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Hillary's presidential remake leaves the Clinton heartland cold
The Age ^ | January 14, 2006 | Anne Summers

Posted on 01/14/2006 4:29:15 AM PST by yoe

Although it is still more than two years before the main parties in the United States decide on their candidates for the 2008 presidential election, it is widely assumed that the Democratic Party candidate will be the junior senator from New York, Hillary Clinton.

You might expect the political conversation among Democrats to be along the lines of "is Hillary electable" (given the preponderance of red states on the American political map) but as I discovered during a recent visit to the US, many in her natural base have already washed their hands of her.

[snip] At a dinner party in New York last week with a group that included writers, lawyers, a former senior staff member for the Clinton administration and a columnist for The New York Times, the hatred of Hillary Clinton was unconcealed. It was articulated with the passion of people scorned. Clinton has not just disappointed, she has betrayed them. I might have been more surprised at the way these Upper West Side liberals were slagging off at someone many of them would once have seen as a political ally, if not a personal friend, had it not been for a pretty savage piece in that week's New York magazine.

[snip] A far bigger complaint is not about her personality, but her politics. In recent months, Clinton has cosied up to the leading members of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" she once excoriated for trying to bring down her husband. (That was before she knew the truth about Monica Lewinsky.) Former House speaker Newt Gingrich torpedoed the "Hillarycare" health insurance plan in 1994 but that hasn't stopped her making recent common cause with him - on the need to reform health care......

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/14/2006 4:29:17 AM PST by yoe
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To: yoe

2 posted on 01/14/2006 4:32:39 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: yoe

if she got her own cigar treatment, she might get happier


3 posted on 01/14/2006 4:34:36 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: yoe
Do not worry,when she needs to,she will join the yammering minions on the looney left and they will welcome her with open arms.

Then with a knowing wink of the eye to them she will attend a military event and exclaim her gratitude for the job the troops have done.

4 posted on 01/14/2006 4:34:43 AM PST by carlr
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To: yoe

Sure they'll trash her, until she's on the ticket opposite a Republican. Then suddenly she's lesser of two evils.


5 posted on 01/14/2006 4:34:48 AM PST by squidly
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To: yoe

Scorn for Hillary and for all the wrong reasons. . .


6 posted on 01/14/2006 4:34:49 AM PST by cricket
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To: squidly; yoe

Precisely.

So long as Hillary retains solid minority support (and Blacks remember the 90's as the best of times) the white liberals will grumble but fall in line.


7 posted on 01/14/2006 4:41:25 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: sure_fine
..if she got her own cigar treatment, she might get happier

..or even, just a cigarette....just one cigarette after sex, but w/ whom? :D

8 posted on 01/14/2006 4:41:29 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: yoe
Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.

The difference is that while most in the blue bits will probably hold their noses and vote for her, most of the folks in the red bits never will. And without them, she is toast.

Run, Hillie, run.

9 posted on 01/14/2006 4:45:17 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: yoe

I do hope that we will never forget the "Clinton Rule of Politics", that being they will say and do anything to get elected. If the polls showed most American voters wanted to have a pet toad, who would be out front saying the government must provide one for every American child, and the poor amongst us must have one for free? Hillary would be leading the pack, you can count on it.


10 posted on 01/14/2006 4:45:52 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: yoe
I don't believe this for a minute.

Members of the communist movement in the US know HRC belongs to them, body and soul. Her current makeover involves getting much further away from them than is credible, or even plausible.

Stories like this will keep appearing. She will rebuke Michael Moore. Some gay activists will dissolve in tears of rage. There will be demonstrations. She will carry a Bible.

To quote one of the formative influences on her career, she will get power "by any means necessary".

Just wait and see who shows up on Inauguration Day.

11 posted on 01/14/2006 4:49:06 AM PST by Jim Noble (Fiat justitia, ruat coelum)
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To: Old Sarge

Bookmark. (... and that's an awesome photoshop...!) :)


12 posted on 01/14/2006 4:58:52 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: Jim Noble

She has t PAY all the Media to print the Politically

Correct thing !!


13 posted on 01/14/2006 4:59:49 AM PST by Zenith
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; pookie18

I take no credit - I saw it on one of Pookie's threads.


14 posted on 01/14/2006 5:01:20 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: yoe

We must not become complacent. She still has a lot of power.


15 posted on 01/14/2006 5:01:58 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: mewzilla

This Author should repeat after me "it is easy to fool a NY Liberal into voting for Hillary, REDNECKS are much smarter, they won't fall for the Witch's lies"!


16 posted on 01/14/2006 5:02:51 AM PST by grannylinedancer
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To: yoe

<< ... before she knew the truth about [The whoreMonica] ... >>

What a bunch of crap.

Mrs Blythe effectively pimped Lewinsky - and the scores of others.


