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"Islam: What the West Needs to Know" [documentary film, 2005 (2006?)]
Quixotic Media, LLC ^ | no date (Jan. 2006?) | Quixotic Media, LLC

Posted on 01/26/2006 6:21:12 PM PST by Dajjal

Where it's playing:

The film will premiere at the American Film Renaissance’s Hollywood Film Festival on January 15, 2006 at 3PM.


About the project:

What the West Needs to Know
Islam, violence, and the fate of the non-Muslim world.
95 mins

Main Idea
Virtually every major Western leader has over the past several years expressed the view that Islam is a peaceful religion and that those who commit violence in its name are fanatics who misinterpret its tenets. This claim, while widely circulated, rarely attracts serious public examination. Relying primarily on Islam’s own sources, this documentary demonstrates that Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government.

Content
The documentary consists of original interviews, citations from Islamic texts, Islamic artwork, computer-animated maps, footage of Western leaders, and Islamic television broadcasts. Its tone is sober, methodical, and compelling.

Outline of the Documentary

Introduction
We hear from prominent Western leaders that Islam is peaceful and that those who commit violence in its name are heterodox fanatics.

Part 1: ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet’
Our interviewees affirm their belief that Islamic violence is entirely orthodox behavior for Muslims and stems directly from the teachings and example of the Prophet Muhammad and the commands of the Koran. We learn that the example of Muhammad is one of a violent warlord who killed numerous people. The Koran – the verbatim words of Allah – prescribes violence against non-Muslims and Muhammad is the perfect example of the Koran in action.

Part 2: The Struggle
We learn that jihad, while literally meaning 'struggle', in fact denotes war fought against non-Muslims in order to bring the rule of Islamic law to the world. Violent death in jihad is, according to the Koran, the only assurance of salvation. One of our interviewees tells of his personal involvement in terrorism and of his conversion to Christianity.

Part 3: Expansion
Following the death of Muhammad, his 'rightly-guided' successors carried his wars to three continents, fighting, enslaving, and massacring countless Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians. Islam did not spread through evangelism or through its natural appeal, but through aggressive wars of conquest. The Crusades were largely a belated response on the part of Christian Europe to rescue Christians in the Holy Land suffering under Muslim oppression. The Muslim world today, while no longer the unified empire of the Caliphs, is exceptional for being responsible for the vast majority of conflicts around the world and for almost all of international terrorism.

Part 4: ‘War is Deceit’
A great problem with Western efforts to understand Islam is due to the Islamic principle of 'religious deception', which enjoins Muslims to deceive non-Muslims in order to advance the cause of Islam. Muslim groups today in the West employ deception and omission to give the impression that 'Islam is a religion of peace', an utter fiction.

Part 5: More than a Religion
The most important characteristic of Islam not understood by the West is that it is more a system of government than a personal religion. Unlike Christianity, Islam has never recognized a distinction between the religious and the secular/political. Islamic law governs every aspect of religious, political, and personal action, which amounts to a form of totalitarianism that is divinely enjoined to dominate the world, analogous in many ways to Communism.

Part 6: The House of War
Islamic theology divides the world into two spheres locked in perpetual combat, dar al-Islam (House of Islam - where Islamic law predominates), and dar al-harb (House of War - the rest of the world). It is incumbent on dar al-Islam to fight and conquer dar al-harb and permanently assimilate it. Muslims in Western nations are called to subvert the secular regimes in which they now live in accordance with Allah's command. Due to political correctness and general government and media irresponsibility, the danger posed by observant Muslims in the West remains largely unappreciated.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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The official website says it is a 2005 film but that it premiered on 1/15/06, so that may be wrong.
Does anyone know anything about this film? Has anyone here seen it?
Barbara Nicolosi posts a review of the film at her blog. (N.B. She gets the title a little wrong.)
--Dajjal


http://churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/2006/01/fleeting-thoughts.html

