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Gay and legally married
Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel ^ | 1/9/06 | Terry Bush

Posted on 01/09/2006 9:36:27 AM PST by Dane

Gay and legally married By Terry Bush Posted January 9 2006

We finally tied the knot! My husband and I got married in Vancouver, B.C., Aug. 17, following with a cruise to Alaska. Having been together for eight and a half years, we could now express our feelings to each other publicly and become part of this institution that we have witnessed friends and family members join throughout our lives. I finally got to experience and feel what they did on that special day.

The difference here is that we are both men.

Some people are trying, in the name of the Lord, to do everything in their power to stop this from happening in the U.S., and I feel sorry for them. There is no basis for their claim. Picking and choosing Bible verses is what they did to try to stop integration and interracial marriage.

My first relationship of 18 great years ended with the other's death 10 years ago. I was not "privileged" to marry at that time.

I say "privileged" because those who are trying to keep me in second-class status take this action for granted. Heterosexuals can get married one day and divorced another.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: danesobsession; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage
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To: N3WBI3
Note his words to the adulterous woman: go and sin no more. Christ offers forgiveness and the same grace the protect me from my sin can protect a homosexual from theirs, that is if they turn away.

No disagreement here...He also said to forgive "seven times seventy" in illustrating the degree (forever) of God's ultimate forgiveness for sinners who repent.

51 posted on 01/09/2006 10:51:09 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: Dane

The author's thesis is the same thing as saying that beating a dead horse causes no harm.


52 posted on 01/09/2006 10:51:21 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: LIConFem

You're my kind of sinner. Let's eat.


53 posted on 01/09/2006 10:52:12 AM PST by dmz
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To: darkangel82

Yup, and those articles he posted have inspired others to post things like the cartoon on post 32.

Kewl!


54 posted on 01/09/2006 10:53:37 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: meandog
sin is sin, and homosexuality is by definition of sin no worse or better than any other transgression

...indeed not! There are gradations and levels of sin in Mosaic Law, and convicting a person of a capital crime is extremely difficult.

Committing a homosexual act, or adulatery or bestiality, unless performed in public in front of witnesses, is not likely to result in a conviction. Eating a non-kosher animal is not punishable by death.

55 posted on 01/09/2006 10:58:29 AM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: richardtavor
He forgave all sin, not just adultery and homosexuality. But sin is still sin--when he healed people, what did he say? Go and sin no more. If a person is in open rebellion to G-d (as this person obviously is), then it is very difficult for him to hear and recognize the voice of G-d.) I recommend for those of you (meaning all of us) that struggle with the connection of Jewish concepts and the relation of the Law with Christians that you read "Galatians" by Avi ben Mordechai. I don't want to get in a theological debate about Law vs. Grace, but it is good that we all search for the Truth.

I concur, with the understanding that all sin is offensive to Our Heavenly Father; IOW there is no degree of sin. Therefore the sin of a homosexual act is just as bad as fornication (guilty), lying (guilty), adultery (guilty), dishonoring parents (guilty), failing to keep a holy Sabbath (guilty), (stealing) guilty, drunkedness (guilty), lust (guilty), coveting a neighbor's wife (guilty), etc., etc.

56 posted on 01/09/2006 10:58:49 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: Alouette
...indeed not! There are gradations and levels of sin in Mosaic Law, and convicting a person of a capital crime is extremely difficult.

Well then, you stick to Mosaic Law, and I'll stick to Christianity...

57 posted on 01/09/2006 11:01:59 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: napscoordinator

Regardless of which translation that you use, He says that "I did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it." He also said, "Do not do as the Pharisees do, but what they say--by this, he meant that they were hypocrites, but that they knew the Law. Does it mean that Christians are under the Law? If they choose not to be under all of the Law handed down by Moses to the Jews, then no they are not under the Mosaic Law. However, I believe, that to us gentiles, we are still accountable for our sin (as are Jews). No one (including Jews)have ever been 'saved' by their performance of the Law (it is impossible.) Were not Abraham, Issac and Jacob all saved before the Law was handed down? We gentiles believe in salvation through the Messiah Jesus (Yeshua in Hebrew means Annointed One.) I believe as He says in Romans 11:24 "For if thou were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?" Israel is the olive tree. Our sins are paid for by Jesus, but payment is necessary.


58 posted on 01/09/2006 11:02:13 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Dane

-No matter what you try to do, we're legally married and always will be -- "until death do us part." -

It's not US trying to do anything to YOU. And death? I'm betting his first boy toy died of AIDs, so his second might not last too long, either.


