Skip to comments.Civil war erupts over Confederate handbags
Posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner
BURLESON Two North Texas high school students who were kicked out of class for displaying rebel flags vow to take their fight to court. They said they are proud of their heritage, but Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive.
Ashley Thomas remembered how it all started. "Principal comes up and says, 'You've got to get rid of your purse... it's racist."
Ashley and Aubrie McAllum both received purses patterened after the Confederate battle flag from their parents for Christmas. Both girls decided to take their presents to school.
"I don't have 'KKK' written on me or anything; it's just a purse," Aubrie said. "Doesn't have anything to do with what color you are."
The students were asked to leave their purses with the principal; they elected to leave school after calling their parents.
Ashley was sent home three times this week. "I'm at the point where I really don't know what to do," she said. "I want to keep going to school and get my education, but this is my life. I was born and raised in the South. Why is the flag so bad?"
Here's the answer, from Burleson ISD spokesman Richard Crummel: "It's a violation of the dress code," he said. "We don't want students to wear anything that might cause a disruption, and that symbol has done that in the past."
"Then that's a heritage violation on her, on me... on all of us," said Aubrie's father, Rick McAllum. "So we can push it."
McAllum belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Ashley's mom, Joni Thomas, is from New York. But the parents of both girls praised their daughters, and vowed to fight.
"I'm hiring a lawyer," Thomas said. "I'm going all the way with it, because I think it's wrong."
Burleson High School, with a 2,200 student enrollment, is about 90 percent white, 8 or 9 percent Hispanic. There are very few African Americans.
"We want to be sensitive to everyone; make it comfortable in school for all our students," Crummel said.
Both girls said they have never been in trouble and don't want trouble now.
But they don't want to back down, either.
School officials know controversy often follows the Confederate flag, and they will not let it in.
The girls as of Friday, decided to go back to school
No, I'm saying it not a Good Idea, to compare Robert E. Lee to Adolph Hitler.
This just wasn't true, although it was somewhat more true of the South than the North. Yes units were raised in the various states, and often officered by men from the those states. But in the Union army at least, they were completely integrated. Supply, chain of command, everything. Except at first perhaps, since at that point the units were indeed state militia units, and the Union Army was just not prepared to properly integrate them.
Much the same was true in the South, although it lasted longer, and logistics wise, the Confederate Army never did get completely integrated.
Not being prepared for any war, let alone the next one, is an old American tradition, not fully broken until about 1990, and it will return, probably sooner rather than later. It's demise started with having no choice but to be prepared, at least for the SIOP war. (AKA Globabl Thermonuclear War..toe to toe with the Ruskis)
What a ridiculous statement. You are one of the reasons I ever deign to join these discussions. You infer that my ancestor was a traitor. He was never thought of that way immediately after the war nor in the intervening years until revisionists like you suddenly come along. If these men were traitors why are there Federal military installations named after them? Naval ships?
A banner that was accepted for 140 years as a symbol of a struggle for state's rights-not only here but internationally as well- which flies over the graves of thousands of brave men, is now compared to a t-shirt calling one's ancestor a traitor.
You are so far in left field that you're under the bleachers. sheesh.
Says who? Lincoln?
But as long as we are talking legalities, what of the secession of West Virgina from Virgina? The Constitution says no state shall be formed from the territory of an existing state, without the permission of its legislature. Now you would have it that Virginia and the other states of the Confederacy never legally seceded, Lincoln said there was no way they could do so. But it can't be both ways, if the states never seceded, then Virginia was a state, and West Virginia should have been restored to it after the war. And if the states never seceded, why did they have to petition for readmission to the Union? That process was strung out over several years, July of 1866 to July of 1870.
The Union, and particularly those who took over after the assassination of Lincoln, had it both ways. The states were considered to have no longer been in the Union when that was convenient, and their citizens to have been citizens of the US, and thus traitors and rebels, when that was convenient.