I saw a documentary on Sunday called What the West Needs to Know About Islam. Probably, it was a one-two-knockout combination to see this film right before Munich. Whatever. God willed it so. The doc has too much talking heads, and too much content, and several moments that are repetitive, and almost zero production design, but still packs a potent experience. I came away confirmed in my suspicion that Islam is an evil religion that is based on fear of women. It tells men that they can assimiliate the "greatness of Allah" - and subsequently Allah's above-reproachness no matter what. Islam validates the barbarian in man, that the love of woman usually keeps in check. It's a bad thing. It is certainly not a peaceful religion, despite the constant drumbeat to the contrary that comes from our politicos and cultural elites. Ask the wives of Islam how peaceful their life is? Islamic "peace" is built on domineering the hell out of women and infidels.

And the really bad news is, it seems like Islam is on an inexorable path to all out war with Western Judeo-Christian civilization. It's coming. Just ask Europe. The film makes the point that, in past centuries, the Cross of Christendom was a rallying point to stop the Islamic advance. The battles of Lepanto and Vienna were won as much by prayer and a common creed as by armies. Now that we have pretty much lost our Christian values, around what will the West rally to stop the complete Islamicism of the West? Will Fr. Richard McBrien and his cheering squad lead us to the ramparts? Will America magazine spur us on to the cross? Will Joel Osteen's "Good Life Now" keep us praising through torture and death? "When the Son of Man comes, will He find any faith left on earth?" Hmmmmm....

Anyway, back to the coming global jihad, I think the only hope for us may be alternate fuel sources to stop the flood of cash that is fueling the heart of Islam, or else that communist China will stamp it out...and perhaps much of Christendom too. Communism does offer a creed around which an opposition could be mounted as we have seen.

Anyway, if you want one more reason not to sleep very well at night, do try and catch What the West Needs to Know About Islam if it comes to a theater near you. And, oh, you should probably skip the popcorn for this one.

1 posted on 01/26/2006 6:21:14 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
The "West" needs to get the balls up to start a cleansing process.

Radical / Intolerant - Y/N?

If N, demand proof.

If Y, terminate, with extreme prejudice.

2 posted on 01/26/2006 6:26:27 PM PST by LasVegasMac (The only thing slowing me down is the A**hole in front of me!)
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To: Dajjal

"Virtually every major Western leader has over the past several years expressed the view that Islam is a peaceful religion and that those who commit violence in its name are fanatics who misinterpret its tenets."

"Due to political correctness and general government and media irresponsibility, the danger posed by observant Muslims in the West remains largely unappreciated."

yep and yep! THIS MUST CHANGE!


3 posted on 01/26/2006 6:28:53 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Dajjal

I vote this movie for oscars best picture of the year.


4 posted on 01/26/2006 6:29:05 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Dajjal

Never heard of it.
Can't imagine it's too popular with the CAIR crowd.


5 posted on 01/26/2006 6:30:28 PM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: dd5339

The moose-limbs will be protesting this one for sure!


6 posted on 01/26/2006 6:33:10 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (No snappy tagline ideas available at this time... Please try again later.)
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To: Brooklyn Kid

And no doubt the PC crowd will ensure it is banned from most if not all theaters, including those on college campuses, because it is a "hate" film.


7 posted on 01/26/2006 6:34:47 PM PST by CedarDave ("If I wanted to break the law - why was I briefing Congress?" -- W, 01/23/06)
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To: Pyro7480; AdmSmith; Aquinasfan; Siobhan; Maeve; SJackson; Dark Skies; Sabertooth; JohnHuang2; ...

jihad ping


8 posted on 01/26/2006 6:41:02 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

9 posted on 01/26/2006 6:44:41 PM PST by sono (Ted Kennedy's naming his dog Splash is like Jack Abramoff naming his dog Bribe.)
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To: Dajjal; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; AmericanArchConservative; jan in Colorado; Former Dodger; ...
RoPers clarifying the true meaning and obligation of
Jihad:

...the importance, reward and requirement for the Muslims to perform Jihaad Fi Sabeel Lillah i.e. physical struggle:

...the saying and actions of Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) show that Jihaad definitely is to start (offensive) fighting the kuffar to make the Words of Allah the highest and to propagate (da’wa) the call of Islam. Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that, ‘there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger’ and they establish the prayer and the zakat. And if they do this, then from me is protected their blood and their wealth except by the right granted by Allah."

