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Civil war erupts over Confederate handbags
DFW ^ | January 6, 2006 | JIM DOUGLAS

Posted on 01/06/2006 12:05:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner

BURLESON — Two North Texas high school students who were kicked out of class for displaying rebel flags vow to take their fight to court. They said they are proud of their heritage, but Burleson High School education officials maintain the Confederate symbol is offensive.

Ashley Thomas remembered how it all started. "Principal comes up and says, 'You've got to get rid of your purse... it's racist."

Ashley and Aubrie McAllum both received purses patterened after the Confederate battle flag from their parents for Christmas. Both girls decided to take their presents to school.

"I don't have 'KKK' written on me or anything; it's just a purse," Aubrie said. "Doesn't have anything to do with what color you are."

The students were asked to leave their purses with the principal; they elected to leave school after calling their parents.

Ashley was sent home three times this week. "I'm at the point where I really don't know what to do," she said. "I want to keep going to school and get my education, but this is my life. I was born and raised in the South. Why is the flag so bad?"

Here's the answer, from Burleson ISD spokesman Richard Crummel: "It's a violation of the dress code," he said. "We don't want students to wear anything that might cause a disruption, and that symbol has done that in the past."

"Then that's a heritage violation on her, on me... on all of us," said Aubrie's father, Rick McAllum. "So we can push it."

McAllum belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Ashley's mom, Joni Thomas, is from New York. But the parents of both girls praised their daughters, and vowed to fight.

"I'm hiring a lawyer," Thomas said. "I'm going all the way with it, because I think it's wrong."

Burleson High School, with a 2,200 student enrollment, is about 90 percent white, 8 or 9 percent Hispanic. There are very few African Americans.

"We want to be sensitive to everyone; make it comfortable in school for all our students," Crummel said.

Both girls said they have never been in trouble and don't want trouble now.

But they don't want to back down, either.

School officials know controversy often follows the Confederate flag, and they will not let it in.

The girls as of Friday, decided to go back to school


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; handbags; heritage; heroines; history; ignorance; lawsuit; martyrs; tx; violation; wbts
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To: AzaleaCity5691

It was a joke. No such t-shirt exists, as far as I know.

But in the immortal words of the J. Geils Band -- First I look at the purse.


51 posted on 01/06/2006 12:32:32 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I wonder if the ACLU will take this case up.


52 posted on 01/06/2006 12:34:04 PM PST by John D
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To: Froufrou

Lee was a great general, a man of integrity, and man of character, a devote Christian, beloved by those who served under him, and the most one can say about his "political" leanings, he was a loyal Virginian. Frankly, I consider Lee to be a great American, period.


53 posted on 01/06/2006 12:34:25 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Froufrou

Cultural Marxism.

It must become forbidden to acknowledge the reality of our history. People must be forced to live a lie, and since people are naturally reluctant to live a lie, they naturally use their ears and eyes to look out and say, "Wait a minute. This isn’t true. I can see it isn’t true," the power of the state must be put behind the demand to live a lie. That is why ideology invariably creates a totalitarian state.

Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups.

Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.

Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies don’t get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism.

The Origins of Political Correctness


54 posted on 01/06/2006 12:34:46 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: AzaleaCity5691; silentreignofheros; stand watie

Watie turned up on a FR after the "recent unpleasantries"


55 posted on 01/06/2006 12:35:49 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Frankly, in 2006, those who sport the Confederate flag on their vehicles or clothing are usually greater Americans than those who take offense at such symbolism.


56 posted on 01/06/2006 12:36:05 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Minnesoootan

You must be an OCC fan


57 posted on 01/06/2006 12:36:15 PM PST by sticker
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To: Froufrou
"Plenty of former slaves had no interest in the 'freedom' Lincoln offered."

They all had an interest in freedom regardless of who offered it. Just as President Bush said last week, "All men desire to be free". You'd have to be a card carrying member of Al Queda to dispute that fact.

58 posted on 01/06/2006 12:37:10 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: blaquebyrd
"And Lincoln actually did the Blacks no favor when he 'freed' them so they could work in the northern industrial explosion!"

