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Civil war erupts over Confederate handbags
DFW ^ | January 6, 2006 | JIM DOUGLAS

Posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner

BURLESON — Two North Texas high school students who were kicked out of class for displaying rebel flags vow to take their fight to court. They said they are proud of their heritage, but Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive.

Ashley Thomas remembered how it all started. "Principal comes up and says, 'You've got to get rid of your purse... it's racist."

Ashley and Aubrie McAllum both received purses patterened after the Confederate battle flag from their parents for Christmas. Both girls decided to take their presents to school.

"I don't have 'KKK' written on me or anything; it's just a purse," Aubrie said. "Doesn't have anything to do with what color you are."

The students were asked to leave their purses with the principal; they elected to leave school after calling their parents.

Ashley was sent home three times this week. "I'm at the point where I really don't know what to do," she said. "I want to keep going to school and get my education, but this is my life. I was born and raised in the South. Why is the flag so bad?"

Here's the answer, from Burleson ISD spokesman Richard Crummel: "It's a violation of the dress code," he said. "We don't want students to wear anything that might cause a disruption, and that symbol has done that in the past."

"Then that's a heritage violation on her, on me... on all of us," said Aubrie's father, Rick McAllum. "So we can push it."

McAllum belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Ashley's mom, Joni Thomas, is from New York. But the parents of both girls praised their daughters, and vowed to fight.

"I'm hiring a lawyer," Thomas said. "I'm going all the way with it, because I think it's wrong."

Burleson High School, with a 2,200 student enrollment, is about 90 percent white, 8 or 9 percent Hispanic. There are very few African Americans.

"We want to be sensitive to everyone; make it comfortable in school for all our students," Crummel said.

Both girls said they have never been in trouble and don't want trouble now.

But they don't want to back down, either.

School officials know controversy often follows the Confederate flag, and they will not let it in.

The girls as of Friday, decided to go back to school


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; handbags; heritage; heroines; history; ignorance; lawsuit; martyrs; tx; violation; wbts
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To: Blzbba

So, I can't interest you in a "General Sherman, I Came. I Saw. I Barbecued!" Apron?


101 posted on 01/06/2006 1:00:15 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

The only thing I'd be interested in is the location of his gravesite, as I wouldn't mind taking a dump on it.


102 posted on 01/06/2006 1:01:19 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: Blzbba

He's buried in St. Louis...


103 posted on 01/06/2006 1:03:55 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: rock_lobsta

The inaccurate terms civil war and war between the states mean the same thing, a war between two factions in the same country.
The south seceded and became a separate nation.


104 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:20 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: old republic
Abraham Lincoln also wanted to send the freed slaves back to Africa which is an interesting slant on the Great Emancipator.

Actually Lincoln looked at this as a possible solution to the cultural problems of trying to integrate free blacks into white society. Considering that a civil war was being fought with that as one of the major issues, one has to accept that this was definitely a problem. However Lincoln never advocated making such exportation mandatory and his thoughts on it were purely speculative.

105 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:25 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Froufrou

It was about states' rights more than about slavery. It worked out for the North, the states have fewer and fewer rights. It was never set up that way in the first place.


106 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:25 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: stainlessbanner

So,dress codes trumph the constitution?In that case i find the "sissy rainbow" and the "peace symbol" offensive!I think the failed public indoctrination centers(public schools)should be concerned about education rather than brainwashing!


107 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:42 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: durasell

"Meet me in Saint Louie, Louie..."


108 posted on 01/06/2006 1:04:43 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: stainlessbanner

"Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive."

How did the libs ever come to the conclusion that 'offensiveness' is the litmus test for free speech? Needless to say, this is another First Amendment case the ACLU won't be taking on.


109 posted on 01/06/2006 1:05:09 PM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: Froufrou
Lincoln didn't end slavery. He didn't even scratch the surface.

I imagine that a certain actor at Ford's Theatre had something to do with that.

