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Civil war erupts over Confederate handbags
DFW ^ | January 6, 2006 | JIM DOUGLAS

Posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner

BURLESON — Two North Texas high school students who were kicked out of class for displaying rebel flags vow to take their fight to court. They said they are proud of their heritage, but Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive.

Ashley Thomas remembered how it all started. "Principal comes up and says, 'You've got to get rid of your purse... it's racist."

Ashley and Aubrie McAllum both received purses patterened after the Confederate battle flag from their parents for Christmas. Both girls decided to take their presents to school.

"I don't have 'KKK' written on me or anything; it's just a purse," Aubrie said. "Doesn't have anything to do with what color you are."

The students were asked to leave their purses with the principal; they elected to leave school after calling their parents.

Ashley was sent home three times this week. "I'm at the point where I really don't know what to do," she said. "I want to keep going to school and get my education, but this is my life. I was born and raised in the South. Why is the flag so bad?"

Here's the answer, from Burleson ISD spokesman Richard Crummel: "It's a violation of the dress code," he said. "We don't want students to wear anything that might cause a disruption, and that symbol has done that in the past."

"Then that's a heritage violation on her, on me... on all of us," said Aubrie's father, Rick McAllum. "So we can push it."

McAllum belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Ashley's mom, Joni Thomas, is from New York. But the parents of both girls praised their daughters, and vowed to fight.

"I'm hiring a lawyer," Thomas said. "I'm going all the way with it, because I think it's wrong."

Burleson High School, with a 2,200 student enrollment, is about 90 percent white, 8 or 9 percent Hispanic. There are very few African Americans.

"We want to be sensitive to everyone; make it comfortable in school for all our students," Crummel said.

Both girls said they have never been in trouble and don't want trouble now.

But they don't want to back down, either.

School officials know controversy often follows the Confederate flag, and they will not let it in.

The girls as of Friday, decided to go back to school


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; handbags; heritage; heroines; history; ignorance; lawsuit; martyrs; tx; violation; wbts
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To: TC Rider

We grew up calling it the war between the states. Others grew up calling it the civil war. And others still, grew up calling it the War of Northern Aggression. It all depends on how you grew up.


201 posted on 01/06/2006 1:55:45 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: LexBaird

"Let us say that his objectivity as a historian leaves much to be desired."

Thanks, that's good enough for me! I'll use the extra spare time reading something worthwhile, like Krauthammer or Sowell! Or Dave Barry!


202 posted on 01/06/2006 1:57:03 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: AzaleaCity5691
That's right, a flag that people's ancestors fought under, which they revere for that reason

Ok, so can you understand the anger of Blacks toward that flag your ancestors fought under? Had your ancestors won that war, the Blacks would have remained slaves. I realize the war wasn't about keeping slaves in bondage, but the fact remains, had your ancestors won the war the slaves would have remained slaves.

203 posted on 01/06/2006 1:58:08 PM PST by Casloy
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To: Diplomat

This why I'm glad that the all the public schools in this metropolitan area are on a school uniform code, same for the private schools. That way, one never worries about students wearing offensive T-shirts.

But seriously though, the Confederates were not traitors, they were fighting for their country just as the Yankees were fighting for theirs.


204 posted on 01/06/2006 1:58:25 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Main Street
Yes. It is true that Lincoln was a proponent of Abolitionism. He wanted the slaves to be free, but that doesn't mean that he approved of integration. For example, in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857. Lincoln explained that he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. He said:

There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

This quote of course should not be construed to mean that Abraham Lincoln hated blacks because that is not true. He had a lot of sympathy for them. He just doesn't seem to be a supporter of integration. The quotes are also revealing of what the people of the time thought about the issue.
205 posted on 01/06/2006 1:59:51 PM PST by old republic
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To: Casloy

The slaves probably would not have remained slaves, because in the Southern cities, agitation was growing due to immigrant laborers who resented the fact that they had to compete with slave labor for work. Political pressure from the cities (particularly the seaports) would have forced slavery to end by the 1870s, had the South won.


206 posted on 01/06/2006 2:00:10 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Political pressure from the cities (particularly the seaports) would have forced slavery to end by the 1870s, had the South won.

