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Teens charged after rifle exchange (more zero tolerance at school?)
Finger Lakes Times ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 | By DENISE M. CHAMPAGNE

Posted on 01/11/2006 10:58:18 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

OVID NY— Two teenagers were charged Tuesday after allegedly having a rifle in the parking lot of South Seneca Central Junior/Senior High School at 7263 Main St.

District Superintendent Janie Nusser said a student came on campus with a rifle in her car to give it to the rifle’s owner who was another student. She said they made the transfer in the school parking lot in violation of board policy and state law.

“I think when students saw the rifle, they were concerned and reported it to adults and we immediately called law enforcement,” Nusser said.

“I think what heightened people’s concerns was the student that was the owner of the gun had been involved in an argument with another student just prior to the transfer. At this time in the investigation, we do not see a connection between the two incidents.”

Nusser said the incident happened at the end of the school day and reports of a lockdown are untrue.

“It’s an ongoing investigation, so for me to give you much information would be premature,” she said.

Nusser would not name the students, but Seneca County sheriff’s deputies charged Jeffrey R. Warne, 17, of 7904 Route 89, Interlaken, and Jessica L. Prindle-Ike, 16, of 8494 Mill St., Lodi, with fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon.

Deputies said the .22-caliber rifle was not pointed at anyone during the incident.

The teens were ticketed and are to appear Jan. 30 in Ovid Town Court.


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a student came on campus with a rifle in her car to give it to the rifle’s owner who was another student. She said they made the transfer in the school parking lot...the incident happened at the end of the school day

Maybe there's more to this story, but looks to me as if this is simply hysteria.

1 posted on 01/11/2006 10:58:20 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
looks to me as if this is simply hysteria

Except that it's against the law to have a gun on school property.

2 posted on 01/11/2006 11:01:31 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
Zero intelligence ping
3 posted on 01/11/2006 11:05:45 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; agrace

I don't know. I have heard some absurd situations like someone suspended for a butter knife on the floor of their car after their family hadmoved the weekend before. That IS absurd.

I don't want unsupervised teens with a gun around my kid. It seems like a clear violation of school policy to me.


4 posted on 01/11/2006 11:05:57 AM PST by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: lightingguy

I used to shoot .22 target rifle at a range IN the High School.


5 posted on 01/11/2006 11:07:42 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Teens charged after rifle exchange

From the headline, I thought that they had been shooting at each other.

6 posted on 01/11/2006 11:07:44 AM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Where I went to HS it was weird if you did not have a rifle in your rear window of your truck


7 posted on 01/11/2006 11:08:44 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Like it or not, it seems to me that everybody knows that you can't take firearms to school. It may or may not be a stupid law, but there it is.

Besides, what if this was a case of some gangbangers passing firearms in the parking lot? We'd be less upset by an arrest in that case.

If you have kids in school, do make sure they know that it's illegal to take firearms to school, even in the car trunk.


8 posted on 01/11/2006 11:09:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: lightingguy
Can school policy trump a constitutional right to bear arms?

When you enter a school yard and leave the USA what country do you enter? the NEA?

9 posted on 01/11/2006 11:09:27 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Every educrat is a thug.


10 posted on 01/11/2006 11:10:21 AM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I used to shoot .22 target rifle at a range IN the High School.

But.... Didn't that cause all the students in your school to become homicidal monsters? I mean, just being in the presence of a gun should make a thinking human being shudder with fear! ;-)

11 posted on 01/11/2006 11:10:38 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

So did I. But that was back in the late 1950s. We don't do that any more. That might be stupid, but I also don't want the local young Crips passing guns in the parking lot of the High School near me.

Common sense, I guess, has to prevail.


12 posted on 01/11/2006 11:10:52 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

what if a cow had balls it would be a bull....
moving a .22 rifle from one car to another in a parking lot big deal


13 posted on 01/11/2006 11:11:23 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: SittinYonder

Yea, that will stop anyone bent on murder.