110 posted on 01/06/2006 1:05:26 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey

The war was not about freeing blacks, was not about slavery at all. It was about Northern envy of the opulence, politeness and charm it saw in such Southern cities as New Orleans, Richmond, Savannah, Charleston and Mobile. It was a war of envy, a war to increase federal power (which had it's roots in Jacksonianism) and a war to protect northern industry at the expense of Southern industy.


111 posted on 01/06/2006 1:06:58 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Jaded
It was about states' rights more than about slavery.

States rights to do what? The major states rights issue was the issue of slavery - it wasn't parking tickets.

112 posted on 01/06/2006 1:07:02 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey

I imagine you'd be right. I was pretty disappointed a few weeks ago when I read that Lincoln's motives were more political than altruistic. Pity.


113 posted on 01/06/2006 1:07:43 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: AzaleaCity5691
The war was not about freeing blacks

Agreed.

was not about slavery at all.

Delusional.

114 posted on 01/06/2006 1:08:23 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: sticker

prefer it(except for the theatrics)but actually Jesse would have been a better show on just bikes(his special bike shows were good,I really liked his Mexico run with Kid Rock),instead he got the Monster garage deal...a show I skip past faster than anything. But Jesse's marriage to a porn star turned me off on him forever.


115 posted on 01/06/2006 1:08:41 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Jaded

Yeah, I'd say that's about right. That and the Morrill Tariff.


116 posted on 01/06/2006 1:09:28 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: stainlessbanner

War of Southern Independence BUMP.

Long live the South.


117 posted on 01/06/2006 1:09:29 PM PST by reelfoot
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To: rock_lobsta

;-)


118 posted on 01/06/2006 1:09:29 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Alouette

"Don't tell Abe Foxman, he'll have a heart attack."

good , lets tell him


119 posted on 01/06/2006 1:09:39 PM PST by avile
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To: Froufrou
The Real Lincoln is a biography of Abraham Lincoln written by Thomas DiLorenzo in 2002. The biography differs from traditional books about Lincoln in presenting a severely critical view of his presidency.

And no matter how many half-truths, distortions of stats, out of context quotations and moral equivocations it took, he achieved his goal. Coming next, The Real Winston Churchill, a biography by Joseph Goebbels IV.

120 posted on 01/06/2006 1:09:59 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: Blzbba

"When I wore my General Sherman "I'm Marching To the Beach" T-shirt. I got dirty looks down south

We're gettin' soft if that's all you got.Reckon we're not as friendly as we once were.Being these boys hunt ( in some form or fashion ) all year,could of invited you to go...Yall come back,,ya hear


121 posted on 01/06/2006 1:10:09 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: Froufrou
I imagine you'd be right. I was pretty disappointed a few weeks ago when I read that Lincoln's motives were more political than altruistic. Pity.

Lincoln was certainly a master politician and thus he never forgot the political angle to any particular problem he encountered. Having said that, there's no reason to believe he couldn't be both political and altruistic. I suggest you read a very fine volume, "Lincoln's Virtues", on the development of Lincoln's moral code and viewpoint prior to the Civil War.

122 posted on 01/06/2006 1:11:04 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Froufrou

You still don't get it? I don't think a freed slave would care why he was freed, just that he was. Aren't you proud that you now live in a country that practices what it preaches? Aren't you proud to live under an American flag with citizens that believe so much in freedom that we will fight and die to defend to it? Perceptions be damned that my friend is reality.


123 posted on 01/06/2006 1:11:32 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: stainlessbanner

I'll second that "Ping!"


124 posted on 01/06/2006 1:13:57 PM PST by varina davis
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To: PMCarey

It's not delusional at all. The War of Southern Independence was a war that was fought for reasons that stretched back to the nullification crisis of 1832, it stemmed directly from a chain of events that began with Calhoun's resignation. And the crisis of 1832 had nothing to do with slavery, it had everything to do with tariffs and it was what lit the spark.


125 posted on 01/06/2006 1:14:29 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: blaquebyrd
Try as you might you'll never make me, a true American patriot, believe that slavery is a virtuous, respectful, saintly business.