I would point out that the greatest "traitors" of all, at least in some peoples eyes, The President of the Confederacy, the members of it's Legislature, and it's senior military officers, were never even formally accused of treason, let alone convicted of it. In fact no one was. Only the commander of the Andersonville prison was charged with "war crimes". The Constitution of the United States was amended to prevent them, the former Confederates, from taking part in government ever again, but many of them did, with permission as provided for in the 14th amendment. That includes participation in the Spanish American War.
This country today would be screwed if the South wasn't still a part of us. This is why I'm most glad they lost.
Yes in the long run it was a Good Thing. But even better would have been for the North not to have forced the issue and let slavery die the natural death it was already headed for. And for the Federal Government to have stayed within the bounds set by the Constitution. There could have been many Constitutional, and peaceful, ways to eliminate slavery, if that were what President Lincoln was really about.
Awwwwwwww. Poor little you gets offended because someone HYPOTHISISES a situation where a student comes to the same school mentioned in this article with a shirt accusing Confederates of being traitors.
If you had an ounce intellectual honesty, you'd be able to comprehend that this is EXACTLY analagous to a black parent/student seeing the Confederate flag and viewing it entirely as a symbol of slavery and oppression.
Given your reaction, I'm betting you're incapable of making this comparison.
However, you should be able to conclude that other people are just as incapable of viewing the Confederate flag as a 140 year old symbol of the struggle for States rights.
You raise an excellant point. I have always wondered how the cessation of W. virginia was legal.
Thanks for the pings
You can kiss this descendent of traitor's ass, buttwipe.
Essentially, the rump delegation of representatives from Virginia that remained loyal to the Union were recognized as her legitimate congressmen. As they were from the NE area of Virginia, they issued the permission required by the Constitution, and since they were the only VA reps in congress, they got their way.
You could actually try reading and understanding my ENTIRE posts before you resort to name calling.
South bashers don't deserve nuance.
As a white guy I'm offended by X, nearly all Rap, almost all black leaders since Booker T except Clarence Thomas and a few pundits
....but that doesn't stop black kids or wannabes from wearing that crap or listening to it or questionable black leaders being lionized and I just have to deal with that
same as they OUGHT to have to....contrary to conventional wisdom, they aren't special
In what way were the rights of Georgia encroached upon? Had the Federal government attempted to outlaw slavery? No. Indeed, Lincoln promised not to do anything about slavery in the states in which it resided. And of course, Lincoln had not even taken office when that Georgian declaration was written and the previous administrations were all hospital to the institution of slavery. Douglas's popular sovereignty was an attempt to allow slavery's spread.
The problem really came down to this: Lincoln and many in the North wanted the expansion of slavery halted with the hopes that with its containment it would eventually wither on the vine. The South wanted to see slavery expanded into the territories in the belief that that would strengthen their political power and safeguard slavery in perpetuity.
Let me say one thing more. The true test of Democracy is how people respond when they lose an election. Do they react with respect and acceptance towards the democratic institutions or do they react in anger and bullets? Lincoln was elected fairly and constitutionally. The South did not wait to see what Lincoln would actually do as President; instead they declared themselves independent. Why? The bottom line is they seceded because they lost an election.
So much for their high ideals.
So did Robert Lee, John Breckenridge, James Monroe, etc., etc.
"Considering the relation of master and slave, controlled by humane laws and influenced by Christianity and an enlightened public sentiment, as the best that can exist between the white and black races while intermingled as at present in this country, I would deprecate any sudden disturbance of that relation unless it be necessary to avert a greater calamity to both." -- Robert Lee, January 1865.
And Lee was?
"We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Law in nature tells us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude. Freedom only injures the slave. The innate stamp of inferiority is beyond the reach of change. You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables him to be." -- Jefferson Davis, March 1861
I guess not.
If the results weren't so tragic for so many people on both sides of the conflict, the arrogant, ignorant pretensions of the Confederate secessionists would be worth a lot of laughs. What a pitiful and inept gang and like you say, history provides few examples of such shortsighted petulant childishness.
In light of this "issue," it would have been interesting if they were the Redskins, or Indians, or some other non-pc group.
Yes, R.E. Lee was a hero. Do you suggest otherwise?