As for his (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) actions, they are full of actions that show Jihaad is to start the fighting. So when he went out to Badr to take the caravan belonging to the Quraysh, this was going out to fight, this is offensive – as Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) initiated the action before the Quraysh. Likewise, when Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) invaded Hawazin in the battle of Hunayn, when he (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) seiged Ta’if and the battle of Mutah to fight the Romans and the Battle of Tabuk – all of these are evidences to show that Jihaad is to start fighting kuffar (offensive). This should clarify the erroneous view that in origin Jihaad is defensive...


10 posted on 01/26/2006 6:46:29 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Dajjal
Only one month into 2006 and here's the religion of peace's stats so far.

Date Country City Killed Injured Description

1/25/06 Bangladesh Meherpur 2 9 Jama'atul Mujahideen terrorists kill a Hindu woman and her daughter at a memorial service for her dead father by throwing two bombs at them. Nine others were injured. 1/24/06 Iraq Dujail 11 3 The bodies of eight police recruits are found. Two separate Jihad attacks claim three more lives elsewhere. 1/24/06 Iran Ahvaz 8 46 At least eight people are killed by two bombs in an Iranian city. Some forty-six are injured in the sectarian attack. 1/23/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 20 A Fedayeen suicide car bomber kills two civilians. Another civilian is killed, and over a dozen wounded in two other car bombings. 1/22/06 Iraq Mashahidah 23 0 The bodies of twenty-three police recruits are found bound and executed, days after they were forced off a bus a gunpoint by Sunni terrorists. 1/22/06 Iraq Balad Ruz 5 1 Four children (ages 6 to 11) and a man are killed when Islamic insurgents deliberately fire a rocket into a home. 1/22/06 Iraq Baqubah 12 16 A suicide car bombing, two brutal kidnappings (including a man and his son) and a roadside terror attack leave twelve people dead across the country. 1/21/06 Iraq Tikrit 6 9 Six people, including a child, are killed in four separate Jihad attacks across the country. 1/21/06 India Budshah Chowk 0 7 Seven people are injured in a Mujahideen grenade attack. 1/21/06 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 1 A policeman is killed in a Taliban ambush. 1/21/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 0 Three butchers standing on a corner are mowed down in a drive-by shooting by radical Muslims. 1/20/06 Indonesia Waghete 4 1 Indonesians kill four unarmed teenagers (ages 13 to 15) in an unprovoked attack as they are walking to school. A fifth boy is severely beaten. 1/20/06 Iraq Dujail 9 0 The bodies of seven civilians are found bound and executed where two others were found days earlier. 1/20/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 3 Four civilians are killed in a roadside bomb and two other people are gunned down by Muslim radicals in separate Karabala attacks. 1/20/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 63-year-old farmer is killed when a bomb planted at the base of a cell tower explodes. 1/20/06 Ingushetia Ingushetia 2 2 Two civilians are killed by Islamic terrorists in a small village. 1/19/06 Egypt Udaysaat 2 14 Muslims go on a rampage against Christians, angered by the construction of a church. Two, including a 13-year-old boy, are killed. 1/19/06 Iraq Baghdad 23 26 Two religious extremists hit a coffee shop in a downtown area with suicide bombs, dismembering themselves and twenty-three innocents while causing egregious injury to two dozen others. 1/19/06 Israel Tel Aviv 0 20 A Palestinian suicide bomber injures two dozen Israelis in an attack on a fast-food stall at a bus station. 1/19/06 Iraq Dujail 12 0 Twelve civilians are machine-gunned to death by radical Sunnis after their cars were stopped at a fake roadblock. 1/19/06 India Khrew Pampore 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by the Mujahideen at his village. 1/18/06 Iraq Basra 2 1 Two American civilians are killed in a roadside terrorist bombing. 