Now you know I didn't say that.....I'm definitely saying slavery is not right....but....slavery is used to support agendas in this country when is shouldn't be..slavery is wrong in every sense of the word...but quit using it as an excuse....hate to tell ya...but the average PA farmboy could have given two s*%ts about slavery...much less die for it in a war....and it has been 140 years....and the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery...sheesh...I do appreciate you serving our military for 20 years...if I may ask...what year did you retire?

126 posted on 01/06/2006 1:15:26 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: Redleg Duke
BTW, I'm a Yankee too.
127 posted on 01/06/2006 1:15:58 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: dinoparty
"However, you can't deny that the rebel flag has been taken over by some pretty creepy racist elements in the 20th century. Most people associate it with these elements, not with the civil war."

Yes, but is that a reason to ban it? We can find that just about everything is offensive to somebody.

Slavery also existed under the US Flag for far longer then it existed under the Confederate Flag. And lord knows, many Libs consider the US as a racist, repressive nation, here, and around the world. The American Flag is offensive to many leftists in this country. What about their feelings??

This is a case where spineless officials, empowered by a liberal media, allowed a few radical whiners to tell us how we should live. Political Correctness is not just out of control, it's getting worse.

As for me, my great grandfather was an abolitionist officer of a black regiment, who fought the Confederates at the Battle of Petersburg, the Battle of the Crater, and was killed at the Battle of Ft. Fisher. If any one should feel offended, it's me. But that symbol doesn't bother me in the slightest. This flag wasn't a problem until over 100 years after the fact. Some people are just too thin skinned and full of hate toward some other people honoring their heritage.


128 posted on 01/06/2006 1:17:17 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: jjmcgo
The south seceded and became a separate nation.

Not according to the Union.

129 posted on 01/06/2006 1:19:07 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Termite_Commander

In what school were the students allowed to wear a "F*$# BUSH" t-shirt? I find it hard to believe a school would allow this shirt to be worn.

Now I am looking for factual information, not heresy or your personal feelings, but a link or eye-witness account that will verify that a student was seen wearing this shirt and allowed to continue wearing it during school hours on school property.

Yeah, I'm tired of hyperbole.


130 posted on 01/06/2006 1:20:19 PM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: Blzbba

I am proud of my ancestor who was under General Sherman's command. I have a picture of the good general on my mantle. He's on his horse near Atlanta breastworks.


131 posted on 01/06/2006 1:20:27 PM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: pbrown
The war between the states.

The War Between the States was many things; civil was not one of them.
132 posted on 01/06/2006 1:20:36 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: stainlessbanner
This one's for you, Alouette

Look here first, help a FReeper

134 posted on 01/06/2006 1:21:37 PM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: tkathy
"The civil war is so yesterday. All the idiots who lost the dumbest war in history are DEAD!"

Where have you been? Wherever it was, you might want to go there -- you clearly have no idea what this thread is about.

The War of Northern Aggression was not lost and there was no official surrender by the CSA. Those "idiots" as you call them, happen to count dozens of my ancestors among their number, who served proudly.

You might want to update your American history education by non-revisionist teachers.

135 posted on 01/06/2006 1:21:44 PM PST by varina davis
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To: blaquebyrd

"Aren't you proud that you now live in a country that practices what it preaches? Aren't you proud to live under an American flag with citizens that believe so much in freedom that we will fight and die to defend to it? Perceptions be damned that my friend is reality."

Yes, my friend. I am proud. And I do 'get it.' Growing up in the 60's in Houston wasn't very nice, or equal; but it is now, and for that I am also proud.


136 posted on 01/06/2006 1:22:21 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Main Street

I never said it should be banned. I did imply, however, that blacks might have good reason to get a little agitated at the sight of a rebel flag, because of what it has stood for in this century.


137 posted on 01/06/2006 1:22:43 PM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: JamesP81
The War Between the States was many things; civil was not one of them.

I most certainly agree with that.

138 posted on 01/06/2006 1:22:43 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: silentreignofheros

"We're gettin' soft if that's all you got."