59 posted on 01/09/2006 11:17:21 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Alouette
...indeed not! There are gradations and levels of sin in Mosaic Law, and convicting a person of a capital crime is extremely difficult.

Mosaic (Levitican) Law is extremely harsh (IMHO) as in (KJV) LEV 20:10 "And the man that commiteth adultery with another man's wife, even he that commiteth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and adulteress shall SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH!"...

However, how do you explain that King David who committed adultery with the wife of Uriah and even had Uriah placed in the front ranks in battle so he would be killed was not punished by God; nor was the woman at the well in the New Testament, nor the woman caught in the very act of adultery? Perhaps Moses got the interpretation wrong?

60 posted on 01/09/2006 11:22:43 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: meandog

Excellent points. The difference between the homosexual person in this article and G-d's people, is that they repent because of their Love of G-d. Repentence is the acknowledgement that one has fallen short of G-d's law and the need to change directions from that sin. Therefore, as I quoted in Romans 11, G-d gave them over to a reprobate mind, that they should come to know the need for repentence and come to him. He did not come for 'just' his people, but for all--(muslims, homosexuals, non believer's etc.,) but, unfortunately, "Many are called, but few come.) Performance of the Law represents obedience to G-d, but they, likewise, are saved by faith.


61 posted on 01/09/2006 11:23:31 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Alouette
sin is sin, and homosexuality is by definition of sin no worse or better than any other transgression

Well if blaspheming the holy spirit is the one transgression that can not be forgiven it seems some are worse than others.

“Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven” (Mt. 12:31)

62 posted on 01/09/2006 11:28:20 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: meandog
However, how do you explain that King David who committed adultery with the wife of Uriah and even had Uriah placed in the front ranks in battle so he would be killed was not punished by God

It was customary for Israelite soldiers to divorce their wives when they went away to war, in case they were missing in action. Bathsheva was legally divorced from her husband when David took her, therefore it was not considered adultery in the criminal sense.

David was condemned by Nathan because he benefitted personally, and it said "what David did was evil in the eyes of the Lord." The son that he conceived with Bathsheva died in infancy (II Samuel 11:26)

David repented of this sin over many years.

63 posted on 01/09/2006 11:35:19 AM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: N3WBI3; meandog
some [sins] are worse than others.

That's what I said, what you highlighted are meandog's comments.

64 posted on 01/09/2006 11:37:19 AM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: richardtavor

I know. I was just curious. Thank you for the post and info.


65 posted on 01/09/2006 12:01:17 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Galveston Grl

I am so wanting people to stop unhealthy lifestyles. I understand now what you meant by culture of death. I agree with you on this.


66 posted on 01/09/2006 12:03:19 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Alouette
ROMANS 3:23: "For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
67 posted on 01/09/2006 12:05:49 PM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: meandog; Alouette

An nowhere has anyone said otherwise, you have been corrected with scripture when you said all sins are equal.

In that all sins make us forfeit of the kingdom, save grace, you are correct. In that the word never ranks sins, you are wrong!


68 posted on 01/09/2006 12:23:31 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Alouette
I grew up Catholic and in that religion I learned there are degrees to sin - mortal and venial sin. Murder is mortal sin. White lies or cussing are venial sins. Adultery is a moral sin. Homosexuality is adultery and it is a mortal sin.

As far as governing, I like the secular system of justice better than the law of the old testament or the law of Islam that we see in operation in the Middle East, Asia and Africa. The religious hypocrites have no business administering justice as most would not know justice if it hit them in the face.

But as far as culture and social taboos - that should be decided by the people based on their own moral and health standards. My moral standards calls for rejecting the mainstreaming and acceptance of homosexual sex as deadly and immoral. I don't want my kids being taught by perverts that it is wonderful or has anything to do with love and marriage. It is in the realm of porn - adultery and it's NATURAL consequences is disease and death.

The one interesting nullification of all moral standards is that if you are not perfect you may not judge another's immoral behavior. The crowd of this thought claims Jesus banned all judgment when he protected the whore from stoning. He did not excuse her sin; he had mercy on her as she was given another chance to straighten up by him. He told her to sin no more just as he withheld the hand of judgment against her for her sin. He is the One of mercy; not the one of no judgment. To repent in Christianity involves judging one's own behavior as sinful and turning from it in sorrow. And if we fail to do that, we will be judged by God and it won't be pretty according to the Catholic religion. We are to judge immoral behavior - our own and others - and we are to do our best to straighten up. The courts never belong in the business of trying to establish social moral standards because they are trying to establish a National religion with themselves as the gods.
69 posted on 01/09/2006 12:42:25 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: N3WBI3
An nowhere has anyone said otherwise, you have been corrected with scripture when you said all sins are equal

My (Episcopal) religion ranks sin as either mortal or venial...a mortal sin is stated as murder but can also be one of cruelty to animals and are ranked the same. A venial sin basically is something left undone that should have been done ... however, both are sin as sin as defined ("missing the mark") and are both offensive to God.