14 posted on 01/11/2006 11:11:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: DaveyB
Can school policy trump a constitutional right to bear arms?

Does that right (which I fully support) extend to minors? I'm unclear on that.

15 posted on 01/11/2006 11:13:32 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: craig_eddy

Those rights extend to every single living american.

Period.


16 posted on 01/11/2006 11:15:05 AM PST by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: MineralMan

It was the 70's for me. They still have rifle teams associated with JROTC here in NM, but use precision air rifles (no lead remediation problems, no hearing protection needed, and the range can be a classroom with a cinderblock wall as a backstop in case they miss the pellet trap)

Scholastic shooting programs are the only youth sport that has never had a case of participant or spectator violence documented.

Your point about criminals and gang bangers is completely valid though.


17 posted on 01/11/2006 11:16:11 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: craig_eddy
Does that right (which I fully support) extend to minors?

If it doesn't (no language in the bill of rights restricts rights to non-minors but restricts power of the state) what would keep the Libs from raising the legal age to say 65 or 100?

18 posted on 01/11/2006 11:17:02 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: DaveyB

LOL. Try openly carrying your loaded AR-15 to the mall tonight.

Can mall policy trump a constitional right to bear arms?

Get back to me with the results, OK?


19 posted on 01/11/2006 11:17:42 AM PST by dmz
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To: DaveyB

How stupid can a kid be? Suspend them.


20 posted on 01/11/2006 11:19:15 AM PST by silentknight
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To: dmz
Try openly carrying your loaded AR-15 to the mall tonight.

Mall's are private property and entered by me (rarely)by my consent. Same as my neighbors house - public schools are Publicly funded, mandated and participation is strictly enforced (all to my great dismay).

21 posted on 01/11/2006 11:22:44 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Political correctness and zero tolerance means that you treat a kid with a .22 rifle in his trunk the same as a Crips banger with a Tec-9 in the hallway.


22 posted on 01/11/2006 11:23:40 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: lightingguy

The best one I heard happened in Western Washington when a boy was suspended for bringing a G.I.Joe gun to school. It was one inch long. Made of plastic.


23 posted on 01/11/2006 11:24:09 AM PST by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is.)
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To: American_Centurion

No, the right to bear arms doesn't extend to minors. Just like the right to vote and unlimited free speech don't extend to them either. The courts have ruled repeatedly, and the Supreme Court has affirmed, that minors do not share the same legal rights and responsibilities as adults. This protects society by preventing 15 year olds from electing Brittney Spears president, and it protects kids by preventing the government from drafting them.

The second amendment is no more or less important than any of the other amendments from a legal standpoint.

As for this particular case, I agree with them being punished. If a passing police officer had seen kids with rifles in the parking lot, this could have easily become a tragic situation. That's not even getting into the reality that these doofuses publically displayed the fact that they were leaving a firearm in an unsecured and unprotected vehicle all day. Even if these kids meant no harm, it's incredibly easy to pop the trunk on a car, and anyone who saw them swap the rifle could have stolen it in a matter of minutes.

There's a lot of stupid in this story, and most of it belongs to the two kids.


24 posted on 01/11/2006 11:29:53 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yea, that will stop anyone bent on murder.

I didn't say it would stop anyone bent on murder. I said it's against the law.

I frequently will not think about taking my gun off when I'm going somewhere such as the post office where it is illegal for me to have my gun. But I've never been charged for having a gun where I wasn't supposed to because I've never taken it out and showed it around.

Whether or not these kinds of zero tolerance laws are good or bad isn't the point. The point is, if you have a rifle on school property you are violating the law. You don't then announce the presence of the gun by taking the rifle out of your car to exchange it with someone else in front of witnesses.

This was just poor judgment on the part of the kids.

25 posted on 01/11/2006 11:32:11 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: American_Centurion

Do you think its wrong that airlines make passengers declare amd/or check their firearms?

Even peace officers surrender their weapons when visiting prisoners in jail.