Response directed to wrong person, friend.


139 posted on 01/06/2006 1:22:44 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: Jaded
It was about states' rights more than about slavery.

It was about states' rights to perpetuate the system of slavery. Had the confederates taken a stand for the defense of states' rights on some other issue besides slavery, they may have had a defensible point. That they wished to exercise their "rights" to keep a class of people in bondage was a violation of the laws of nature, and of the intent of the founding charter of the nation.

More accurately, the war was about a group of states that didn't like the outcome of a constitutionally valid election, and they wanted to take their ball and go home. Petty, childish, and in the end, tragic.

140 posted on 01/06/2006 1:23:08 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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If the war was over slavery, why did thousands of Southerners fight barefooted, armed with squirrel rifles, in freezing weather so a few rich folks could keep their slaves? It was much more than slavery.


141 posted on 01/06/2006 1:23:27 PM PST by neal1960 (This space for rent.)
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To: VRWCmember
While they celebrate Cinco De mayo
142 posted on 01/06/2006 1:23:28 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: LexBaird

I wouldn't go so far as to say he achieved his goal; I haven't read the book and don't plan to. You?


143 posted on 01/06/2006 1:23:30 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: varina davis
The War of Northern Aggression was not lost and there was no official surrender by the CSA.

Were you typing this as you were hiding out in your bunker? Get a frickin' life.

144 posted on 01/06/2006 1:24:22 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Getsmart64; blaquebyrd
M'kay gotta jump in here.

Most people seem to have missed the point about spending 3K for a slave just to kill them.

My aunt's family were slave owners in Alabama during the Civil War. Had a town named after them and all that.

At the end of the war when the slaves were freed, the family moved to Texas. The slaves went with the family because they had nowhere else to go. They were given land by the family in Texas and still worked for them.

My aunt said that she had been told about it because as a young girl she always remembered an elderly black man being at all the gatherings. He treated her like his one of his grandkids. The comment was made once by him... "I have black children and white children, you one of my white ones". She said she never gave it much thought until later.

Then later, her mother explained the workings of it all. That this man had been born during the trek from Alabama to Texas. Since they owned the slaves they were responsible for them. Food, clothes, housing the works. When the slave was too old or unable to work the family had a moral obligation to care for them until their natural death.

This particular man in his later years didn't want to live with his children so he went to live with my aunt's relatives, his white children, as it were. Apparently my aunt's grandfather was something of a harda$$ and the son of the slave (who worked for him for a wage) was the buffer between the grandfather and his sons.

Hope that's not too confusing.

The other thing that people, particularly shrieking liberal people, tend to forget is that most people were too poor to own slaves. My aunt tells this MUCH better.
145 posted on 01/06/2006 1:24:47 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: blaquebyrd
"So you think the slaves would have rather continued to work for free vs earning a paycheck? You can't be that ignorant. Reasoning like that would make Saddam proud."

But I'm a slave half of every year, having to work for free for almost six months just to pay my taxes. Where's our abolitionists?? When will we be set free?
146 posted on 01/06/2006 1:25:30 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: Blzbba

There are no KFC's north of Dixie?


147 posted on 01/06/2006 1:25:38 PM PST by varina davis
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To: PMCarey

"I suggest you read a very fine volume, "Lincoln's Virtues", on the development of Lincoln's moral code and viewpoint prior to the Civil War."

I will do that, thank you. I really don't want to lose site of the Lincoln I grew up knowing.

The way things are in education, I just don't know where to cut the wheat from the chaff. I was in college before I found out the whole cherry tree thing with Washington was just 'propaganda.' LOL.


148 posted on 01/06/2006 1:25:44 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
Fly the stars and stripes high on Indian reservations and schools, whats a little genocide when it comes to old glory.
149 posted on 01/06/2006 1:25:54 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: stainlessbanner
No complaints from students, faculty, etc.

No, but it was probably spotted by the attorney for the school board, who then fired off a message to the principal PDQ.

150 posted on 01/06/2006 1:27:06 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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