1/18/06 India Pampore 1 0 The body of a civilian is recovered ten days after being abducted by the Mujahideen. 1/18/06 Iraq Baghdad 12 2 Jihadis ambush a private convoy, blasting and shooting twelve guards and bystanders to death and kidnapping two African engineers. 1/18/06 Iraq al-Sa'diya 5 9 Four people are killed in a terror bombing attack on a police vehicle. 1/18/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 0 Sunni radicals infiltrate an office building and murder three men. 1/17/06 Chechnya Grozny 5 0 Four Russians and one Chechan are blown apart in a landmine attack by Muslim rebels. 1/17/06 Iraq Kirkuk 2 1 Radical Sunni gunmen kill two Kurdish election officials in separate attacks. 1/16/06 Chechnya Grozny 1 3 A policeman is killed by Jihadis. 1/16/06 Iraq Ramadi 1 0 A physics professor is gunned down in a brutal attack. 1/16/06 Iraq Miqdadia 6 18 A Jihad car bombing kills six, including a child, and injures eighteen. 1/16/06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 22 20 A Fedayeen bomber plows an explosives-laden motorbike into a crowd of people in a downtown area, killing at least twenty-two. 1/16/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 10 Five people are killed and ten others injured by a "Holy Warrior" suicide bomber. 1/16/06 India Kulgam 2 1 Islamic radicals gun down two political activists in separate attacks. 1/15/06 Pakistan Jangzai 2 0 Two men are killed in a landmine blast. 1/15/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 14 At least three people are killed, including two civilians, when a suicide bomber rams a Canadian convoy. 1/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Islamists butcher two 20-year-old men in a gruesome attack. 1/15/06 India Kashmir Valley 1 0 A contractor is abducted and killed by the Mujahideen. 1/15/06 Iraq Ulwiya 6 8 Five separate Jihad attacks and kidnappings leave at least six dead around the country. 1/14/06 Pakistan Sarband 1 2 al-Qaeda backed militants fire a rocket into a home, killing a man and injuring his two children. 1/14/06 Afghanistan Khost 0 22 Religious fundamentalists bomb a sporting event and a music shop, injuring twenty-two. 1/14/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 The Taliban assassinate a political figure outside his home. 1/14/06 Pakistan Sarbandki 1 3 A rocket attack leaves one man dead and three children injured. 1/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 4 Sunni gunmen assassinate a Shiite cleric. Elsewhere, a bomb kills two policemen. 1/13/06 Iraq Baqubah 3 5 Two policemen are killed by a car bomb. Another dead officer is found in Iskandariya, blindfolded and with hands tied behind his back. 1/13/06 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Islamic insurgents shoot down a U.S. Army reconnaissance helicopter, killing the two pilots. 1/11/06 Philippines Maguindanao 1 1 The Moro Islamic Front is suspected in the assasination of a local sultan. 1/11/06 India Udhampur 1 2 A teenage girl is killed when militants hurl a grenade into her home on Eid day. Two other relatives are injured. 1/10/06 Pakistan Sarbandki 7 2 al-Qaeda backed militants kill seven Pakistani soldiers in a rocket attack. 1/9/06 Iraq Baghdad 29 21 Two Fedayeen suicide bomber maximize their killing power and send themselves and dozens of others to Allah at a government building. 1/9/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim radicals shoot a 60-year-old Buddhist three times in the neck after vowing to 'keep killing innocents'. 1/9/06 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 Ansar al-Sunna terrorists gun down a judge. 1/9/06 India Awantipore 1 0 The Mujahideen abduct a man from his home and shoot him to death. 1/9/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 The burnt body of a 74-year-old Buddhist is found after he is murdered by Islamic radicals, who beat the elderly man severely before slashing his throat. 1/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills two Iraqis and injures five others outside a mosque. 1/7/06 Thailand Pattani 1 3 Islamic militants kill a pig farmer and also fire on a family of foreigners, injuring three, including a baby. 1/7/06 Thailand Yala 2 4 A grocery store is shot up by Muslim radicals. Two people in their 20's are killed and four others injured. 