17 posted on 01/14/2006 5:03:26 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: grannylinedancer
Well, I know some Dems who won't be voting for her, either :) I hope she does run. The American body politic could stand a good exorcism.
18 posted on 01/14/2006 5:04:49 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Old Sarge
I take no credit - I saw it on one of Pookie18's threads.

Then take credit for posting it. Another FReeper pointed me to it originally.


19 posted on 01/14/2006 5:07:32 AM PST by pookie18 ((Hillary Rotten) Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Jim Noble; Carl/NewsMax; All

.

During the Vietnam War...

DIANE "HILLIARY" RODHAM

was actively on the side of

our terrorist enemy

Communist Dicitator HO CHI MINH

and against Freedom for

a then Free South Vietnam.


Bringing us in the end...


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

.


20 posted on 01/14/2006 5:09:57 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: pookie18

Shucks - I just coined the words long ago - someone better at images than I'll ever be, did the thing.

To that anonymous FReeper whose name I'll never know - thanks!


21 posted on 01/14/2006 5:10:34 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: squidly

You're exactly right. When the Left realizes the choice is between Hitlery and a moderate conservative they will support her full force.


22 posted on 01/14/2006 5:11:12 AM PST by kjo
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To: yoe


23 posted on 01/14/2006 5:19:07 AM PST by USA-Forever
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

bump


24 posted on 01/14/2006 5:20:03 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin

Run, Hillie, run.

25 posted on 01/14/2006 5:23:47 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: yoe

It's dangerous to make political calculations on anecdotes from random NYC dinner parties. That being said, Hillary has an almost impossible task - convincing enough of America's heartland that she is fit to be Commander-In-Chief while at the same time appeasing the rabidly anti-military wing of her party. Slick could have walked that fine line (heck, he got elected twice even when we had evidence, in his own words, that he "loathed the military"), don't think Hillary has the skills.


26 posted on 01/14/2006 5:28:19 AM PST by randita
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To: Old Sarge
I'm just hoping that she'll be traded for a player to be named later...


27 posted on 01/14/2006 5:29:09 AM PST by pookie18 ((Hillary Rotten) Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: pookie18; All

Since I always enjoy your Toon Threads Pookie18, I found this Hillary joke and hope YOU get a laugh.

Hillary Clinton goes to a primary school in New York to talk about the world. After her talk she offers question time.

One little boy puts up his hand. The Senator asks him what his name is.

"Kenneth" he replies.

"And what is your question, Kenneth?"

"I have three questions:

First - whatever happened to your medical health care plan?

Second - why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office?

And, Third - whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?"

Just then the bell rings for recess. Hillary Clinton informs the kiddies that they will continue after recess.

When they resume Hillary says, "Okay where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"

A different little boy puts his hand up; Hillary points him out and asks him what his name is.

"Larry" he replies.

"And what is your question, Larry?"

"I have five questions:

First - whatever happened to your medical health care plan?

Second - why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office?

Third - whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?

Fourth - why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?

And, Fifth - what happened to Kenneth???"


28 posted on 01/14/2006 5:42:44 AM PST by musicman
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To: yoe

DO NOT BE FOOLED!!!!

The evidence is that Hillary has raised millions from loyal liberals all over the country. She has sucked the donation pipe dry for all other candidates.

Because she does not espouse the liberal drivel desired by the left does not mean she will not have their votes when it counts.


29 posted on 01/14/2006 5:45:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: musicman
Since I always enjoy your Toon Threads Pookie18, I found this Hillary joke and hope YOU get a laugh.

Thanks, had seen it before, but still enjoy it? BTW, you still have ~1 1/2 days until the voting deadline...


30 posted on 01/14/2006 5:48:45 AM PST by pookie18 ((Hillary Rotten) Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Because she does not espouse the liberal drivel desired by the left does not mean she will not have their votes when it counts.

From 2002, Sex and Slavery: Hillary Clinton backs "voluntary" prostitution

For libs, what's not to love?

31 posted on 01/14/2006 5:52:11 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Old Sarge

32 posted on 01/14/2006 6:02:34 AM PST by bulldozer
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To: bulldozer

I See You...
33 posted on 01/14/2006 6:05:13 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: Old Sarge; bulldozer

You two are dangerous.........this looks like a scary hillary pic double triple dog dare you contest to the end. Good luck to both of you.


34 posted on 01/14/2006 6:08:21 AM PST by tioga (Ashamed of Sen Chuck in the land of the Hildebeast.)
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To: yoe

The libs hated Kerry in the 2004 primary .. but they voted for him because of their hatred of President Bush

The DNC is hoping their voters will do the same in 2008


35 posted on 01/14/2006 6:10:00 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1
Unfortunately for the libs, they can't win with just their voters. They won't get the Pubbies in the red bits. And she won't get many Reagan Dems. She's screwed.

