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Rushdie: Islamic extremists have sexual fear - West underestimates sexual fear among Islamists
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 1/18/06 | AFP

Posted on 01/18/2006 8:31:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge

BERLIN (AFP) - British author Salman Rushdie said the West had failed to grasp the extent to which Islamic extremism was rooted in men's fear of women's sexuality.

Rushdie told German weekly magazine Stern that his latest novel, "Shalimar the Clown", dealt with the deep anxiety felt among many Islamic men about female sexual freedom and lost honor.

When asked if the book drew a link between "Islamic terror and damaged male honor", Rushdie said he saw it as a crucial, and often overlooked, point.

"The Western-Christian world view deals with the issues of guilt and salvation, a concept that is completely unimportant in the East because there is no original sin and no savior," he said, in comments printed in German.

"Instead, great importance is given to 'honor'. I consider that to be problematic. But of course it is underestimated how many Islamists consciously or unconsciously attempt to restore lost honor."

When asked why he probed the issues in his new novel in the context of a love triangle, he said: "It has a lot to do with sexual fear of women."

Rushdie, 58, said that much of the anger toward the West was provoked by that split on sexual issues.

"(It is) because Western societies do not veil their women. Because they do not defuse this potential danger," he said.

The Indian-born Rushdie, who lives in New York with his fourth wife Padma Lakshmi, told Stern that he has lived without security protection for seven or eight years.

"I go where I please," he said. "I went to India often in the last few years, which I enjoyed."

Rushdie was forced into hiding after the late Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, or religious edict, in 1989, calling for his execution because of alleged blasphemy and apostasy in his novel "The Satanic Verses".

The author had a 2.8-million-dollar bounty placed on his head by a Tehran-based foundation.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: extremists; fear; honor; humiliation; islam; islamic; islamists; pride; rushdie; sexual; sexualfear; shalimartheclown
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1 posted on 01/18/2006 8:31:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

British author Salman Rushdie, seen here in July 2005, said the West had failed to grasp the extent to which Islamic extremism was rooted in men's fear of women's sexuality.(AFP/File/Mauricio Lima)


2 posted on 01/18/2006 8:32:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Beat me by less than a minute!


3 posted on 01/18/2006 8:33:40 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: NormsRevenge

So what does he propose? That we sexually liberate Arab countries to end their suicidal ways? Maybe we need to drop dildos so that the men will get jealous and spend more time pleasing their wives/girlfriends than blowing themselves up.


4 posted on 01/18/2006 8:34:42 PM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, when you already have 1 fatwa upon you, you may as well start a collection of them. Go Salman! GO!


6 posted on 01/18/2006 8:35:56 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder if female "circumcision" related to Islam's fear of women's sexuality?


7 posted on 01/18/2006 8:36:35 PM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Apparently, Mr Rushdie likes to live his life running from machete wielding Arabs.


8 posted on 01/18/2006 8:36:49 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: NormsRevenge
The author had a 2.8-million-dollar bounty placed on his head by
a Tehran-based foundation.


IIRC, while Rushdie is still alive and well...a number of publishers and
bookdealers around the world got killed as part of the "fatwah fever".
9 posted on 01/18/2006 8:36:59 PM PST by VOA
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To: SmoothTalker

It happens... next time. ;-)


10 posted on 01/18/2006 8:41:09 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Salman, do you have a death wish?


11 posted on 01/18/2006 8:41:21 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: NormsRevenge
I have a picture of Salman running around the world without security protection.

Either he's dumber than we think, or he thinks we're dumber than we think.

(....got that?)

Leni

12 posted on 01/18/2006 8:42:11 PM PST by MinuteGal (Ahoy there! - "FReeps Ahoy 4" will embark for the Caribbean. The cruise thread is up and running!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wasn't this obvious?


13 posted on 01/18/2006 8:48:25 PM PST by elli1
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To: NormsRevenge

I wouldn't get all excited about Rushdie. He may hate Islam, but he's still a liberal.


14 posted on 01/18/2006 8:49:03 PM PST by Northeastern_Realist
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To: brwnsuga

Yes.


15 posted on 01/18/2006 8:53:08 PM PST by what's up
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To: NormsRevenge

I figured out that Muslims had sexual problems quite a while ago just from reading FR and I'm not a psychologist.


16 posted on 01/18/2006 8:55:08 PM PST by Ditter
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To: NormsRevenge

Do squishy lefties think about much of anything other than sex?


17 posted on 01/18/2006 8:55:37 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: brwnsuga
Yes, unfortunately I think it's the old school "but what if they enjoy it!!!??" mentality. Which, in this case leads to "but what if they enjoy it more than we do!!??", and that in turn leads to scrapping off the genitals to make sure the woman isn't "doing" the man (because now she can't feel anything), if you know what I mean.