Seems prudent to restrict firearms in some places. Any place that serves liquor comes to my mind. I've got no problem with school grounds being one of the "off-limits" places. If this girl had common sense she would have done the exchange at one of their homes, or some more appropriate place.

I would say she is not one of the sharper knives in the drawer. And her sense of good judgement is lacking. I hope her parents make her pay the fine and then take her rifle.


26 posted on 01/11/2006 11:33:36 AM PST by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Political correctness and zero tolerance means that you treat a kid with a .22 rifle in his trunk the same as a Crips banger with a Tec-9 in the hallway.

It's a rifle. It's school grounds. These should not mix.

Unless it's a firearms class with a certified adult instructor and adequate security.

27 posted on 01/11/2006 11:37:57 AM PST by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: YankeeGirl

Should you are I be allowed to CCW on school grounds?


28 posted on 01/11/2006 11:39:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: silentknight
How stupid can a kid be?

They went to public school- I think that leaves the answer to your question astronomically large. In fact they could be stupid enough to vote democrat or stupid enough to think the government is their friend.

29 posted on 01/11/2006 11:40:00 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: Arthalion; YankeeGirl
First I never said that the teens shouldn't be punished nor did I state that there were not circumstances where firearms should be restricted.

As far as who the Bill of Rights pertains to, my answer stands as every single living American. Yes those rights have been curbed and infringed, and that may have been upheld by the USSC in many cases. The fact that the USSC has been complicit in infringing upon God given rights does not surprise me in the least. Inevitably every government will break the bounds of it's constraints, it's survival depends solely on how skillfully it does so.

Another Freeper pointed out that if a law merely stating an age can curb that right, then what will prevent the Government from simply stating that 100 is the age all constitutional rights apply? That wouldn't be skillful, but it would be the death knell for this current iteration of the United States.
30 posted on 01/11/2006 11:43:44 AM PST by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: YankeeGirl
It's a rifle. It's school grounds. These should not mix.

I agree - ban the school not the rifle. Schools are the greater threat to America by far.

31 posted on 01/11/2006 11:44:21 AM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: DaveyB
"When you enter a school yard and leave the USA what country do you enter? the NEA?"

A very strange and creepy place where the incompetent and the cruel reign in terror and blithering idiocy. Ruled by the NEA it is a region where up becomes down, right becomes wrong, sane becomes insane.

It is a nightmare of suffocating Political Correctness that quenches every spark of human ingenuity or ambition. Children who are sent there return with insipid ideas of a relativity based reality and empty of moral values.

In short entering a school yard is entering hell on earth. Ordinary rules and regulations no longer apply. Only the strong survive.
32 posted on 01/11/2006 11:45:45 AM PST by monday
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To: Tijeras_Slim
" I used to shoot .22 target rifle at a range IN the High School."

But that was during the Eisenhower Administration when things were different. :-)

33 posted on 01/11/2006 11:47:17 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: verity

Nixon actually.


34 posted on 01/11/2006 11:47:36 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: craig_eddy; Arthalion; YankeeGirl
craig_eddywrote Does that right (which I fully support) extend to minors? I'm unclear on that.

Arthalion wrote No, the right to bear arms doesn't extend to minors.

yankeegirl wrote it Seems prudent to restrict firearms in some places.

not having that right extend to minors has got minors murdered. even minors have the inalienable right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and if they have the inalienable right to life they have the right to defend their life by any means necessary click the link

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jan-08-Sun-2006/news/4951446.html

35 posted on 01/11/2006 11:54:08 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: MineralMan
If you have kids in school, do make sure they know that it's illegal to take firearms to school, even in the car trunk.

What law is that?

36 posted on 01/11/2006 11:56:06 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

"What law is that?"

Depends where you are. Most states have laws prohibiting firearms from schoolgrounds.


37 posted on 01/11/2006 11:59:27 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Things sure have changed since I was in HS. If you owned a truck, you had a gunrack in it. If you drove a car, there was the trunk.