I have no doubt slavery would have ended eventually, but I seriously doubt it would have been a result of pressure from imigrants. Most likely by the 80's or 90's pressure would have come from foreign countries who consumed the South's cotton. The South learned a hard lesson when they discovered that Egypt easily picked up the slack for the world's loss of the South's cotton.

207 posted on 01/06/2006 2:04:33 PM PST by Casloy
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To: Froufrou
"There was also the fact that the North didn't have plantations, they had factories. And they wanted workers for those factories. All the better reason to free the slaves."

Below is a typical group photo of northern factory workers (Detroit, Michigan) ca. 1910. Do you see any blacks?? The reality is some black migration to the Northern factories did not occur until Ford offered $5 day, and then again, in a greater mass, when World War II drained the factories of able-bodied white men. None of which the Northern power during the Civil War could have foreseen.


208 posted on 01/06/2006 2:05:08 PM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: PMCarey
Show me a historical factual quote in which Lincoln states that he wants to outlaw slavery in the states. The most he wanted to do in 1860 was to limit its spread to the territories. He made a very fine legal case for his position in the 1860 speech at Cooper Union. But territories are not states and thus why should say, South Carolina, care whether or not there are slaveholders in the western territories if they were only concerned about state's rights?

Dude...YOU said the Southern States fought a war for slavery....back it up or shut up....sheesh...our Constitution was designed for States rights and the BoR for citizens rights....whatever right the States had was taken away with the Civil War....you can compare slavery then...to gay rights now....only a few select individuals care about it...but it will be imposed on all of us...

209 posted on 01/06/2006 2:06:52 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: stainlessbanner
Looks like this thread has been hijacked by the Lincolnites vs. the Southrons.

Still, I'd like to express my opinion, as a Northerner and descendant of members of the Grand Army of the Republic, that I'm disgusted by the war to stigmatize the Confederate cause as illegitimate and evil and to strip Southerners of their heritage and history. That's just wrong.

210 posted on 01/06/2006 2:07:35 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: neal1960
If the war was over slavery, why did thousands of Southerners fight barefooted, armed with squirrel rifles, in freezing weather so a few rich folks could keep their slaves?

The same reason that poor soldiers have been dying for rich people forever. Because their political leaders told them it was the right, Godly and patriotic thing to do. Because their economy depended on it, even if they didn't personally own slaves. Because they had already joined the army and invested too much blood and sacrifice to quit when it got terrible. Because they saw Northerners as invaders.

But, from Bloody Kansas to the Missouri Compromise to the 3/5ths provision of the Constitution itself, it is no use denying that slavery was the root cause of the North/South division. It was the underlying schism of the two cultures.

211 posted on 01/06/2006 2:09:04 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: jjmcgo
The inaccurate terms civil war and war between the states mean the same thing, a war between two factions in the same country. The south seceded and became a separate nation.

And that's why it's known down here as the "War of Yankee Agreession".

Yea I know about Fort Sumter. Where Lincoln to incite a hot headed idiot to shoot at the Union troops in the fort, rather than evacuating them from the new nation.

212 posted on 01/06/2006 2:09:34 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: VRWCmember

Are you referring to the same Richland Rebels who are now banned from displaying the Confederate flag and had 'Dixie' removed as their school song?


213 posted on 01/06/2006 2:09:52 PM PST by San Jacinto (Hearing something on the network news is reason enough to disbelieve it.)
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To: El Gato
War of Yankee Agreession Aggression.

Sorry about that.

214 posted on 01/06/2006 2:10:53 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: colorado tanker

My ancestors didnt get here till late 1800s early 1900s. As a thrid party observer to some of these threads it does seem to get a bit silly with all the ingrained bias and anger.

I agree with you...trying to remove someones heritage/history/culture is wrong. Its no wonder people are passionate about defending themselves.


215 posted on 01/06/2006 2:17:05 PM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: blaquebyrd
That's why they are burning in Hell now. Try as you might you'll never make me, a true American patriot, believe that slavery is a virtuous, respectful, saintly business. So please, continue to wave your Confederate flag and I'll wave mine, the American one.

I, too am a true American patriot. I fly the American flag.

I also fly the Stars and Bars. It represents, to me, the hardiness of the South and, frankly, this country wouldn't be half the nation it is without the contribution the South has made to it.