Technically its true. Abraham Lincoln and most Northerners didn't fight the Civil War over slavery. They mainly fought the war in order to preserve the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation issued on January 1, 1863 only freed slaves in areas engaged in rebellion. It was a way to bring the South into submission during the war. Slavery was still legal in the states that did not secede. Abraham Lincoln also wanted to send the freed slaves back to Africa which is an interesting slant on the Great Emancipator.
59 posted on 01/06/2006 12:37:42 PM PST by old republic
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To: Alouette
Don't tell Abe Foxman, he'll have a heart attack.

In that case, tell him.

60 posted on 01/06/2006 12:38:24 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: My2Cents

And I'd agree.

http://www.answers.com/topic/abraham-lincoln-on-slavery

Lincoln was not the hero he was painted to be, that's for sure. He didn't put a stop to slavery, either.


62 posted on 01/06/2006 12:38:51 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: dinoparty

Hey why not? I just put on some popcorn, sit back and wait for the lunacy to take hold.

It beats cable news, that's for sure.


63 posted on 01/06/2006 12:39:23 PM PST by Dazedcat
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To: stainlessbanner

It's not nearly as racist as the name Planned Parenthood. Will they be banning all of their material too?


64 posted on 01/06/2006 12:39:27 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The Alumni Association should have protested, chanting "Badgers? We don't need no stinking Badgers!"


65 posted on 01/06/2006 12:39:29 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: stainlessbanner

I wouldn't want these school adminstrators teaching my children about history, because they don't even know it themselves.


66 posted on 01/06/2006 12:39:39 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: voiceinthewind
alot of the Tejanos who are 2nd and 3rd generation, they're basically South Texas rednecks. Rebel flags and all

God bless them.

67 posted on 01/06/2006 12:39:53 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I was born, bred and live in NY. I am no fan of the confederate flag but this should definitely be protected speech.


68 posted on 01/06/2006 12:40:01 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: blaquebyrd

http://www.answers.com/topic/abraham-lincoln-on-slavery

Learn to fly, blaquebyrd. The truth is not pretty and not as simple as you would like for it to be.

Perceptions are everything.


69 posted on 01/06/2006 12:40:02 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: stainlessbanner
The Federal Court of Appeals has already ruled on this issue in other states where it has gone that far through the courts and yes, the Confederate Battle Flag is free speech and should not be infringed. Burleson is a fixin' to find it out when the SCV gets its lawyers on the issue.
70 posted on 01/06/2006 12:40:32 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Alouette
Hispanics fought for the Confederacy. Oh and, so did Jews. Don't tell Abe Foxman, he'll have a heart attack.

Colonel Santos Benevides and his Texas Cavalry comes to easily to mind.

But, Texas is also stuck with Adrian Vidal and his Partisan Rangers.  Vidal started out fighting for the Confederacy, switched sides, deserted again, and crossed over into Mexico to fight the revolution with Juan Cortina.   He was eventually caught and executed by the Mexican Imperialists.

The Oklahoma Cherokees, now that I thank of it, also contributed a regiment to the Confederacy.

71 posted on 01/06/2006 12:41:49 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Yea..If people knew why the Battle Flag came into being ,,No Rebel Flag ever brought a slave into this country, Big deal over nothin'.


72 posted on 01/06/2006 12:43:50 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: dinoparty
Just because some are misusing the Confederate flag doesn't mean we all have to toss it, just because some are misreading the Bible doesn't mean we all have to toss it our. I will keep my flag to
73 posted on 01/06/2006 12:44:34 PM PST by munin ( I support the war on Muslim terror and GWB)
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To: old republic
Regardless of the reasons why America didn't live up to it's promise that all men are created equal, I'm proud to say that we finally came around. Now we can say to the rest of the world that we practice what we preach and spread true freedom all over the world without looking like hypocrites. There's nothing wrong with being proud of ones heritage, personally I prefer to salute the flag I proudly defended for 20 years. The flag that stands for freedom!
74 posted on 01/06/2006 12:45:12 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: stainlessbanner; All

The Civil War lasted 5 years ending 1865. Yet we are apparently still fighting it 140 years later in 2006. It's American history folks. History should be preserved and studied, not fought or erased. JMHO.


