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report: HUNDREDS turned away as Ann Coulter ENERGIZES packed house at Loyola Marymount - PHOTOS!
Voice of controversy [ANN COULTER begins YAF tour @ Loyola L.A.: Coming soon to a college near YOU!] ^ | January 20, 2006 | RonDog [and FRiends]

Posted on 01/20/2006 5:58:42 PM PST by RonDog

FReepers and bloggers on hand to provide THEIR commentary (and PHOTOS!)
HUNDREDS turned away as
Ann Coulter ENERGIZES a "standing room only" crowd at LMU

(James Carville, not quite ready for prime time, also present; unsuccessfully tries out new material)
The following "Letter from the Editors" (printed in the program for last night's event) set the tone for the entire evening:
"...Many people say that this a politically apathetic campus.

They say that LMU students don't care don't care about worldly issues. The critics believe that this evening will be a failure. They think that students won't show up for this once in a lifetime event. They think that we wont't be mature enough to allow the speakers to express their views. They don't think that this university is ready to join the elites.

But on Thursday night, we the student body of LMU will once again prove our critics wrong.

The university is having an awakening, and this event will be an indication of what's to come.

We will greet two of the biggest names in politics with dignity and respect..."

Well, they certainly got THAT part right!
It must be a RELIGIOUS school thing. :o)
If last night's event was a test, LMU passed with flying colors! Not only did they prove that they had good manners, they turned out in MUCH LARGER numbers than the nay-sayers had predicted, completely overwhelming the tiny venue chosen this FIRST of what now may be MANY similar events.

Both Ann and the Serpenthead seem to have been surprised by the very different (i.e., thoughtful, and RESPECTFUL) kind of audience that they encountered last night during their "back-to-back" appearances at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles last night, which were part of "First Ammendment Week," sponsored by the LMU student newspaper, the Loyolan.

Not sure about Carville, but I understand that Ann generally encounters a MUCH DIFFERENT reception on a OTHER college campi -- where she has had to deal with pie-throwing goons, and disruptors blasting loud music through the PA system during her speech, to drown out her voice.

Our small group of FReepers (and FRiends of Ann) who were able to get inside saw virtually NO protestors outside, and only TWO (rather lame) attempts to heckle her inside...
More soon.


TOPICS: Announcements; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aar; anncoulter; coulter; highereducation; loyola; yaf
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To: RonDog
That last photo, of the audience...

Q. "Why are these men smiling?"

Cheers!

51 posted on 01/20/2006 9:34:19 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RonDog
But it is good that people listened politely and respectfully to both. I often think that the one thing that defeats the left is when we can get people to actually listen to what they are saying; the Dems have had some talented operatives and bomb throwers, but when folks will actually LISTEN and think about what they are saying THEN they realize that the only things Clinton did that worked were stolen from the Republicans, etc...
52 posted on 01/20/2006 9:52:36 PM PST by RedStateRocker
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To: RonDog

Great report -- thanks for sharing.


53 posted on 01/20/2006 9:56:31 PM PST by Angelwood (FReepers are Everywhere! We Support Our Troops! (Hillary's Vast Rt Wg Conspiracy))
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To: RonDog
The kids at Loyola do tend to be better mannered than their secular university counterparts and I am glad that that was your experience.

The fury you see unleashed at conservatives from secular university students comes straight from Hell.

There used to be crosses in every classroom and some of the priests started class with prayer, I hope that is still the case.

I am very happy that you visited Loyola and had a good experience there, I loved my time there.

54 posted on 01/20/2006 10:37:16 PM PST by pbear8 (I have to wait until Monday for '24'!!!! =()
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To: RonDog

Bumpity bump


55 posted on 01/20/2006 10:41:10 PM PST by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: RonDog

From the way the two speakers are dressed you can determine who respects their audience and who thinks they are better than their audience.


56 posted on 01/21/2006 4:59:12 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrats would rather whine than win)
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To: RonDog

57 posted on 01/21/2006 5:20:38 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: kimosabe31
In case you missed that scene, that was the day after the 06 elections.