1/7/06 Algeria Tissemsilt 4 0 Four civilians employees of a state water company are killed by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat. 1/7/06 Pakistan Wana 1 1 A 6-year-old boy is killed by a bomb that also injures an 8-year-old. 1/7/06 Pakistan Kai Kot 5 0 A family is massacred by the Taliban. The dead include a young girl. 1/7/06 Afghanistan Jalalabad 1 1 A terrorist bombing by the Taliban leaves one civilian dead and another person injured. 1/7/06 Thailand Yala 2 3 Two policemen are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Separately, a bomb at a tea shop injures three people. 1/7/06 Iraq Fallujah 1 9 A doctor is gunned down by Jihadis. Elsewhere, a suicide bomber injures nine people. 1/7/06 Pakistan Miran Shah 8 6 Eight soldiers are massacred by religious militants at a border checkpoint. 1/7/06 Iraq Baghdad 1 1 An American journalist is taken hostage, and her Iraqi translator murdered. 1/6/06 Yemen Saadah 4 2 Four civilians are killed, and two injured, in a mortar attack by armed fundamentalists. 1/5/06 Iraq Ramadi 82 70 Eighty people waiting in line to apply for jobs at a recruiting station are blown to bits by a religious fanatic. Another seventy are injured. 1/5/06 Iraq Karbala 53 148 A Sunni suicide bomber targets a Shia shrine, killing more than sixty innocent souls and injuring seventy more. Women and children are amply represented among the victims. 1/5/06 Afghanistan Tarin Kot 10 50 Two children are among ten people murdered by an Islamic suicide bomber in a crowded area of the capital. Fifty others are injured. 1/5/06 Iraq Baghdad 15 14 Four bombs, two of the suicide attacks in Baghdad, leave four people dead in the capital and Najaf. Four policemen are also killed by Jihad gunmen in Baqubah and seven U.S. soliders are killed in two terror attacks. 1/5/06 Yemen Al Salem 2 0 Two Yemeni troops are killed in an ambush by radical Islamists. 1/4/06 Iraq Kirkuk 2 2 Two civilians are killed by a roadside terror bombing. 1/4/06 Afghanistan Qalat 1 0 The Taliban kill the headmaster of a school by cutting off his head in front of his wife and eight children. 1/4/06 Thailand Sungai Padi 1 0 A 51-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic radicals as he is eating breakfast in a tea shop. 1/4/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 36 40 Nearly forty people are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at a Shiite funeral for a child. At least forty more suffer various injury and lost limbs. 1/4/06 Iraq Baghdad 8 12 At least eight civilians are killed and twelve injured when radical Sunnis detonate a bomb near a market. 1/4/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 0 An oil company employee and his son are shot to death in a Jihad attack. Two other bodies found executed in Mahawil. 1/4/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 13 Three civilians are killed and thirteen others injured by a terrorist car bombing on a city street. 1/4/06 Russia Gimry 1 8 One Russian is killed by Chechan Mujahideen who infiltrated the border. 1/3/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A militant Muslim assasinates a village headsman outside his home with an automatic rifle. 1/3/06 Afghanistan Helmand 1 0 Two Taliban members shoot a humanitarian aid worker in the back of the head as he is kneeling in prayer. 1/3/06 India Bumloora 1 0 A civilian is abducted from his job site and hanged by the Mujahideen. 1/2/06 Iraq Iskandariya 3 0 Three more civilians are killed by Muslim radicals in a drive-by shooting. 1/2/06 Iraq Kirkuk 2 2 Two children, ages 7 and 10, are killed by Jihadi gunmen in an attack that also injures their parents. 1/2/06 Thailand Yala 1 3 Islamic militants attack four Thai soliders, capturing and beheading one of them. 1/2/06 Chechnya Kurchaloi 2 0 Two Russian guards are killed by Jihadi snipers. 1/2/06 India Khog 1 0 An 18-year-old Hindu is kidnapped by militant Muslims and tortured to death. 1/2/06 Iraq Baquba 7 13 A Fedayeen suicide bomber rams his car into a bus carrying police recruits, killing seven and injuring thirteen. 1/1/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 3 Two people are killed in a bomb blast staged by Islamic militants. Three others are injured.

