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Germany - Dead whale left outside embassy
BBC News ^ | January 19, 2006

Posted on 01/19/2006 3:04:48 AM PST by HAL9000

A huge beached whale has been dumped outside the Japanese embassy in Berlin. in a Greenpeace anti-whaling protest.

The controversial environmental activists hauled the fin whale to Berlin from the Baltic coast after finding it beached on a sandbank.

The dead whale measured 17 metres (56 ft) long and weighed 20 tons.

Activists are trying to demonstrate that there is no need to kill the mammals for research - as Japan does - because cadavers can be found.

Japan is expected to kill 935 minke whales in the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary during the first four months of 2006.

The International Whaling Commission imposed a moratorium on commercial whaling in 1986, but Japan resumed whale hunting the following year.

Critics dispute Japan's claim to be whaling for scientific purposes, saying whale meat often ends up on restaurant tables.

A Greenpeace banner in Berlin read: "Science doesn't need harpoons! Stop the senseless whaling!"

The fin whale in Berlin - between 10 and 20 years old - is believed to have got lost in the Baltic while looking for herring. Its normal habitat is the North Atlantic.

The whale is due to be taken to Stralsund on the coast for scientific examination after the Greenpeace protest.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berlin; germany; greenpeace; japan; peta; whale; whaling

1 posted on 01/19/2006 3:04:49 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

So killing a whale for research and food is bad, but using a dead whale to make a political statement is good?


2 posted on 01/19/2006 3:06:08 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: HAL9000
November 12, 1970 - The Infamous Exploding Whale
3 posted on 01/19/2006 3:07:33 AM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Don't try to think about it too hard or your brain will blow up.
4 posted on 01/19/2006 3:08:47 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (1. You are drunk. 2. This is not a waltz. 3. I am not a woman; I'm the Cardinal Archbishop of Lima.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Agreed. The convoluted "logic" of watermelons is amazing.


5 posted on 01/19/2006 3:10:33 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: HAL9000

Saw photos of Japaneese whaling boats killing whales the other day.
Japs should be ashamed as many of these whales have more brains then many Japaneese.


6 posted on 01/19/2006 3:20:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Excuse me? It’s not twisted logic at all. The protestors didn’t kill the whale they used, which is their point. You might disagree with them but their argument makes sense (from their point of view).


7 posted on 01/19/2006 3:20:54 AM PST by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport

That is a lovely opinion for you to have.


8 posted on 01/19/2006 3:22:31 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: HAL9000

Ted Kennedy went to Germany? My condolences to his family.


9 posted on 01/19/2006 3:24:34 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
That is a lovely opinion for you to have.

Way to attack the poster but not his argument.

10 posted on 01/19/2006 3:27:24 AM PST by psychoknk
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To: psychoknk

How is that any kind of an attack? WTF? If anything, his initial post to me is an attack on my argument. Nice friggin convoluted logic, or complete and utter lack thereof.

Have a nice day!


11 posted on 01/19/2006 3:29:39 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: djf

Nope. Couldn't be Kennedy. He is of the species orcinus orca, commonly known as a killer whale. The whale in the article is too big to be an orca.


12 posted on 01/19/2006 3:31:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: HAL9000

LOL - That's a classic, and certainly belongs on the thread.


13 posted on 01/19/2006 3:33:40 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: HAL9000

The Germans should haul them into court for creating a 20 ton public health problem.


14 posted on 01/19/2006 3:35:30 AM PST by libertylover (Bush spied. Terrorists died.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
>Way to attack the poster but not his argument.

If anything, his initial post to me is an attack on my argument.

As it should be. Nice reading comprehension. Basically, you tried to invalidate the post and the author of it rather than discuss the logic of the statement. To respond to your initial statement:

So killing a whale for research and food is bad, but using a dead whale to make a political statement is good?

Basically, yes. The activists are opposed to killing whales. They don't care what happens to a whale once it is dead. Their point, if you read the article, is "that there is no need to kill the mammals for research - as Japan does - because cadavers can be found." They also "dispute Japan's claim to be whaling for scientific purposes, saying whale meat often ends up on restaurant tables." I have read a bit about the issue, and it seems like Japanese are using dubious research to justify whale hunting.