During the run up, he repeatedly and confidently predicted a solid victory for Kerry.

On live National TV, he smashed an egg on his face. - The man is an idiot
58 posted on 01/21/2006 7:14:43 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ABN 505
I notice that she is labeled as a columnist, as in any number of liberal trash at the NYT.

Strangely, there is no mention of her graduating with honors from an Ivy League college of Law, or her status as a lawyer.


59 posted on 01/21/2006 7:22:31 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Wowzers! The YAFfers are doing excellent work these days. :-)
Hi, CCC!
While the Young Americas Foundation was instrumental in arrranging for Ann's visit here, and while I understand that they paid for PART of Ann's fee for this appearance...
...it was Natalie Nordseth (and the REST of the staff at the Loyolan) who did MOST of the heavy lifting on this event.
As I understand it, the YAFers usuallly co-ordinate with the local College Republicans to invite Ann, but in this case, the LMU CRs were not (yet!) organized well enough to do it.
In the words of Braveheart's William Wallace:
"We shall have to remedy that."

60 posted on 01/21/2006 8:01:26 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RegulatorCountry
Carville's 'lovely' choice of evening attire is possibly a throw back to his multiple years as an undergraduate student at LSU (Louisiana State University) and his proximity to what used to be New Orleans and Mardis Gras.

The colors of purple, green and gold are the traditional colors of Mardis Gras.

Kind of tacky for the person / place and purpose of the function.. At least a sport coat and shirt if not a tie..
61 posted on 01/21/2006 9:21:07 AM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: RonDog
Indexing RELATED threads:
report:
HUNDREDS turned away as Ann Coulter ENERGIZES packed house at Loyola Marymount
- PHOTOS!

  Posted by RonDog
On News/Activism 01/20/2006 5:58:42 PM PST · 60 replies · 3,625+ views


Voice of controversy [ANN COULTER begins YAF tour @ Loyola L.A.: Coming soon to a college near YOU!] ^ | January 20, 2006 | RonDog [and FRiends]
 

Voice of controversy
[ANN COULTER begins YAF tour @ Loyola L.A.: Coming soon to a college near YOU!]

  Posted by RonDog
On News/Activism 01/18/2006 6:00:34 PM PST · 74 replies · 1,582+ views


Los Angeles LOYOLAN ^ | 11/30/05 | Rachel Jones

62 posted on 01/21/2006 9:59:13 AM PST by RonDog
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To: grey_whiskers
That last photo, of the audience...

Q. "Why are these men smiling?"

LOL!

That would be THESE lucky guys, who got in to see Ann - fourth row, center!


Click to see a LARGER image
Jeffers Dodge, RonDog, Clark Baker

Jeffers did not get the "wear a BRIGHT RED shirt, so that Ann can see us" memo. :o)

63 posted on 01/21/2006 10:08:48 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Jeffers Dodge
You can check out his BLOG here:
mediadrool.com
And you can read his BIOGRAPHY here:
jeffersdodge.com

64 posted on 01/21/2006 10:20:45 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Clark Baker
You can check out his BLOG here:
exlibhollywood.blogspot.com
And you can read his BIOGRAPHY here:
exlibhollywood.blogspot.com/2005/05/whats-in-name.html

65 posted on 01/21/2006 10:23:42 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog

bttt


66 posted on 01/21/2006 10:25:54 AM PST by bmwcyle (As the left takes to the streets the too many lazy Freeper sleep)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
From the pre-FReep thread:
To: Republicus2001

During Carville’s opening statements he was explaining his credentials. Carville was bragging about his ‘4.0’ in school. Which we found out was his blood alcohol level during graduation. It didn’t seem to bother him that he always got D’s and F’s in college because in the end it really didn’t matter after what the demarcate party has done for him today. One student stood up and told him how she wanted to be just like him, there was a large applause in the audience. He explained how he was very disappointed that he didn’t take a masturbation class because he would have gotten an ‘A’ in that class.