11 posted on 01/26/2006 6:47:33 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Cindy

Ping!


12 posted on 01/26/2006 6:49:24 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Dajjal
THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS


WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!


OFENSIVE WAR FOR JIHAD (EXPLAINED BY MUSLIMS)


"Mainstream" Islamic site "Islam Q+A": Can the Muslims live in peace in Palestine? (KILL THE JEWS!)


13 posted on 01/26/2006 6:52:58 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Dajjal
Part 4: ‘War is Deceit’

Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism

14 posted on 01/26/2006 6:55:23 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Dajjal

Thanks. I haven't heard squat about it and I would imagine that CAIR is probably working hard behind the scenes to make sure few people see it. I'll watch for it. Let me know if you hear anymore.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 6:58:02 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Dajjal

A comparison of fundamental Isalm versus fundamental Christianity:

http://faithfacts.gospelcom.net/islam.html


16 posted on 01/26/2006 7:06:32 PM PST by Jacobis
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To: USF

When you need an extra pair of hands...just call islam.

17 posted on 01/26/2006 7:09:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks (UNDERSTAND ISLAM; Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD pdf link on my Page)
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To: Dajjal

There is a lot of discussion about jihad, and misconceptions it seems to me.
According to a muslim friend, there are 2 types of jihad. One is the 'big' or 'greater' jihad which is the inner struggle against evil, temptation, etc, to stay closer to God. That is the more important of the two.
The second, is the 'small' or 'lesser' jihad which is the outward or physical struggle, and can include many types of physical struggles most very benign, though it is the one people always think of when they think of jihad. This lesser jihad is not as important. It is most important to adhere to and practice the greater jihad.

What do you say, dajjal?


18 posted on 01/26/2006 7:40:47 PM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Fred Nerks

Off subject, but the scenic images on your homepage are absolutely breathtaking!


19 posted on 01/26/2006 7:46:27 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Brooklyn Kid

Your friend is repeating the words of Muslim apologists who spin Islam to create an illusion of peace. Study Islam yourself and do not do so by only going to websites sanctioned by Islamists.


20 posted on 01/26/2006 7:51:37 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Brooklyn Kid

Here is a good reference for you to check out. It is free to read online, or to download.

http://www.Answering-Islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/

Particularly apropos here is Chapter 15, section: Islam And The Goal Of World Domination

I will not violate copyright provisions, by putting an overly long post on here, when it is easily accessed.

I would recommend reading the entire book, then see if you still have the same opinions of the "inner" and "peaceful" nature of Islam.

Remember, Islam does NOT mean "peace"; it means "SUBMISSION", and demands--not asks; not offers; DEMANDS--total submission by ALL to the single way of Mohammed & Sharia.


21 posted on 01/26/2006 8:31:46 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
According to a muslim friend, there are 2 types of jihad. One is the 'big' or 'greater' jihad which is the inner struggle against evil, temptation, etc, to stay closer to God. That is the more important of the two.
The second, is the 'small' or 'lesser' jihad which is the outward or physical struggle, and can include many types of physical struggles most very benign, though it is the one people always think of when they think of jihad. This lesser jihad is not as important. It is most important to adhere to and practice the greater jihad.


Well, I am not an expert on the religion of Islam in general. I am an "armchair researcher" on the slice of Muslim doctrine regarding the Last Days, just from studying this topic after 9/11. But I'll answer as best I can.

By one classification of ordinary, "mainstream" Islam, there are four levels of jihad: an-nafs (against oneself) / ash-shaitan (against Satan) / al-kuffar wal-munafiqeen (against infidels and faithless Muslims) / and ahlu ath-thulm wal-bida'ah wal-munkaraat (against injustice, innovation, and public sinning). The opposition may take place within one's heart, by words, or by actions, including warfare.

For the ordinary, non-terrorist Muslim, that sort of definition is sufficient, and he lives his spiritual life according to it.