Run, Hillie, run!

36 posted on 01/14/2006 6:12:10 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: squidly
A pragmatic lesson in how to conduct 'political warfare' that some Republicans refuse to learn!
37 posted on 01/14/2006 6:14:42 AM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: yoe
Makes no difference what the putrid blue fringe of the East Coast thinks. Iowa caucuses come long before the NY primary, and the Iowa voters are going to send her to the cornfield just like they did to Goofy Dean. Being no male, and laden with far more political baggage, she'll go that much quicker.


38 posted on 01/14/2006 6:18:58 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: yoe

Nothing but a smokescreen to fool some moderates into voting for her. Dont believe for one minute this is not orchestrated!


39 posted on 01/14/2006 6:20:26 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: yoe

She doesn't stand a chance in the red states. She's already got a lock on the liberal bastions of this country.


40 posted on 01/14/2006 6:20:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: yoe

The big question is: will spurning her base enable her to win enough "rednecks' to become the 44th president or will she just end up being reviled by everyone?


That is offensive. Besides I can't believe she would be able to appeal to that many men as leader of the country.


41 posted on 01/14/2006 6:22:53 AM PST by Misschuck
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To: musicman

LOL


42 posted on 01/14/2006 6:25:59 AM PST by get'emall (Next one to go is Ruth!)
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To: mewzilla

Liar Liar Pansuit on Fire.




ROTF


43 posted on 01/14/2006 6:30:11 AM PST by Global2010 (St. Kolbe Militia Immaculata Ministries)
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To: Global2010
Wish I could take credit for coining it. It'll make a great bumper sticker.

Run, Hillie, run!

44 posted on 01/14/2006 6:31:26 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Old Sarge

That pic gave me the chills in a creepy way.

What and where did it come from?


45 posted on 01/14/2006 6:31:31 AM PST by Global2010 (St. Kolbe Militia Immaculata Ministries)
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To: yoe

I'll stick with my opinion: She won't even get the nomination.


46 posted on 01/14/2006 6:33:23 AM PST by atomicpossum (If I don't reply, don't think you're winning. I often just don't bother to argue.)
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To: yoe

They call these people Liberals?!? they are to far left to be Liberals! They're more like.........French.


47 posted on 01/14/2006 6:34:52 AM PST by crashthe24
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To: Old Sarge

Her left eye looks soul less. JMO


48 posted on 01/14/2006 6:35:27 AM PST by Global2010 (St. Kolbe Militia Immaculata Ministries)
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To: yoe
If Hillary were so bad, she wouldn't get re-elected to the Senate. We'll see in 06.

If the GOP can't even mount an effective counter-candidate to challenge her in the Senate race, who will they have in 08?

Like it or not, Hillary is the one to beat in the Dem primaries, and so far, none of the wannabes seem to have the stuff to take her on and win.

Like it or not, Hillary is probably the one to beat in the 08 race, and so far, the GOP list of wannabes seem to lack the stuff to take her on and win. So far, some 13 Pubbies have expressed definite interest in running in 08, plus names mentioned by others include Rice (who has said 'no') and Cheney (who has said 'no').

Hillary is going to be the one to beat. And that, like HER or not, it going to be tough to do. She can probably count on 95% of those who voted for Kerry, because they would vote for any Dem. She can count on the MSM to gloss over her ills and gush over her. She can count on a contingent of women from the independent voters, just because they would vote for any major female who is the top of a major political ticket.

Like it or not, it was Hillary, and not the good ole GOP, who pushed illegal immigration to the top of the pile of issues. Look for her to pick and choose more such issues after her Senate win. What does that mean? It means SHE will be the one setting the issues for 08, and they will be ones she knows the GOP is weak in.

She's going to be tough to beat. Too many just write her off and say 'she can't win'. They will be the ones replacing the Kerryites on the therapists' couches in 08. I sincerely hope someone does rise in the opposition ranks who can defeat her. I just don't see anyone with the stature--most of the GOP baker's dozen wannabes won't make it to SuperTuesday, much less be able to take her on in the main election.
49 posted on 01/14/2006 6:38:39 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: grannylinedancer
This Author should repeat after me "it is easy to fool a NY Liberal into voting for Hillary, REDNECKS are much smarter, they won't fall for the Witch's lies"!

Those rednecks helped elect ole Bill for 12 years in governor's chair in Arkansas. Those rednecks helped elect ole Bill to the Presidency -- twice.

Those rednecks don't seem to be too much smarter.

It hinges on who the GOP final candidate is. If they find a strong candidate, they might have a chance. If they dig out an old tired good-ole-party loyalist, they are doing to lose this one, just like they did in 96.
50 posted on 01/14/2006 6:44:10 AM PST by TomGuy
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