38 posted on 01/11/2006 12:00:16 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: MineralMan
So in your world the rights and responsibilities of todays youth being limited by the actions of gang bangers is common sense?
39 posted on 01/11/2006 12:02:41 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

"They still have rifle teams associated with JROTC here in NM, but use precision air rifles (no lead remediation problems, no hearing protection needed, and the range can be a classroom with a cinderblock wall as a backstop in case they miss the pellet trap) "

Good deal! I like air rifles, and have a 10 meter range in my basement. It's great fun when company's over, and everybody gets to shoot. I've introduced the kids in my wife's family to shooting there. Nobody else in the family is into guns at all. Still, everyone has a good time trying to hit those tiny little targets.

They're a great introduction to firearms and firearms safety. All the rules I'd apply to any range apply to that 10 meter range.


40 posted on 01/11/2006 12:03:48 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
article: in the school parking lot in violation of board policy and state law.

BLL: simply hysteria.

that be a felony in NY (to my recollection)

I saw a taxidermy teacher do it 25 yrs ago - he was crapping his pants THEN

41 posted on 01/11/2006 12:04:39 PM PST by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor, Vengeance is mine)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Bottom line here - they had a Rifle on school property in direct violation of the law.

Stupid move on the kids part, but the law is the law, and in this case I agree with the school for calling LE and reporting it.

42 posted on 01/11/2006 12:05:49 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Durus

"So in your world the rights and responsibilities of todays youth being limited by the actions of gang bangers is common sense?
"

Use your head, man. These kids are all at school, nice kids, geeks, and gang-banger alike. What do you want the school to do? Should they make a list of which kids can bring firearms to school and which cannot?

How will they tell? Sorry, but I have no problem with a ban on kids bringing firearms to school. Your kids might be just fine. Others are not.


43 posted on 01/11/2006 12:06:19 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Depends where you are. Most states have laws prohibiting firearms from schoolgrounds.

OK. I have looked unsuccessfully for the federal "safe schools" law that was originally struck down by SCOTUS. I don't know if the federal law exists or, if so, what it says.

The state law here exemps firearms legally carried in your vehicle so long as it is locked.

44 posted on 01/11/2006 12:06:25 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: commish
the law is the law, and in this case I agree with the school for calling

Bring on the tyranny - it is the law you know!

45 posted on 01/11/2006 12:08:26 PM PST by DaveyB (Peace follows victory - never before)
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To: MileHi

"The state law here exemps firearms legally carried in your vehicle so long as it is locked."

OK. Then by unlocking the trunk and transferring the firearm on school grounds, I'd guess these kids would have been breaking the law, even in CO.

This was in NY. I believe there is a state law there prohibiting firearms on school grounds, except for law enforcement types. I'm not positive on that, but that's my recollection.


46 posted on 01/11/2006 12:08:46 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I graduated from a Houston HS in 67. At that time we would trade shotguns and rifles in the school parking lot every Friday afternoon in the fall. Even a couple of teachers were in on it. What you needed depended on what you were hunting that weekend. OH and not one person in our 3 grade 2200 member HS got shot while I was there. Times change ... sigh ..............


47 posted on 01/11/2006 12:10:12 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Justice and "The Law" are not always the same thing.)
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To: MileHi; MineralMan; yall
MineralMan:

If you have kids in school, do make sure they know that it's illegal to take firearms to school, even in the car trunk.

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What law is that?
36 MileHi

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It's a really stupid, unconstitutional federal 'law', made under the pretext that Congress can regulate damn near anything using the commerce clause.
48 posted on 01/11/2006 12:11:10 PM PST by don asmussen
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

To the people who think the kids made a mistake; Your correct.

To the people who think 'Zero Tolerance' is a good thing; You might be a Liberal.

To people that are frightened of their children being around guns; Teach them, at an early age, about gun safety.


49 posted on 01/11/2006 12:11:32 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: DaveyB

Get the law declared unconstitutional or removed -- until then that is the law and like it or not you have to play by the law.


50 posted on 01/11/2006 12:11:59 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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