But for the terrorists and their sympathizers, they formulate rationales justifying all manner of violence against non-Muslims -- and frankly, it is not hard to find verses in the Qur'an and ahadith backing up their interpretation.

Muhammed 'Abd-al-Salam Faraj, one of the assassins of Anwar Sadat, wrote a booklet called "The Neglected Duty" which has had tremendous influence on Islamic terrorism since the early 1980s. The "neglected" duty is jihad, Faraj says: jihad is demanded by the Qur'an but most Muslims blithely go about their day going to work and raising their kids.

Faraj goes on to "explain" how jihad is not merely the inner struggle against worldly temptation, but must also be understood as the killing of infidels and moderate Muslims. Muslims who neglect this type of jihad, he says, are no better than infidels, since they allow the infidels to flourish. He justifies all sorts of actions against anybody in his way. Faraj's booklet has been published and republished again and again throughout the Muslim world.

One scholar, Johannes Jansen, published an English translation and commentary in 1986, but Macmillan stupidly has let it go out of print and remains so to this day. If your library has a copy, definitely read it. If you know anyone at Macmillan, ask them to get it in the bookstores again.

22 posted on 01/26/2006 10:04:58 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal; Brooklyn Kid; sageb1; ApplegateRanch
According to a muslim friend, there are 2 types of jihad...What do you say, dajjal?

Never Forget.


23 posted on 01/27/2006 12:47:36 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

see my home page


24 posted on 01/27/2006 5:32:07 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Dajjal

I remember a propaganda special on PBS "Islam: Empire of Faith". The pro-Islam slant was so hideous I still wonder how people could roduce it with a straight face. The 70's movie, "The Message" was just as bad. This should be look at "the other side" i.e. the one that's right.


26 posted on 01/27/2006 5:41:17 AM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: Dajjal

"Muslims generally classify jihad into two forms,jihad al-akbar, the greater jihad, is said to be the struggle against one's soul (nafs), while jihad al-asgar, the lesser jihad, is external and is in reference to physical effort and/or fighting ."

I got this from wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
I have to say they have a very interesting and informative discussion about jihad.
It seems that what my friend told me, is the layperson's general concept.

There are muslim scholars and clerics who seem to subdivide the above 2 jihads and some into 10 or more types of jihad. There's also a discussion of the different interpretations of jihad within the different sects.

It's a much more complicated religion with different doctrines and sects than most people understand. Most people group muslims under one umbrella, though I don't know why, since they understand that there are different doctrines and sects within christianity with their own interpretations of passages within the Bible.

I guess if most muslims see jihad as my friend does, where the most important is the internal struggle, we don't have much of a problem. It's when they see jihad al-asgar as the greater jihad, and interpret it and stress it as the jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) as the terrorists and radicals do, that we have dangerous conditions.


About the Faraj booklet. Maybe it is best that it's out of print. Although I can understand on a research/ educational level why you might want to read it, it sounds like terrorist propaganda, and we don't need any more of that.
Similarly, I have uncomfortable feelings and reservations about the film you ask about here. It also sounds like propaganda, though from the opposite extreme. I don't think it's a good idea to have the world see all muslims as their enemy. (which seems to be the message of this film. I'm guessing)
There are 1.3 billion muslims, and obviously most just go about their lives trying to provide for themselves and their families.
Having the non-muslims of the world turn against all muslims and the religion altogether, seems like a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy to me. It's what the terrorists and people of the ilk of Iran's new president want.

Maybe this movie was made for just that purpose?
Be ever vigilant...


27 posted on 01/27/2006 6:58:56 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Dajjal

Check out this video:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1546682


28 posted on 01/27/2006 8:59:20 AM PST by XR7
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To: XR7
Sick, frightening, and dangerous.

There is no reasoning with these types of people.

29 posted on 01/27/2006 2:39:59 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: XR7

I'm starting to become a little jaded whenever I see films about muzzies. They're beyond hope for the most part..


30 posted on 01/27/2006 6:58:45 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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