Carville stated many times how corrupt the Bush administration is as though it ONLY happens in the Bush administration. One example of his many lies was when he stated that only one person from the Clinton administration went to prison.

To his credit Carville was straight forward and on point. In short much easier understood than Coulter. Coulter made dozens of good and interesting points but she said them in such a way you REALLY had to keep up with politics to know what she was saying. Even my wife had to ask me what she was talking about a couple times.

There was some heckling from the back against Coulter and a staged ‘walk out’ of about 10 people. Most of the people were respectful but there was some serious anger in the room.

I believe Ann Coulter is great, I never seen her live before tonight. I think she was distracted or tired. She did make a great comeback when one student said she was taking a critical thinking and rhetorical reading class and yet she was reading from a pamphlet and really knocking Coulter hard (the student took it to a personal level.) Ann simply asked her why are you reading from a pamphlet if you are taking that class?

Another comeback was when a student asked a long question part of it asking her, why she is trying to take women’s right of speech away? Coulter responded paraphrased, “why would I do that? That is how I earn my living and everything else you asked is simply moronic.”

Twice Ann didn’t answer the question that was given to her. This is why I think she was tired or distracted. For example one guy stood up and gave her a softball question, in my opinion. He said, ‘Carville and yourself show the extremes in both parties, what about people like me that are in the middle?’
Ann answered by saying how lunatic fringe the Demarcate party is today. A student stood up (out of order) and said, “You don’t listen, do you? Why don’t you answer his question?” Ann replied, “I did.”

The loudest response of the night came when a student asked Ann something like, ‘I respect the first amendment but don’t you feel anything when you use your rhetoric to hurt good people while you are making millions from what you say?’ (I don’t remember what Ann said but she did NOT answer the question.) Here is an article on this in the Laloyolan (school paper):

Students fill Burns Back Court for Carville and Coulter

70 posted on 01/20/2006 3:51:01 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)

THANK YOU for that COMPREHENSIVE report, Steve!
67 posted on 01/21/2006 10:31:39 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Looking gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!


68 posted on 01/21/2006 10:32:16 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: RonDog
I believe Ann Coulter is great, I never seen her live before tonight.

I think she was distracted or tired...

Well, she has been rather busy putting the final touches on her NEW BOOK.
69 posted on 01/21/2006 10:34:00 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
See also, from www.amazon.com:
The New Ann Coulter (Hardcover)
by Ann Coulter
Availability: This title will be released on June 6, 2006.
You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.

Product Details

  • Hardcover: 384 pages
  • Publisher: Crown Forum (June 6, 2006)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN: 1400054206

70 posted on 01/21/2006 10:36:18 AM PST by RonDog
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Looking gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood!
:o)
71 posted on 01/21/2006 10:36:56 AM PST by RonDog
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To: bmwcyle; Angelwood; kristinn; sauropod; tgslTakoma; ironman; BillF
bttt
Thanks!
So, do you guys plan to see Ann when she comes to Washington, DC on February 10?

72 posted on 01/21/2006 10:41:22 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog

I was there at the Santa Monica event! Yip!


73 posted on 01/21/2006 10:43:50 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Boorrrringg ...)
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To: RonDog
Another comeback was when a student asked a long question part of it asking her, why she is trying to take women’s right of speech away?
The student was referring to some of the inflammatory quotes that had been printed in the program that was handed out as everyone arrived, like THIS one:
...On women's suffrage

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact.

In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 -- except Goldwater in '64 -- the Republicans would have won, if only the men had voted."

The FIRST time that Ann replied to that question, she did not understand why it had been asked, as she had NOT made that particular statement in the speech she had just given, and she did not know about the quotes that had been printed in the program.

Later, she came back to that question, providing a SHORT answer, and a LONGER answer.