15 posted on 01/19/2006 3:44:50 AM PST by psychoknk
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To: HAL9000

I really hate "environmental activists" and those like them. I'd gladly go to hell if I were assured that a couple of them would be chained to me.


16 posted on 01/19/2006 3:45:08 AM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Hmmm. Too big to be an Orca.

But not too big to be a Kennedy!
17 posted on 01/19/2006 3:45:54 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: psychoknk

That is a lovely opinion for you to have.


18 posted on 01/19/2006 3:46:43 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: Fresh Wind

Besides, he already proved he can float, at Chappaquidick...


19 posted on 01/19/2006 3:47:29 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Jaysun

yep, but the real question is how do you just drop this big a thing on a doorstep at an embassy? dont embassies have video cameras? nobody noticed this whale riding on the back of a very large truck? again, unloading this behemoth took some time, but nobody saw this? ah well, i suspect lots of people are blind.


20 posted on 01/19/2006 3:49:00 AM PST by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: HAL9000
That's hilarious video! At first, I thought your link was to the one with the whale on the flatbed trailer in Taiwan when it burst and launched guts all over the street. Too bad for this guy's scooter!


21 posted on 01/19/2006 3:50:19 AM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: djf
Ted Kennedy went to Germany?

My first thought: "Anyone seen Ted since last week?" :)

22 posted on 01/19/2006 3:50:56 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: FostersExport
In order to credit their point of view I have to have some respect for it. Personally I have a big problem with respecting the point of view of someone who is basing their policy arguments on emotion rather than fact.

They are entitled to their opinion, and I am entitled to think them fools for holding it.

What has happened to the world that we no longer try to differentiate between good ideas and bad, sound logic and foolishness, reason and emotion? The greenpeace people are a minority of fools who believe themselves more enlightened than we unwashed masses, and therefore deem themselves the only ones worthy of setting a policy.

Nonsense.

23 posted on 01/19/2006 3:51:33 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Jaysun

If you had a couple of them chained to you, you'd be pretty close...LOL!


24 posted on 01/19/2006 3:52:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: tcostell

Hey, I certainly don’t agree with everything Greenpeace have to say. I was just pointing out their demonstration did not invalidate the point they were making. I don’t get passionate about saving the whale. But are the Japanese hunting them for scientific research? Of course not.


25 posted on 01/19/2006 3:55:10 AM PST by FostersExport
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To: HAL9000

"Thank you, Japan. We'll miss you...and your sparkling, whale-free seas!" (Bart Simpson)


26 posted on 01/19/2006 3:57:05 AM PST by Calico Cat
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To: FostersExport
You might disagree with them but their argument makes sense (from their point of view).

Yep. I disagree with them. Many things make "sense" to them from their point of view which won't hold water in the real world.

Without getting gushy over cetaceans because they breathe air, the fact remains that populations of cetaceans, like any other animal, can be harvested and conserved, and studied in the process to keep the herd healthy. No different from hunting deer or rabbits, or whatever.

As for the meat ending up in restaurants, I should hope so. It is a way to fund the research, and keeps the meat from going to rot. That would be a waste, which I find abhorrent.

27 posted on 01/19/2006 3:59:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: IamConservative

I am torn by the difference between John, Bobby and Ted.

I was alive when John was elected, and when he was assasinated.

No matter what happened in their pants, I still think they were honorable men.

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

We need challenges like that. Not just challenges that "I'm gonna kill anybody that gets in my face"

The cold war is over. Now, we must do what is right.


28 posted on 01/19/2006 4:08:00 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

How clever.


29 posted on 01/19/2006 4:12:55 AM PST by psychoknk
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To: djf
I am torn by the difference between John, Bobby and Ted.

I wondered myself as I watcehd last week. I think what you see in Ted is man that has sold out. He traded every shred of dignity and principle to those that could and do give him power. I have wondered to if he is not still beholden to those who helped him walk away from a capital offense. Either way, he is sold out.

30 posted on 01/19/2006 4:18:29 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: son of caesar
yep, but the real question is how do you just drop this big a thing on a doorstep at an embassy? dont embassies have video cameras? nobody noticed this whale riding on the back of a very large truck? again, unloading this behemoth took some time, but nobody saw this? ah well, i suspect lots of people are blind.

I see your point. But it isn't just the whale. I don't understand why these communist bastards and their pals are allowed to raise hell all over the world.