70 posted on 01/09/2006 1:10:39 PM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: Galveston Grl
Adultery is a moral sin. Homosexuality is adultery and it is a mortal sin.

...so is "dressing immorally" and ranked as equal: click here

71 posted on 01/09/2006 1:15:38 PM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: meandog

That link was insane, Jeepers creepers, man. It's so abvious that all of that was written by man and has nothing to do with God. I just happened to click on it and start reading and MAN.....let's just say I'm glad I'm not part of whatever sect that is. cripes!


72 posted on 01/09/2006 2:10:01 PM PST by Bones75
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To: Bones75

REgarding my last post. I didn't mean that to offend or knock any Catholics. I am Christian myself but I am highly suspicious of the Catholic church and believe that much of what they do come from the minds of men, not of God himself.

I believe they have falsified and changed any number of things arbitrarily throughout their history for their own ends. (The day that CHristmas is on, Sunday being called the Sabbath with it is actually Saturday as far as I can tell from history.


73 posted on 01/09/2006 2:33:00 PM PST by Bones75
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To: meandog

it didn't apply to goyim.


74 posted on 01/09/2006 8:08:56 PM PST by avile
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To: Bones75
That link was insane, Jeepers creepers, man. It's so abvious that all of that was written by man and has nothing to do with God. I just happened to click on it and start reading and MAN.....let's just say I'm glad I'm not part of whatever sect that is. cripes!

...It is the Roman Catholic (the mother of all Christian Churches) definition of what constitutes moral sin...on most of the high points (with exception to contraception, other issues involving human sexuality, and church worship) we (Episcopalians) believe the same. We (as do Roman Catholics) also believe that Jesus promised any/all sin, if confessed and repented will be forgiven (that includes the "big ones" like murder).

75 posted on 01/10/2006 6:42:39 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: N3WBI3
“Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven” (Mt. 12:31)

How does one blaspheme the Spirit?
76 posted on 01/10/2006 6:50:01 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: BikerNYC

Good article by my pastor

http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper84/040184m.htm


77 posted on 01/10/2006 8:00:19 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
Your pastor says: What then is it? The unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an act of resistance which belittles the Holy Spirit so grievously that he withdraws for ever with his convicting power so that we are never able to repent and be forgiven.

I understand what he is saying (I probably have committed such an act of resistance), but I have heard from others that no one is beyond redemption. That we ALL have the power within us AT ALL TIMES to ask for forgiveness, it is just that our stubbornness gets in the way.

As your pastor alludes to in his article I suppose there is disagreement among believers as to what exactly this unforgivable sin actually entails.
78 posted on 01/10/2006 8:38:43 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: BikerNYC
I understand what he is saying (I probably have committed such an act of resistance), but I have heard from others that no one is beyond redemption. That we ALL have the power within us AT ALL TIMES to ask for forgiveness, it is just that our stubbornness gets in the way.

You have to understand that one of the big debates within the protestant community is between Calvinist and Armenians (sp). Calvinist believe you will only come to repentance it so moved by the Holy Spirit of God, through that perspective what he is saying is that when you have blasphemed the holy spirit you will *not* be moved *ever* to repentance and that if you are truly moved that way you have not committed such an offense.

Armenians (example: Nazarenes, Weslians) believe man chooses to serve God and through his choice, and Gods grace, he is redeemed by the Blood of Christ. Calvinist believe God has chosen the elect and will preserve them until such a time as *his spirit alone* draws them near (i.e. we have no say in the matter, its *only* Gods grace).

79 posted on 01/10/2006 9:07:42 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

I see. That debate would certainly be reflected in the debate about what the unforgiveable sin is.


80 posted on 01/10/2006 9:23:33 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: BikerNYC
Well Christ himself called it an unforgivable sin, so there is something to it. It along with verses that deal with God hardening peoples hearts for his purposes (in effect, I think, damning them by no choice of their own) have led me to see much more scripture supporting Calvinism than armeanism.
81 posted on 01/10/2006 9:45:51 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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