SHORT answer:

I just gave a speech praising the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq -- where MILLIONS of women are now able to vote for the very first time.
LONGER answer:
Regardless of what you think about allowing women to vote -- it is an irrefutable fact that if only MEN had voted, Republicans would have won every Presidential election in the last fifty years -- except LBJ -- so we only would have lost ONE war. :o)
This is merely acknowledging the so-called "gender gap," and the fact that Democrats have consistently been weak on national defense.
Divorce, she explained, and the dramatic increase in promiscuous premarital sex, are the primary causes of this "gender gap."

If women cannot depend on MEN, then they have to depend on GOVERNMENT -- so as more single mothers vote for more social spending, to replace the support that they are NOT getting from the men in their lives, the Democrats win.


74 posted on 01/21/2006 11:04:59 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog; All
How is this?


75 posted on 01/21/2006 11:05:02 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: RonDog
It may just be the lighting but Carvel's face looks thin the kind of look that people with wasting diseases get. I mainly disagree with him and he does come up with some tough-nut arguments but I worry for anyone who is sick.
76 posted on 01/21/2006 11:13:29 AM PST by fella ("(News) should be the maximum of information & minimum of comment." - Cobden)
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To: BunnySlippers
I was there at the Santa Monica event! Yip!
I remember!
Sorry that we could not invite you to THIS event, as we had a DEVIL of a time just getting THREE of us (non-students) in. :(
As I noted previously, THIS event was just a test. NOBODY (at the university) thought that so many people would show up for a POLITICAL event, particularly for a political event with a CONSERVATIVE speaker.
Now that they know that it will work, Natalie plans to have OTHER political events -- in a MUCH LARGER venue -- and to allow NON-students to attend.

I told her that she could charge non-students $10 or $20 each, and make the next event a FUNDRAISER for the university, or for their college newspaper.

And, even if the Loyolan does not want to do this -- the newly-invigorated LMU CRs will! :o)


77 posted on 01/21/2006 11:14:34 AM PST by RonDog
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To: ChadGore
How is this?
Yowsah!
78 posted on 01/21/2006 11:16:43 AM PST by RonDog
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To: UPcrawfish
Carville's 'lovely' choice of evening attire is possibly a throw back to his multiple years as an undergraduate student at LSU (Louisiana State University) and his proximity to what used to be New Orleans and Mardis Gras.

Ol' Serpenthead was just TARGET PRACTICE for Ann's NEXT appearance in Los Angeles: with Al FrankenFraud.

From www.uj.edu:

2006 Public Lecture Series

 

Monday, January 30
John Edwards
& Newt Gingrich

 

 

Monday, February 27
Colin Powell

 

Monday, March 27
Al Franken
& Ann Coulter

 

Monday, April 24
George Stephanopoulos interviews Wesley Clark, Tom Ridge & Natan Sharansky

 
Tickets go on sale, Monday September 19, 2005 Series Subscription: $225 310 440-1246
7:30pm
at the Gibson Amphitheatre

79 posted on 01/21/2006 11:19:12 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Ann is still a cutie, but in that pic she's showing her age a bit. Not saying she's old, not at all, but she is showing her age (44) moreso than she had even a couple years ago. Maybe it's just not a great picture. She also needs to dye her roots!!


80 posted on 01/21/2006 11:23:22 AM PST by RockinRight (Hey RNC-the GOP is the party of Reagan, not FDR!)
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To: RonDog
The only problem with Ann's NEXT appearance here in the Los Angeles area (after THIS one)...
...is that you have to buy ALL FOUR parts of that "Speakers Series" -- at $225 per person -- just to see her squash Al Franken like a bug.
It may be possible, however, to arrange for some ALTERNATIVE way to see Ann when she is in L.A. in March...
...since she will have MORE TIME, as her new book will allready be on its way to the publishers.
We are WORKING on it. :o)

81 posted on 01/21/2006 11:24:44 AM PST by RonDog
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Carvilles got a face like he has played in one too many rugby matches.