As has been mentioned before, just because some demagogues misuse the Bible doesn't mean we should throw it out. Same with the Stars and Bars. I will not surrender a symbol of southern heritage to a bunch of retards who run around in white sheets burning crosses thinking that that somehow honors God.
216 posted on 01/06/2006 2:17:14 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: SunnyUsa; pbrown
"War of Northern Agression"?

Whenever I hear that it always makes me laugh!

I hate to admit it, but the first place I can recall hearing it is on "The Beverly Hillbillies".

217 posted on 01/06/2006 2:18:46 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Are you saying then that this school is within its right and is doing the right thing by preventing these girls from bringing these pureses to school?


218 posted on 01/06/2006 2:19:22 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Redleg Duke
Let's not allow the race pimps, today's racists, turn our good natured ribbing into open warfare again!

Well said, sir! Well said.
219 posted on 01/06/2006 2:19:38 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: LexBaird

Rich people died in that war too, among them, a great man, one of the greatest who has ever walked this planet, of course, I'm referring to Stonewall, tragically struck down in battle by the misguided bullet of one of his own men.


220 posted on 01/06/2006 2:21:16 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: PMCarey
States rights to do what? The major states rights issue was the issue of slavery - it wasn't parking tickets.

It had a lot to do with protectionist tariffs the North was using. These tarriffs caused foreign countries to tarriff the *only* American export of the time which was agricultural products from the South.
221 posted on 01/06/2006 2:22:52 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: Diplomat

No I'm not, if the school does not have an official uniform code, they have no right to do anything. What the school did here was take an abritrary action with no policy in writing to back them up. The uniform policies the schools have here are different because they set in stone what's permissable and what's not, though on out-of-uniform days, Dixie Outfitter clothing is usually permitted, and alot of people around here still put the Battle Flag on their class rings.


222 posted on 01/06/2006 2:23:06 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: stainlessbanner; All
GOOD FOR the 2 Southern Belles!

after the SCV won the TN case on this VERY same issue, you'd think that school districts would "smarten up"!

obviously, the Burleson ISD didn't get the message & NOW they will PAY two young ladies for violating their civil rights.

serves them right, imVho.

free dixie,sw

223 posted on 01/06/2006 2:23:45 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
fyi, MANY TEJANOS (Latino Texans) BRAVELY served the TRUE CAUSE of dixie/TX LIBERTY.

MANY still do.

free dixie,sw

224 posted on 01/06/2006 2:25:52 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: old republic

The slavery issue was a good moral underpinning for the North. In addition the North knew that Southerners would have to bear the brunt of social adjustments.


225 posted on 01/06/2006 2:28:44 PM PST by seppel
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To: HOTTIEBOY
make that 99+% must be silent to avoid offending the <1% & i'll agree.

PLEASE note that NOBODY was offended enough to say anything. it was the UNelected school administrators that did this particular STUPIDITY!

free dixie,sw

226 posted on 01/06/2006 2:28:55 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: billbears
The real test is wether they would allow a Mexican, Arab, or African flag on a purse. If they would, then they are hypocrits, and violators of the first amendment. If all such symbols are banned, then they at least aren't hypocrits.


227 posted on 01/06/2006 2:29:32 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

I was under the impression that Jackson was an instructor at VMI or the Citadel or somesuch. He wasn't rich, or a member of the Plantation Class, IIRC.

And that's not to say some of the rich didn't fight for their cause. Nathan Bedford Forrest, for example, was a wealthy slave trader, who was destituted by the war after spending his fortune in support of the Confederacy.


228 posted on 01/06/2006 2:29:54 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: Personal Responsibility

If burning the American flag is protected speech, then what's wrong w/girls and their Confederate flag purses? There are times when it's better for "educators" to turn a blind eye to minor PC things and get on w/their primary job of TEACHING students. Frankly, I am offended that they'r not doing their primary job.


229 posted on 01/06/2006 2:30:11 PM PST by Carolinamom (If you pursue happiness, you'll never find it. ---C.P. Snow)
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To: Racehorse

Jews also fought for Apartheid, and against it.


230 posted on 01/06/2006 2:30:13 PM PST by seppel
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To: My2Cents
Were you typing this as you were hiding out in your bunker? Get a frickin' life.