75 posted on 01/06/2006 12:45:16 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Hook'em Horns!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
as racist as the name Planned Parenthood

"Ethnic Cleansing" would be a more appropriate name.

76 posted on 01/06/2006 12:45:19 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: blaquebyrd
You're kidding right? Do you even know the definition of "slave"?

Just to jump in....Oh puhleese....slaves were bought and sold in the Americas...they were not taken from military conquest where a slave held no value....quite a few slaves had a decent life....the majority of slave owners made sure their slaves were healthy and stayed healthy....who would pay good money for a slave and then treat them like S*&T so you lost money on your investment....you must be watching to much TV or reading (taught) revisionists history....sometimes slave owners had to be cruel...after all...the slave was a monetary investment...and just so I can make a barb on the N.O. disaster...I'm pretty sure that 90% of the blacks that they showed on TV were not earning a paycheck...they were receiving a paycheck...but I seriously doubt earning a paycheck.....

77 posted on 01/06/2006 12:45:20 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: stainlessbanner

Got It


78 posted on 01/06/2006 12:46:02 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: stainlessbanner
I'm of two minds about this. I've got no problem with the Confederate flag as a historical and cultural touchstone, so long as it isn't being employed for Aryan racist type demagoguery.

OTOH, I am so sick and tired of adults using their children as pawns for their own political agendas. You name the issue, and adults are using kids as catspaws: gay Scoutmasters in the BSA, condoms and anonymous abortions for 13 year olds, school uniforms, picketing Bush as a field trip, lawsuits over the Pledge of Allegiance. Hey, grownups! Fight your own battles!
79 posted on 01/06/2006 12:47:35 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: Getsmart64

Wanted to leave that one be...Picked my share of Cotton in my day,,,for free...


80 posted on 01/06/2006 12:47:56 PM PST by silentreignofheroes
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To: All

If this thread last much longer I'll be surprised.


81 posted on 01/06/2006 12:48:41 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Getsmart64

Wow, you make it sound great. Kind of like Club Med....


82 posted on 01/06/2006 12:48:46 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: stainlessbanner
I am a Yankee and have never been offended by the Stars and Bars. It is an "American" battle flag and many good Americans fought, bled and died under it.

I am, however, greatly offended by the Queer Rainbow flag and the Black Power red, green and black banner. As one who was a student at the University of Wisconsin from 1966-1970, I am also highly pissed at the Che T-shirts that are all the rage. I remember than butcher for what he was...a butcher.

83 posted on 01/06/2006 12:50:09 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: dinoparty
However, you can't deny that the rebel flag has been taken over by some pretty creepy racist elements in the 20th century. Most people associate it with these elements, not with the civil war.

I seem to remember some Germans doing that with an Indian good luck symbol, swastika or something like that.

84 posted on 01/06/2006 12:50:36 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Conservative, a liberal that was mugged. Liberal, a conservative that was arrested.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Yet we are apparently still fighting it 140 years later in 2006.

Well, some folks still believe their ancestors were promised forty acres and a mule.  Some of their descendants still want the land and the mule, plus interest.

Lots of silly stuff keeps the war simmering.

85 posted on 01/06/2006 12:51:41 PM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: blaquebyrd

"The Real Lincoln is a biography of Abraham Lincoln written by Thomas DiLorenzo in 2002. The biography differs from traditional books about Lincoln in presenting a severely critical view of his presidency.

In discussing Lincoln's legacy, DiLorenzo presents evidence of civil liberties abuses such as the suspension of habeas corpus, violations of the first amendment, war crimes committed by generals in the American Civil War, and the expansion of government power.

DiLorenzo argues that Lincoln's views on race exhibited forms of bigotry that are commonly overlooked today (See Abraham Lincoln on slavery).

DiLorenzo also argues that Lincoln instigated the Civil War not over slavery but rather to centralize power and to enforce the strongly protectionist Morrill Tariff."