What a gross topic!!!
18 posted on 01/18/2006 9:46:09 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: NormsRevenge

I believe the concept of "lost honor" is the key here, rather than severe cases of Little Dickism (although I'm sure there's a lot of that going around too.)

I've never seen it explicitly stated, but I suspect that many Muslim men are more concerned that their wives and daughters be veiled, rather than that random Muslim females or Western women be veiled. If other men commit adultery in their hearts with "their" women, they have lost their honor, and must take revenge. The women are handiest and easiest to punish. Of course the whole society has to enforce the standards of modesty, or individual men won't be able to make "their" women toe the line and cover up their female identity. Thus the attacks on random women who dare to expose female faces or shapes.

I can only say, if I were a Muslim woman rather than an American, I'd be severely tempted to post naked pictures of myself (with the face obscured) on the internet, thereby cuckholding my assinine, dictatorial "husband" as many times as possible.


19 posted on 01/18/2006 9:53:08 PM PST by edweena
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To: NormsRevenge
Rushdie, 58, said that much of the anger toward the West was provoked by that split on sexual issues.

Which explains the success of the West.

20 posted on 01/18/2006 10:14:29 PM PST by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility………Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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To: NormsRevenge
.....his latest novel, "Shalimar the Clown", dealt with the deep anxiety felt among many Islamic men about female sexual freedom and lost honor.

Incoming fatwa!

21 posted on 01/18/2006 10:16:53 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: theDentist

bookmk ping , and great post theDentist,

two yrs ago,right before Thanksgiving on a dreary NYC day

Salman was walking toward me on West 44th St

baseball hat,sunglasses,huge overcoat

I stuck out my hand as I greeted him with "Hey Baby"
he slapped me five , made my week


22 posted on 01/18/2006 10:25:09 PM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: NormsRevenge
PR Karen Hudges should get Rushie aboard. Seems that area may be a big part of the problem in Iraq and can be neutralized.

I wonder, just what is Karen's approach?

23 posted on 01/18/2006 10:34:33 PM PST by duckln
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To: nopardons
Bump, or bttt as you prefer.

What do you think? Interesting I thought.

24 posted on 01/18/2006 11:12:11 PM PST by duckln
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To: NormsRevenge

When you follow a cult started by a pedophile, you get what you deserve.


25 posted on 01/19/2006 12:36:03 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: NormsRevenge

You will recall that one of the early acts in this past few years US terror activity was the release of Anthrax at a newspaper which killed at least one person. That building housed the tabloid "Globe".

A few weeks before that attack I read an article in the "Globe" explaining why Osama was so anti-American. One reason they said was that an American women he dated, deeply insulted his "manhood". At the time I remember thinking, oh boy, Osama isn't going to like this. Then a few weeks latter, poff, Anthrax.

Girls/woman, all I can say is let em down easy, be kind. You may start the next war if you don't.


26 posted on 01/19/2006 12:46:33 AM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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To: edweena
I can only say, if I were a Muslim woman rather than an American, I'd be severely tempted to post naked pictures of myself

oh come on go ahead and post them anyway!If you do not post them on the internet you can just go ahead and freepmail me the pics :-D

27 posted on 01/19/2006 12:52:44 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Instead, great importance is given to 'honor'. I consider that to be problematic. But of course it is underestimated how many Islamists consciously or unconsciously attempt to restore lost honor."

This is pretty much the key to understanding pretty much all of the problems of the Arab Mideast. Take the Arab-Israeli conflict - much of it stems from the "dishonor" of having Muslim lands ruled by "infidels".

28 posted on 01/19/2006 1:04:17 AM PST by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Maybe they need a telethon to find a cure for premature jihadulation..


29 posted on 01/19/2006 1:41:03 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Drop 'shrinking' gas over Iran, for starters.


30 posted on 01/19/2006 2:50:46 AM PST by hershey
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To: NormsRevenge
Hey muzzies: You have no chance. Zero. Image hosted by Photobucket.com
31 posted on 01/19/2006 2:57:49 AM PST by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds reasonable to me.....


32 posted on 01/19/2006 3:03:21 AM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: The Drowning Witch

Ping!


33 posted on 01/19/2006 3:04:03 AM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Can't happen. The Muzzies do FGM, so there will be no 'pleasing' of their partners.

Animals.

34 posted on 01/19/2006 5:26:05 AM PST by doberville
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To: satchmodog9

Ever see "Kentucky Fried Movie"? This guy reminds me of the thrill seeker... Dons a helmet and hockey armor...runs into a mosque and yells "Dunecoons" and hauls rectum out the door with turbans in chase.


35 posted on 01/19/2006 6:51:26 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: NormsRevenge

I too have a sexual fear of Islamics. They multiply like maggots.


36 posted on 01/19/2006 6:59:12 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: R.W.Ratikal

Actually maggots grow up one day. Jihadi's don't.


37 posted on 01/19/2006 7:13:04 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: brwnsuga

That is not so much an Islamic thing as an African one. Islamics in the rest of the world don't do it.