While it doesn't have any real practical application today, he is, technically, correct. A peace treaty was never signed. A cease fire was signed at Appomatox whereby in return for a cessation of combat Lee's troops were allowed to return home, would not be prosecuted in a trial, and were allowed to keep one rifle and one horse.
231 posted on 01/06/2006 2:30:48 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: silentreignofheros
yep, and his name was BG STAND WATIE.

i am pleased & humbled to use a diminutive of his WAR-NAME!

free dixie,sw

232 posted on 01/06/2006 2:30:51 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: AzaleaCity5691; Froufrou

Should a T-shirt stating "If your great-grandfather was a Confederate, you're a descendant traitor." be banned from this school if the current dress-code doesn't specifically prevent it?


233 posted on 01/06/2006 2:31:24 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: stainlessbanner
rotflmRao!

free dixie,sw

234 posted on 01/06/2006 2:32:16 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Froufrou
Since the Confederacy was defeated, erase all reminder of it We don't have Hitler High, do we?

When you're in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

235 posted on 01/06/2006 2:33:11 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Diplomat

No, because if that occurs in a public school environment in the South, then likely, a few kids will meet up with that kid after school and.....

I'm not condoning violence, I'm just saying what would happen. That's why you'll never see anyone where something like that.


236 posted on 01/06/2006 2:38:05 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

So it's OK to offend a couple black kids, just don't offend the descendant of a single Confederate because that will likely end in an after school brawl. Not sure which group in this debate should be more offended by your position.

You do see the hypocrisy of your position I hope?


237 posted on 01/06/2006 2:42:52 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: JamesP81
These tarriffs caused foreign countries to tarriff the *only* American export of the time which was agricultural products from the South.

There were plenty of American exports of the time besides cotton and tobacco. Whale oil out of Nantucket and metal from Northern mines, for example. Also, Great Britain, where the great textile mill industry was at the time, had an interest in fostering cotton imports from her own colonial areas, like Egypt and India. You could as well say the tariffs aided American industry at the expense of Great Britain's.

The real question is why the South never tried to develop their own domestic textile industry. Or any other significant manufacturing, for that matter. One of the main reasons the South lost was the inability to manufacture the goods needed in the face of the blockade.

238 posted on 01/06/2006 2:44:20 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: Getsmart64
Dude...YOU said the Southern States fought a war for slavery....back it up or shut up

If I posted every slavery comment made by Southern leaders as the cause for secession, I would be still posting 25 years from now. So, I'll limit myself to the opening text of the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States.


Georgia: "The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery ..."

Mississippi: "In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery ..."

South Carolia: "The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States ..."


And so on. Geez for slavery not being an issue, those seceding states sure dwell on it a lot in the "declarations of independence". They talk about it a heck of a lot more than they talk about tariffs. I can't belive we're even arguing about this obvious fact.

239 posted on 01/06/2006 2:45:31 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: stainlessbanner

This yankee says, "You go girls!"


240 posted on 01/06/2006 2:45:55 PM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: silentreignofheros
So you think the slaves would have rather continued to work for free vs earning a paycheck.

A number of them may have seen their standard of living fall when they were free

Keep in mind that a slave was a capital asset, and as such slave owners tended to ensure they were fed well enough to stay healthy and productive. During slavery days, the dangerous and unhealthy jobs were done by Irish immigrants -- if one got killed or disabled, there was always a replacement available for hire

241 posted on 01/06/2006 2:47:15 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
I'm referring to Stonewall,

I agree.

Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson Bringing up the rear of the sculpted group is "Stonewall" Jackson, the hero of the Valley campaign who died as a result of accidental gunfire from his own troops after the Battle of Chancellorsville. Jackson, because of his great successes and subsequent death in the field, was probably the most admired and worshipped of the Confederate generals behind Robert E. Lee. His great successes in the Valley, Fredericksburg, and Second Mannassas in the face of what seemed to be insurmountable odds gave the general a reputation as a master strategist and motivator of men.

242 posted on 01/06/2006 2:48:35 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Diplomat

It's not OK to offend anyone, but for the most part, I think people overblow the significance of this. My son was one of those people who put a Naval Jack on his class ring, and most of the blacks he knew had no problem with it. In Mississippi, a majority of the black population voted to keep the old flag. Whether or not a flag is displayed has little or nothing to do with anything. And I'm not being hypocritical, you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying, as it's complex. But for some reason, I doubt that anyone wears a Confederate flag into a school where a lot of people would be offended, for the same reason as the anti-Southern example, schoolyard justice.