82 posted on 01/21/2006 11:27:40 AM PST by mware (The keeper of the I's once again.)
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To: RockinRight
Ann is still a cutie, but in that pic she's showing her age a bit.
Bite your TONGUE!
Ann still look FABULOUS -- in person!
It was all the harsh lighting -- from the lights which were designed for playing BASKETBALL!

Carville also looked more ghastly than usual -- see above. :o)


83 posted on 01/21/2006 11:28:27 AM PST by RonDog
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To: fella
It may just be the lighting but Carvel's face looks thin the kind of look that people with wasting diseases get.

I mainly disagree with him and he does come up with some tough-nut arguments but I worry for anyone who is sick.

See my post 83, above -- about the harsh (basketball court) lighting.
84 posted on 01/21/2006 11:31:09 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
...the harsh (basketball court) lighting
From the pre-FReep thread, that would be THIS place:

Rec Center Back Court-Burns

This facility is located on the 2nd floor of the Burns Recreation Center. This large basketball court can be converted into any set up style desired.
Maximum Capacity 500 (theater style)
Square Feet 6784

85 posted on 01/21/2006 11:32:38 AM PST by RonDog
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To: mware
Carville's got a face like he has played in one too many rugby matches.
LOL!
It's all the meanness in his SOUL, now manifesting itself in his BODY, imho.

86 posted on 01/21/2006 11:35:05 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Ann still look FABULOUS -- in person!
O.K., I was posting rapidly, in anger. :o)

That obviously SHOULD have been:

Ann still looks FABULOUS -- in person!

87 posted on 01/21/2006 11:37:59 AM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog

You do have a point. Gymnasium lighting is never flattering.

I'll take it back!


88 posted on 01/21/2006 11:41:20 AM PST by RockinRight (Hey RNC-the GOP is the party of Reagan, not FDR!)
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To: RockinRight

:o)


89 posted on 01/21/2006 12:50:48 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog; Victoria Delsoul; NYer; Bahbah; Fruit of the Spirit; DirtyHarryY2K; little jeremiah; cgk; ..
I love you Ann Coulter – I want to have your baby if you promise not to eat it!

YUCK. That is a "LEFT" handed compliment if I ever heard one. More of a lust-based insult. I've heard of males having sex with women they dislike, this is along those lines. That was NO gentleman.
90 posted on 01/21/2006 1:05:20 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Blurblogger
YUCK. That is a "LEFT" handed compliment if I ever heard one.

More of a lust-based insult.

I agree.

I was not even going to post about that guy, but since Clark did, I thought that I would comment on it.

Sorry that we could not invite YOU to this event, either.

I had to keep this event REALLY quiet -- which as you know, is a HUGE challenge for someone with my personality -- but we had no other choice, beacuse of the tiny venue, and the university's adversion to inviting the general public.

NEXT time, however -- in March -- we intend to find a BETTER way to allow FReepers to interact with Ann, like we did the LAST time that she was out here. :o)

Here is the link that classic "Ann Coulter" thread:

NEW photos!
ANN COULTER joins the U.S. Marines [and L.A. FReepers] at party after "Late, Late Show"

Ann Coulter pics from Craig Ferguson's Late, Late Show ^ | May 24, 2005 | RonDog [and FRiends]
Posted on 05/24/2005 9:11:20 PM PDT by RonDog

NEW photos!
ANN COULTER
joins the U.S. Marines [and L.A. FReepers, and our FRiends]
at a PRIVATE PARTY after the "Late, Late Show with Craig Ferguson" taping last night!