38 posted on 01/19/2006 7:17:31 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: edweena

I like you already....lol


39 posted on 01/19/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: NormsRevenge

Religions based on control of women's sex organs tend toward the totalitarian. Salman Rushdie's right on this one...


40 posted on 01/19/2006 7:37:43 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: starbase

And what if they enjoy it so much they go and enjoy it with someone else? What if they enjoy it with someone else more than they enjoy it with me?


41 posted on 01/19/2006 7:39:04 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The sexual stuff aside, to me this is the money quote.

"The Western-Christian world view deals with the issues of guilt and salvation, a concept that is completely unimportant in the East”

It is critical to remember that in Islam you can’t simply ask Allah for forgiveness, he requires action not remorse. Mohammed was a prophet not a savior so you can’t ask him for forgiveness or salvation either.

However the Koran does offer a path to salvation and redemption through jihad. Engaging in jihad is the only way to be forgiven for all your past sins.

This is an often an overlooked element of Islam, but it does explain some things .

42 posted on 01/19/2006 8:39:07 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: brwnsuga
Yes it is. But it not universally practiced in the Islamic world. Many of the most conservative tribes of the Arabian Peninsula consider the practice to be barbaric.
There might be a great deal of sexual fear among Muslim men, but I think Islamic extremists are primarily motivated by the possibility of rewards in the afterlife and by being thought of as a "heroes" by their family and peers.
43 posted on 01/19/2006 11:59:41 AM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: brwnsuga
"I wonder if female "circumcision" related to Islam's fear of women's sexuality?"

Absolutely.

Carolyn

44 posted on 01/19/2006 12:05:24 PM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: gleeaikin

There are too many "coincidences" connecting some of the 9-11 bunch with that anthrax attack, just as there are also too many connections with Middle-Eastern types and the OKC bombing.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 12:06:18 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: brwnsuga

You must've forgotten the sarcasm tag. For what other purpose could it be used?

Maybe it is just better off that the women lie about the pleasure, anyway.


46 posted on 01/19/2006 12:11:03 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: swain_forkbeard
And what if they enjoy it so much they go and enjoy it with someone else? What if they enjoy it with someone else more than they enjoy it with me?

Yes, the controller's emotional needs are bounteous.
47 posted on 01/19/2006 2:06:43 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
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Excerpts: Islamic extremism sex rooted.

+++THE DAILY STAR (Lebanon) 19 Jan.'06

"West underestimates sexual fear among Islamists says Rushdie" by Agence France Presse

QUOTES FROM TEXT:
"Rusdie says the West has failed to grasp the extent to which Islamic extremism was rooted in men's fear of women's sexuality"

"When asked if (his) book drew a link between 'Islamic terror and damaged male honor,' Rushdie said he saw it as a crucial, and often overlooked, point,"

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FULL TEXT:

BERLIN: British author Salman Rushdie said the West had failed to grasp the extent to which Islamic extremism was rooted in men's fear of women's sexuality, in an interview to be published Thursday. Rushdie told German weekly magazine Stern that his latest novel, "Shalimar the Clown," dealt with the deep anxiety felt among many Islamic men about female sexual freedom and lost honor. When asked if the book drew a link between "Islamic terror and damaged male honor," Rushdie said he saw it as a crucial, and often overlooked, point.

"The Western-Christian world view deals with the issues of guilt and salvation, a concept that is completely unimportant in the East because there is no original sin and no savior," the author said, in comments printed in German.

"Instead, great importance is given to 'honor.' I consider that to be problematic. But of course it is underestimated how many Islamists consciously or unconsciously attempt to restore lost honor."

When asked why he probed the issues in his new novel in the context of a love triangle, he said: "It has a lot to do with sexual fear of women."

Rushdie, 58, said that much of the anger toward the West was provoked by that split on sexual issues. "(It is) because Western societies do not veil their women. Because they do not defuse this potential danger," he said. The Indian-born Rushdie, who lives in New York with his fourth wife Padma Lakshmi, told Stern that he has lived without security protection for seven or eight years.

"I go where I please," he said. "I went to India often in the last few years, which I enjoyed."

Rushdie was forced into hiding after the late Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, or religious edict, in 1989, calling for his execution because of alleged blasphemy and apostasy in his novel "The Satanic Verses".

The author had a 2.8-million-dollar bounty placed on his head by an Iranian foundation. - AFP

48 posted on 01/22/2006 7:36:53 AM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: brwnsuga

Of course female circumcision is related to misogyny. 'Control women' is all-encompasing. Only Judeo-Christianity, among the great religions, elevates women as child-bearers and puts them within the protective circle of the husband-protected family.


49 posted on 01/22/2006 7:54:16 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: gleeaikin

Damn.... that is a interesting point if your facts are correct.


50 posted on 01/22/2006 8:02:11 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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