The Messiah Dajjal Has Secretly Started Work

HarunYahya.com ^ | Jan., 2006 | Harun Yahya

[dljordan]

"Does it really take that many words to remind us that Moos suck?"

A thousands curses upon you infidel devil. You were born of a camel.

[L,TOWM]

I, for one, appreciate this post. There are some ways that the WOT can possibly play out:

1) We kill Muslims that buy into the "external jihad" in perpetuity, eventually becomng too similar to the most repressive governments you would like to name, while having generations of young men and women have "raghead capping" as a rite of passage. Not good.

2) We kill Mulsims by the hundreds of millions, going so far as turning most of the world between the west African coast and southern Phillipines Islands into smoking, radioactive glass and having death camps for the remainder of muslims living elsewhere. I really don't want my children or grandchildren living in a country where genocide is a national policy.

3) An alternative social system for the muslims. One element involves Islam has is own reformation, with the jihadis and islamofascists marginalized. It will also require changes within the muslim world in terms of education, empowering women, political and economic systems. Young muslim men need a future. People with a future don't blow themselves up, unless their deepest held beliefs tell them that is the greatest aspiration they have. Let them fight for their own future (like in Iraq) and relegate the "72 Virgin" crowd to the freakshow tent within the muslim world.

I would like to see our country assist the liberal muslims reform their theology from within, rather than needing to resort to a perpetual war or mass murder on a scale that would make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao look like clumsy amateurs.

Do take note, though -- Any of the alternatives listed above are prefferable to the French option - Surrender or defeat. I'll take ANY off of that list before accepting dhimmitude.

[Teletubbed]

DOES ANYONE OWE EBOOKS BY THAT RETARD (Harun Yahya)?

Besides a collection of useful documentaries (by Dennis Prager, Pierre Rehov, David Aaaronovitch etc.) I am making a collection of anti-Zionist "average-Ali" knowledge by downloading "documentaries" and ebooks by Harun Yahya in order to give all this stuff to a Berlin school.

But I am still missing one of Harun Yahya's works about Holocaust denial, called "Holocaust Violence".

All the links I searched are dead (I tried also Google's cache and archive.org aka waybackmachine).

So, if anyone should owe the ebook "Holocaust Violence", please send it to:

www.mediafront.blogspot.com@gmail.com

You can also send entire movies similar to those by Dennis Prager, Pierre Rehov, David Aaaronovitch, etc.

Thanks



Image taken from
http://www.harunyahya.net/V2/Lang/tr/Pg/WorkDetail/Number/250

[antisocial]

"1. Jerusalem will return again to Jewish hands shortly before the Second Coming (Luke 21:24):"

Luke 21:24 in my bible says:They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.Jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

How does that indicate a return to Jewish hands?

[Teletubbed]

Omph: "owe" should be "own"

[AdmSmith]

It is important to point out that the belief that the Dajjal will appear on earth shortly before Judgment Day is part of Islamic dogma. Every faithful Muslim must believe it in some interpretation.
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Simply laughing at Muslim end-time beliefs may be okay for an individual American, but would truly be a mistake for American foreign policy.

I agree, and since there are always mentally disturbed persons in all societies, we will have a problem if such person has wealth or power and is charismatic, or is a psychopath. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p960239.html The followers of such persons are often personally weak, authoritarian, has had personal losses, or are mentally disturbed. If such cult has a religious origin with an expected "chosen one" in their common belief, as is the case for Islam, we will always have problem.

We just have to hope that the most common brands of Islam will denounce this kind of thinking in a reformation of Islam. But, I do not really have hope for the Wahhabis in Saudi and the Deobandis in some parts of Pakistan to change. This implies that we have to prevent them from financing Muslim groups around the Globe.

It is not easy for a non-Muslim to discriminate between the common End Times beliefs and a malign version:

According to a report prepared by the Punjab Police Department and quoted in The News, as many as 200,246 students are enrolled in seminaries representing the Deoband school of thought, while 199,733 students are associated with seminaries belonging to the Barelvi school of thought in the Punjab province. While 34,253 students are affiliated with the seminaries representing the Ahl-e-Hadith school of thought, 7,333 students are getting education from the seminaries of Ahl-e-Tashi school of thought. The classified report showing the situation till September 2005 states that a total of 441,565 students are getting education in Madrassas (seminaries) across the Punjab province. Jang, January 2, 2006.

Question: Find the terrorists among these 441,565!

[XR7]

There is not enough hookah and ganja in the world to get me to plow through all that gibberish.

LOL!
and, Amen.

[Cindy]

Thank you L,TOWM for your feedback.

[nuconvert]

"hardly any attention has been paid to how these Muslim End-Time belief systems intersect with Islamic terrorism -- and zero attention from any government or major media, at least in public."


It's important to differentiate between the extremists in "end time belief" and everybody else.

I think (hope) people are starting to catch on to this, with the crazy talk coming from Ahmadinejad.

Thanks for your post

[Dajjal]

Sorry, can't help you. I've only got a couple of his "End Time" books. I'll keep an eye peeled for that one, and if I find one, I'll let you know.

