10:10:15 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: airedale

Excellent point.


229 posted on 01/04/2006 11:26:27 AM PST by amutr22 (....not ANOTHER clinton!)
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To: Eagle Eye
UNREASONABLE searches and seizures are prohibited.

You've got this part exactly right.

That implies directly and logically that REASONABLE searches are permissible.

And here, you are so close to having it right. You just didn't take it far enough.

Unreasonable searches cannot be done under any circumstances. Reasonable ones require a warrant AND a basis for the search. It's not a fishing expedition.

"... and no warrant shall issue but upon on probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, ..."

There will always be those who argue the 'necessity' do to more than is allowed. But these searches are a relatively new thing. One thing or another has always caused concern for safety, but only recently -- in our lifetimes -- have we succumbed to the siren call of safety over liberty.

230 posted on 01/04/2006 12:10:50 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: MEGoody
So are you saying you see no difference in what Nixon did versus what this administration has done?

No, I'm saying that the power to use the TLAs outside of constitutional protections (whether legal or not) has resulted in its abuse. Anyone who thinks abuse will not occur again is naive.

I noticed you ignored the other events, which resulted in investigations and laws to try to stop them. The NSA operations were cancelled as soon as Congress started looking into them. COINTELPRO resulted in major hearings and findings of abuse, and laws to stop arbitrary spying on Americans.

231 posted on 01/04/2006 12:12:55 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: SBD1
Congress and the Looney Left can pass any laws they want, but none of them will change the President’s powers given to him by the Constitution.

yes,

isn't it true that the supreme court also has held, for over 30 years, that killing unborn babies is ok?

232 posted on 01/04/2006 12:17:26 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: Badray

This is beyond silly.


233 posted on 01/04/2006 12:28:19 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I noticed you ignored the other events, which resulted in investigations and laws to try to stop them.

Perhaps, but I was most interested in what you said about articles of impeachment.

234 posted on 01/04/2006 12:44:44 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Just mythoughts

ping


235 posted on 01/04/2006 1:11:17 PM PST by Unkosified (Patiently waiting for Ted Kennedy's manslaughter trial for 36 years now.)
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To: Badray
If a search is "reasonable" then a probable cause is already implied.

HOWEVER, a warrant is NOT required for all reasonable searches.

There is no language that says directly or even implies that a warrant is required.

It simply states thatno warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Again, there is NOTHING that says there has to be a warrant for a reasonable search.

If you still disagree, please provide the quote for me.

Do Customs agents need warrants to search luggage? (Yes, I know, there is a facade of consent, but that consent is coerced.)

Do arresting police officers need warrants to search suspects or those being arrested? (No consent by the arrested party requried. No warrant, either.)

No, since those are 'reasonable' searches.

I believe that the Founders did not want to see random personal or home searches just for fishing purposes. Those are unreasonable.

But when there is 'reasonable' suspicion of wrongdoing on the spot, warrants were not and are not absolutely required.

When a warrant is requested, it has certain criteria that must be met.

I think we need to stick with what the Constitution says, not what we wish it says.

236 posted on 01/04/2006 1:23:29 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Cboldt

Thanks. I appreciate your efforts to enlighten us.


237 posted on 01/04/2006 8:21:36 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite
Thanks. I appreciate your efforts to enlighten us.

Too much verbiage, so I've been criticized. Anyhow, I was curious about the Halkin case because the appellate court in Jabara uses Halkin to plant the (false) idea that if the government stonewalls the fact of NSA surveillance, the plaintiff has no case. Here is a piece of the Jabara appellate case (context in post above) ...

The district court, in determining that Jabara's fourth amendment rights were violated when the FBI, without a warrant, obtained the summaries of his overseas telegraphic communications, distinguished the holding of the District of Columbia Circuit in Halkin v. Helms, 598 F.2d 1 (1978). There the court held (see note 5 herein at page 275) that application of the state secret privilege required dismissal of plaintiffs' claims based on alleged interception by the NSA of their overseas communications because the fact of interception need not be and was not divulged. ...

[Note] 5 This was so held in Halkin, supra; indeed in Halkin, it was held that, pursuant to the state secret privilege, the government did not even have to divulge to plaintiffs whether the NSA had intercepted their overseas communications. Here, as previously indicated, the government has divulged in the open record that NSA did intercept and later turn over to the FBI Jabara's communications.

I thought a rule where the government could absolutely shut off claims of civil rights violation by the simple device of saying "it's an NSA matter and therefore state secret," seemed harsh. Here is what the court said in Halkin ...

On a prior appeal, Halkin v. Helms (Halkin I ), 598 F.2d 1 (D.C.Cir.1978), [n 25] this court upheld a claim of the state secrets privilege by the Secretary of Defense and held that NSA was not required to disclose in discovery whether it had intercepted any of plaintiffs' communications. As a result of that ruling, plaintiffs' claims against the NSA and several individual officials connected with that agency's monitoring activities could not be proved, and the complaint as to those defendants was dismissed. Plaintiffs were left, however, with their claim that notwithstanding the practical bar to suit against NSA worked by the state secrets privilege, the CIA and the individuals responsible for submitting the watchlists to NSA could be held liable based on a presumption that the submission of a name resulted in interception of the named person's communications.

n 25. A related case in this court, In re Halkin, 598 F.2d 176 (D.C.Cir.1979), was an action seeking a writ of mandamus to vacate a trial court order prohibiting out-of-court statements by the parties on information produced in the course of discovery.

Halkin v. Helms, 690 F.2d 977 (D.C. Cir. 1982)

Whoa! What the court is saying to the government is "you don't have to admit the NSA was involved, but if you take that approach, your adversary obtains a presumption that his communications were intercepted, and the case moves forward against the agency that requested interception of communication."

Yup. The appeals court in Jabara was definitely using intellectual hocus pocus.

238 posted on 01/04/2006 9:07:46 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Unkosified
Thank you for the ping. Yesterday a homicide bomber killed 30+ people attending a funeral, I fully support what is required to stop that evil from ever taking place upon the soil of this nation.

Those fearing what a Hillry type would do with power, ha, anybody heard of Able Danger, FBI files, that super-secret Barrett report. Hillry types have superior "god" complexes and they rule supreme.
239 posted on 01/05/2006 2:22:34 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Prodigal Son
I guarantee that if this were Al Gore doing this right now, you would find narry a Freeper to go along with it and that they do it now just to support this President is a bit sickening in my opinion.

False premise, because a President Gore wouldn't take such a measure to fight a War on Terror.

240 posted on 01/05/2006 2:30:42 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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