Nobody else does the kind of things they do.

I disagree with a lot of things but you don't see me dragging Lenin's corpse to the DNC, or chaining myself to a monument of the Ten Commandments, or splashing vegan lesbians with vegetable soup, or setting fire to hemp farms in Canada. I loathe these stupid bastards and relish the day I happen upon one of their "demonstrations" in person.
31 posted on 01/19/2006 4:20:33 AM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
If you had a couple of them chained to you, you'd be pretty close...LOL!

Good point. But not for long.......although I guess having two corpses chained to yourself wouldn't be a picnic either.
32 posted on 01/19/2006 4:23:27 AM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: psychoknk

Have a nice day!


33 posted on 01/19/2006 4:30:31 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (I'm doing the best I ever did, I'm doing the best that I can, now go away!)
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To: Jaysun

Eventually, they would 'drop out'....


34 posted on 01/19/2006 4:34:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: FostersExport
You might disagree with them but their argument makes sense (from their point of view).

Because whales die acceidently, they shouldn't be killed.

Captain Logic not steering that boat.

35 posted on 01/19/2006 4:42:30 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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To: IamConservative

Precisely. I watched John on tv during the Cuban Missile crisis. I remember my mom crying out "Oh no, not again" during the 68 Democratic convention.

I hate the whole "I'm a pubbie so you are sludge" mentality. Or vice versa.


36 posted on 01/19/2006 4:43:23 AM PST by djf
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To: HAL9000

Did something happen to Ted Kennedy???


37 posted on 01/19/2006 4:47:39 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: HAL9000

"Bones, you and Scotty work on finding some transparant aluminum, Chekov, you and Ohura find the nuclear wessels. Spock and I are going to find the whales and drop some LDS. Once we're in orbit we'll photon torpedo Japan for causing this mess."
38 posted on 01/19/2006 4:48:53 AM PST by Rebelbase (Whew! Another year until the cursed green bean casserole strikes again!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I lothe enviros, but Japan does NOT kill the whales for research. 100% of the meat ends up in the fish markets. So much for Asian "honor" and "saving face". They're liars, and if they want to hunt the whales for food, then say so, either do it, or farm them so they have a large future supply.


39 posted on 01/19/2006 5:03:48 AM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: HAL9000
Notwithstanding the anti-enviro whacko sentiment (which I share on most "green" issues), the whaling thing is different. Whales are pretty much sentient creatures, on par if not higher than dolphins even. Hunting them somehow turns my stomach.

Besides, many schools of whales totally disappear part of the year. Scientists have no clue where they go. Breeding and harvesting them may not be as straightfwd as some here suggest.
40 posted on 01/19/2006 5:11:12 AM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: HAL9000

Haul it away. Track down the offenders and send them the bill for the cleanup. Then throw them all in jail for littering.


41 posted on 01/19/2006 5:13:51 AM PST by IronJack
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To: HAL9000

Scientific examination? What could be gained from studying Michael Moore's remains?


42 posted on 01/19/2006 5:21:06 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Clock King
but Japan does NOT kill the whales for research.

Have a link to any proof? I am not disagreeing, just want some proof.

43 posted on 01/19/2006 5:21:07 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Back from a suspension I never knew about!)
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To: HAL9000; Salvation
Salvation, they just won't let Oregon forget a mere 500 pounds of dynamite mistake.
44 posted on 01/19/2006 5:21:55 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Squeako

LOL! What a great picture. Check out the guy's reaction standing next to the moped. I wonder if it's his bike?


45 posted on 01/19/2006 5:26:05 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Oztrich Boy

"Because whales die acceidently, they shouldn't be killed."

Depends what you're killing them for. Research? I'd love to know what research their doing which requires the number of whales they kill. It's not like they're testing mass market products on the whales.

Food? Well then already-dead whales won't do. But supposedly food isn't the primary need.


46 posted on 01/19/2006 5:50:38 AM PST by FostersExport
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I'll dig it up if I can (I know reports on this have been done in the past, where the whales after being "researched" showed up in the fish markets), but shear logic says you don't need to kill 935 whales per year to do research on the whales. BTW, what are they claiming to be researching anyway? Obviously, not the whales' migratory patterns or anatomy. New medicines made from the whales? So much for the so-called saving face.


47 posted on 01/19/2006 7:18:49 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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