[Dajjal]

Fine, but how is this "News2?

My reasoning is this: I'm not doing this as a "comparative religion" exercise. ("Oooh. Let's compare Muslim prophecies and Aztec prophecies to the prophecies in New Testament.") My take is strictly how these beliefs impinge on the War on Islamic Terrorism and foreign policy.

This essay may technically not be "newsy" in itself, but it's definitely "news" to the Average-American-On-The-Street that there _are_ Muslim End-Time beliefs and that they are are a factor in this fight.

I think every "Average American" knows the word Jihad now and maybe half know the word Shar'ia. When the words Dajjal, Qiyamah and Mahdi are common knowledge, I will get off my soapbox.

[Dajjal]

3) An alternative social system for the muslims. One element involves Islam has is own reformation, with the jihadis and islamofascists marginalized. It will also require changes within the muslim world in terms of education, empowering women, political and economic systems. Young muslim men need a future. People with a future don't blow themselves up, unless their deepest held beliefs tell them that is the greatest aspiration they have. Let them fight for their own future (like in Iraq) and relegate the "72 Virgin" crowd to the freakshow tent within the muslim world.

I agree. Many Americans may read Hal Lindsay or "Left Behind" books and it doesn't affect their day-to-day lives. But Muslims are being bombarded with propaganda that these are the Last Days, that there is No Future, and to poor people living in economically depressed systems with repressive social structures, this is having an awful impact.

And I do mean bombarded. Try this for a pull quote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1407366/posts
"The Muslim media from Egypt to Pakistan consistently paint al-Qaeda, the US-led 'war on terror', the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and events such as those in Uzbekistan in the perspective of the 'End of Time' and Har Megiddo."

These people need to believe in a future. They need an education that gives them something to live for (especially the women). And they need political democracy so they feel they have some say in their nation's future.

If there's no future, why not join the Mahdi's army, strap on a dynamite belt and walk up to the nearest Alliance soldiers?

[Smokin' Joe]

Smells of multiculturalist gibberish. One doesn't need to understand the 'why' behind the acts of terrorists. Their deaths are deterrents.

Yes, and no. Killing terrorists is like stomping out brushfires. Prevention is better, if that can be achieved.

Understanding how your enemy thinks (no matter how strange or alien that thinking is) can be a definite leg up in any conflict.

Hell, just more folks understanding how our allies thought in Vietnam might have helped smooth the way.

[Smokin' Joe]

If I am correct, the Dajjal is the Muslim equivalent of the AntiChrist. Certainly, descriptions of widespread deceit, persecution of the faithful, calling down signs from the heavens, even, parallel the description of the Antichrist in the Gospels.

A question.

If the Dajjal is the deceiver, the servant of evil, why have you chosen that for your screen name? Is this peace filled post more deceit?

Whom do you serve?

[Dajjal]

A question.
If the Dajjal is the deceiver, the servant of evil, why have you chosen that for your screen name? Is this peace filled post more deceit?
Whom do you serve?

LOL! Actually, that's a very good question. Please check out my FR homepage and decide for yourself.

My own primary motive in choosing this Freepname is just simply to educate Americans and our allies in the word "Dajjal" itself. If and when the word becomes better known, I will be happy to change it to "We-are-not-the-Dajjal" or something like that. But such a name would make no sense unless someone knows what "Dajjal" means, first.

Also, I would disagree with Dajjal being translated as "AntiChrist" or being called the "Muslim version of the AntiChrist." Thinking like that would lead the average Christian to presume that he understands the concept.

But the Muslim prophecies (and how they are sometimes being interpretted) are more intricate than that. For instance, Mohammed prophesied that the Dajjal would touch the clouds and raise the dead. Many imams are saying that the Western invention of the airplane and discovery of penecillin are "proofs" that the Dajjal is a metaphor for Western Civilization.

Most American readers of the Book of Revelation don't get that sort of image when they think of the AntiChrist. Hence, I prefer to leave it in the Arabic, as "Dajjal."

[papertyger]

I always figured your name was like Screwtape referring to "the enemy."

:o)

[Dajjal]

I have seen on the other thread that the moderators have lifted their suspension on Islamic Dragger, the newbie who originally posted the Harun Yahya essay. He seems to be just a Muslim college student who thinks that we get a lot of things wrong about Islam, and that Free Republic would benefit from hearing things from a Muslim perspective. I have freepmailed him an invitation to this thread, for a civil discussion of the essay. Should he come, I hope he will be treated with respect, even when we may disagree with him. And I trust the moderators will maintain order, should anyone get out of hand.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Dajjal]

LOL! There's definitely a streak of punk-ish attitude involved. Something like "So you think that because I'm an American, I'M this Dajjal guy??? Me??? LOL! Get a life!!!"

[Smokin' Joe]

Understood that there are differences, but another parallel, the ANtichrist is supposed to perform miracles, too, including appearing to raise people from the dead. I'll check your homepage.

[fragrant abuse]

If you'd bothered to read the article you would have seen that the author condemns terrorists.