All the MARVELOUS photos (above) are courtesy of David "SuperDave" Forbes


And, here is the GIANT (3-foot by 4-foot) card that we got for Ann,
signed by just about EVERYONE at the post-taping party:


THIS photo courtesy of Clark Baker
CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

91 posted on 01/21/2006 1:34:07 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
NEXT time, however -- in March -- we intend to find a BETTER way to allow FReepers to interact with Ann, like we did the LAST time that she was out here. :o)
This SHOULD be relatively easy to do, since she will have a little more free time for us in March, as her new book will be finished by then.
And, she SHOULD be a lot less apprehensive about how good our security will be, since we now have a TRACK RECORD for hosting an incident-free, successful event -- like the one at "Level One" after her "Late, Late Show" taping.
And, ever since the "pie-throwing," "boom box disrupting" encounters at her recent public appearances, she now travels with a BODYGUARD -- to protect her, not from US, but from anyone who might find out about where we intended to meet Ann, and try to cause trouble.
Plus, we can always invite her friends with the MARINE CORPS (above) back, to provide a little EXTRA security for that potential future meeting. :o)

92 posted on 01/21/2006 1:53:49 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RonDog
...she now travels with a BODYGUARD -- to protect her, not from US, but from anyone who might find out about where we intended to meet Ann, and try to cause trouble...

Ann, with her ever-vigilant new friend

93 posted on 01/21/2006 1:58:29 PM PST by RonDog
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To: RedStateRocker
But it is good that people listened politely and respectfully to both.

I often think that the one thing that defeats the left is when we can get people to actually listen to what they are saying;

the Dems have had some talented operatives and bomb throwers, but when folks will actually LISTEN and think about what they are saying THEN they realize that the only things Clinton did that worked were stolen from the Republicans, etc...

You got THAT right!

It WAS a challenge, however, for those of us non-LMU students -- who are by our natures a little less well-mannered -- not to jeer and harass Mr. Carville. :o)

We were VERY restrained -- for the most part.

Except that Jeffers could not prevent himself from coughing out a muffled "bullsh!t" when Carville was ranting on and on about the wonderful "Clinton economy."


94 posted on 01/21/2006 2:15:43 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Angelwood
Great report -- thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Angelwood!
I learned just about everything that I know from the "Masters of the FReep" - here:
www.DCchapter.com

95 posted on 01/21/2006 2:21:47 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Blurblogger; RonDog
After how she trashed Harriet Miers and Judge Roberts I don't think highly of her.

P.S. But I still like you, Ron. LOL.

96 posted on 01/21/2006 2:22:56 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: pbear8
There used to be crosses in every classroom and some of the priests started class with prayer,

I hope that is still the case.

Wow.

That's GREAT! And right in the heart of secular Los Angeles, too!

Let's hope that the government folks with L.A. County don't find out, though. :o)

97 posted on 01/21/2006 2:25:41 PM PST by RonDog
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To: ntnychik
"Mess in Mesopotamia!" (Who WRITES his stuff, anyway?) He ripped it off from Jon Stewart.

Though Stewart's line is a bit simpler: Mess-O-Potamia

98 posted on 01/21/2006 2:28:16 PM PST by LiveBait
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To: RonDog
Let's hope that the government folks with L.A. County don't find out, though. :o)
See also, from www.LAcounty.info:



LEFT: as it existed from March 1, 1957 to September 14, 2004

RIGHT: as it was modified by the Board of Supervisors on September 14, 2004


www.SaveOurSeal.net

99 posted on 01/21/2006 2:28:27 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Victoria Delsoul
After how she trashed Harriet Miers and Judge Roberts I don't think highly of her.
I understand.

MANY posters on this forum were disappointed with Ann's TACTICS, even if they agreed with her MISSION: insuring a conservative, "originalist" Supreme Court -- during this "once in a generation" opportunity to correct the many unfortunate PAST appointments.

The current composition of the Supreme Court is just TOO IMPORTANT to take any chances, so I understand Ann's PASSION about it.

And, Justice Alito -- with his extensive public record supporting conservative principles -- is MUCH less likely to become another "Souter" than the relatively untested (at least in any PUBLIC forum) Harriet Miers, right?

(Politics is a contact sport, and the RATs have made the judicial system EXTREMELY political, as their last chance to force their agenda upon the rest of us.

We CANNOT let them win.)


100 posted on 01/21/2006 2:43:36 PM PST by RonDog
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