You have to understand, there is a balance to be maintained between being respectful to people, maintaining proper social mores' of conduct, and being able to express yourself however you see fit. It's a hard balance to strike and it's not always a clear line.


243 posted on 01/06/2006 2:49:03 PM PST by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: JamesP81
While it doesn't have any real practical application today, he is, technically, correct. A peace treaty was never signed.

Why would the Union sign a peace treaty with a rebellion? Peace treaties are only signed between sovereign parties; but the Union never recognized the confederacy as a sovereign nation.

244 posted on 01/06/2006 2:49:58 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Casloy
I have no doubt slavery would have ended eventually, but I seriously doubt it would have been a result of pressure from imigrants.

Slavery was only economicly viable when land is essentially free. A slave would only work as hard as he had to. A free man working his own land would be much more productive, and could bid a higher price for land

245 posted on 01/06/2006 2:52:09 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: LexBaird

"The real question is why the South never tried to develop their own domestic textile industry. Or any other significant manufacturing, for that matter. One of the main reasons the South lost was the inability to manufacture the goods needed in the face of the blockade."

Like weapons. I've wondered about the lack of factories, too. But the fact is that farms today are often even larger than plantations were. Where I live, the northside has higher taxes and more jobs because the southside has the better farmland. They complain that their side of town is underrated and gets less improvements.

Wouldn't cotton and tobacco be easier to load and haul via ship? Would they then be more frequent exports than whale oil and metal.


246 posted on 01/06/2006 2:53:14 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: LexBaird
The real question is why the South never tried to develop their own domestic textile industry. Or any other significant manufacturing, for that matter.

Would YOU want to be in a factory in Georgia in August without air conditioning?

247 posted on 01/06/2006 2:55:58 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
You have to understand, there is a balance to be maintained between being respectful to people, maintaining proper social mores' of conduct, and being able to express yourself however you see fit. It's a hard balance to strike and it's not always a clear line.

Which is exactly the reason this school did what it did. It doesn't want to have clothing problems interferring with the students education. This school decided the balance would be best served by banning the confederate flag. This way, when the time comes for them to ban my suggested t-shirt, or a black panther t-shirt, or a Bush = hitler t-shirt, the school will be doing what it was always trying to do, minimize student conflict.

I don't accept that this issue is complex. It's only complex to those who are absolutely unwilling to place themselves in another person's shoes.

248 posted on 01/06/2006 2:56:01 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: LexBaird; All
about 95% of the soldiers,sailors & marines who served the TRUE CAUSE of dixie LIBERTY had GROSS ASSETS of LESS than TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS ($25.00) in 1861.

ours was a PEASANT REVOLT against the OPPRESSION by the northern industrial/social/monied elites, led by a HANDFUL of professionals like LEE, STUART,JACKSON, et.al.

our "barefooted, hungry lads in tattered gray rags" had NOTHING in excess except VALOR & DEDICATION. in the end, those things were not enough to overcome the northern leviathan.

free dixie,sw

249 posted on 01/06/2006 2:57:02 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Diplomat
My great-granfather was a Confederate, thus I am a descendent an American traitor; no different than my hero John Kerry."

That was a different time. Most people did not consider themselves so much as U.S. Citizens as Citizens of their state. Both north and south. Although the north had far more recent immigrants (although there were Irish units on both sides, even at the same battle). The states did not just rebel and take up arms against the national government. They formally seceded first. After secession they were, at least in their own lights, no longer US citizens, and thus they could not be traitors. These secession were in every case formal acts of legitimately elected legislatures.

Lee, for example, was severely chided by many Texas officers, for not declaring for the Confederacy (Lee was then serving in San Antonio) until his home state of Virginia formally seceded from the Union. Lincoln had in the interim asked Lee to take command of Union forces. Lee put him off until the Virginia legislature could make it's decision. When the war was lost on Lee's front, and he surrendered to Grant at Appomattox, he was not clapped in irons, but was allowed to go, and to keep his horse. Of course by then his home lands had been taken by the union forces. Today his place, actually it was from his wife's family, is known as Arlington National Cemetery.

250 posted on 01/06/2006 2:57:23 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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