Blaquebyrd, I meant you no offense. I thank you for your service to our country and the freedom we enjoy.


86 posted on 01/06/2006 12:52:17 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: stainlessbanner

My great great great grandfather died for that flag. Right or wrong, it IS my heritage.


87 posted on 01/06/2006 12:52:58 PM PST by sandbar
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To: Getsmart64
"sometimes slave owners had to be cruel..."

That's why they are burning in Hell now. Try as you might you'll never make me, a true American patriot, believe that slavery is a virtuous, respectful, saintly business. So please, continue to wave your Confederate flag and I'll wave mine, the American one.

88 posted on 01/06/2006 12:53:43 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: stainlessbanner

Sorry, but when these girls say they didn't mean to cause trouble, they're either lying or really incredibly stupid.


89 posted on 01/06/2006 12:54:33 PM PST by Gone GF
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To: My2Cents
"Lee was a great general, a man of integrity, and man of character, a devote Christian, beloved by those who served under him, and the most one can say about his "political" leanings, he was a loyal Virginian. Frankly, I consider Lee to be a great American, period."

This Yankee agrees with you...and I am willing to forgive the fact that he went to "Hudson High"!

90 posted on 01/06/2006 12:54:43 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: pbrown
civil war

The war between the states. :-)

The war of northern aggression. ;)

91 posted on 01/06/2006 12:55:09 PM PST by rock_lobsta
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To: stainlessbanner

When are people --just gonna be--people again?
My God! Is this the aptitude of the school board too?In truth,they need a town meeting of parents up there, without this Principle,to decide whether he's mature enough to handle high school students.He could put this incident on his resume',along with All his other FEARS about what might happen,(he might never get another job-in the school system again-ever).For sure in the SOUTH!Not only did he call the students "racist" but the mother and Father as well.All that name calling is fist fighting talk to a Southern--this Principle must of been raised up somewhere else--God knows where?They need to get rid of that dude immediately! Fired and don't let the door hit you in the ass.


92 posted on 01/06/2006 12:57:00 PM PST by bobwilgo
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To: stainlessbanner

"Ashley Thomas said she is proud of her Southern heritage."


She certainly seems to enjoy lots of fried chicken.


93 posted on 01/06/2006 12:57:04 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: stainlessbanner
Hypocrisy in action, Had the girls burned the American Flag they would get an "A."
94 posted on 01/06/2006 12:57:28 PM PST by Exton1
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To: durasell

"When I wore my General Sherman "I'm Marching To the Beach" T-shirt. I got dirty looks down south."


General Sherman was a terrorist no better than Osama Bin Laden


95 posted on 01/06/2006 12:58:31 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: VRWCmember
Have the 8 or 9 percent Hispanic students complained about the racism of the Texas flag that flys in front of the school?

Don't start, or they will try to take down or change that flag, too. PC liberalism knows no bounds, and will not be stopped by sense of proportion, reason or common sense.

96 posted on 01/06/2006 12:58:45 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: LexBaird

I think you've made the best and worst of the situation known.

I can only add that I think it's stupid to gum up the court system with this kind of malarky when there is still a very real worldwide problem with human trafficking. Lincoln didn't end slavery. He didn't even scratch the surface.


97 posted on 01/06/2006 12:59:29 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Gone GF

I disagree...others are way more PC sensitive than they should be.


98 posted on 01/06/2006 12:59:37 PM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: Racehorse
Between the whites, the war wounds had healed until the race pimps of the NAALCP figured out how, with help from the ACLU, they could dig into the scar and reopen the wound.

Let's not allow the race pimps, today's racists, turn our good natured ribbing into open warfare again!

99 posted on 01/06/2006 12:59:49 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: dinoparty

Yes, and some pretty creepy elements have spoken against the flag. The flag is inanimate. If someone says they respect it because they respect the people who fought under it, then it's not racist, regardless of what anyone in the insult industry thinks.


100 posted on 01/06/2006 1:00:09 PM PST by jjmcgo
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