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It's Pay Or Punish
The Times Leader ^ | 22 January 2006 | Terri Morgan-Besecker

Posted on 01/26/2006 7:00:29 PM PST by buccaneer81

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This is how it is for many decent men.

Feminazis and apologist "men", flame away.

1 posted on 01/26/2006 7:00:31 PM PST by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81

Then you hear about how a woman is murdered by her ex. Push anyone too far and they strike back or crack. Cracking puts them on the street somewhere and striking back puts them in prison. Either way society pays for it.


2 posted on 01/26/2006 7:08:15 PM PST by right right
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Then you hear about how a woman is murdered by her ex.

It's amazing it doesn't happen more often. Shows you how decent most guys are.

3 posted on 01/26/2006 7:12:43 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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I get to say it a second time today:

Men are legally slaves to their ex-wives and children.
4 posted on 01/26/2006 7:14:16 PM PST by mc6809e
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""Then you hear about how a woman is murdered by her ex.

It's amazing it doesn't happen more often. Shows you how decent most guys are""

Wow, that's irrelevent if there ever was irrelevent.


5 posted on 01/26/2006 7:18:57 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Explain, little girl.


6 posted on 01/26/2006 7:20:41 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Wow, that's irrelevent if there ever was irrelevent.

It's entirely relevant.

He was pointing out how men are essentially made slaves by their ex wives and girlfriends, and yet just take it -- well, like men.

Some crack, though, like the guy in the other story.

7 posted on 01/26/2006 7:23:35 PM PST by mc6809e
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This guys support is insane. I think he should be paying some percentage of his income, but 2/3 is blatantly unfair. If he's making 10 bucks per hour and she's making more than that, AND she has custody, she should be paying the majority of support. He's probably paying all of her rent, all of her utilities, as well as half of the babysitting while SHE is working.


8 posted on 01/26/2006 7:23:55 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: buccaneer81

yeah, splain!!!!


9 posted on 01/26/2006 7:24:14 PM PST by right right
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To: buccaneer81

He pays more than my ex-husband who makes 70K a year does for two kids (one of whom is special needs!) My husband works with a guy who makes about $11 an hour and has to pay out $600 a month. I don't know how they figure out child support, but the system is definitely broken!


11 posted on 01/26/2006 7:41:26 PM PST by conservative cat
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Don't worry. You'll see plenty on here that agree that he should pay $800 AND MORE even if he made 6 bucks an hour.

I'd become a mercenary or something. Go take out my frustrations overseas :-)


12 posted on 01/26/2006 7:43:29 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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If I want to cite her for contempt, I have to hire a high priced lawyer on my own dime!

I totally don't understand that. I am afraid to even have my kids over to their dads five minutes late on his days! I also don't understand why lawyers have to be involved in the process. From what I have witnessed, the judges hear what they want to hear and don't feel compelled to follow any laws anyway (in WA state, they aren't even considered laws but "guidelines.") Why do lawyers even have to be there?

13 posted on 01/26/2006 7:44:03 PM PST by conservative cat
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""Explain, little girl.""


Maybe you should explain the pretenses under which murder of one's ex is justified.


14 posted on 01/26/2006 8:06:50 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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"This guys support is insane. "

Yes, that's what I was thinking, without even actually doing the math. That's ridiculous. Guy needs a lawyer, Judge needs a chill pill.

I am a girl, to any who don't know, which I mention because I got flamed the last time I got on one of these "men's rights" threads, although at least this time I'm on the "right" side. ; )


15 posted on 01/26/2006 8:57:02 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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Maybe you should explain the pretenses under which murder of one's ex is justified.

I don't see where he attempts to make that argument.

He just says that 99.99% of the men involved in these horror-story support cases don't fall prey to the temptation to take out their frustration on their ex-wifes.

Just like 99.99% of us don't get out of our cars and slap around the moron who doubleparks at an intersection. At some level, the temptation to do so is certainly there.
16 posted on 01/26/2006 11:01:26 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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My relative tried repeatedly to get custody of his daughter (now 10); during the divorce and after, but was rebuffed by the judicial system.

Why did he spend this money repeatedly; out of his own pocket?

His ex-wife was living with her parents. Her father is a convicted child molester; yes, that's right...convicted of molesting a little girl. That evidence was presented in court on all occasions..and ignored. Seems the "ex" always suddenly came up with an apartment and a daycare provider prior to the court date.

She lived there for several years before the local media was alerted and the judge suddenly changed his mind.

17 posted on 01/26/2006 11:27:42 PM PST by garandgal
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This is basically debtors prison for him at this point. And we wonder why our taxes are so high. So instead of a guy working, and paying taxes, the court in its infinite wisdom has converted him to a inmate. Now true, they'd like him to pay some of that cost, but he's there because he doesn't have enough money to pay his bills. The bills are continuing to rack up while he is prevented from working and the state is adding more bills on.

Can bankruptcy dismiss court fees and chid care payments. If not perhaps he should just refuse to leave jail, as short of winning the lottery he's screwed.

18 posted on 01/27/2006 4:38:46 AM PST by Jack Black
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I actually feel for the guy in this article and realize men get the shaft on a lot of divorce and child support deals. I have a couple of guy friends who have been through this.

But I also find your remarks inflammatory and uncalled for.

Perhaps you should explain yourself, little boy.

There ae more woman-haters out there than one would imagine.

19 posted on 01/27/2006 4:43:58 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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Whats inflammatory? He never advocated anything. I guess you think its OK for a female to kill her husband while he sleeps because he is abusive. That seems to be fine with many women. He pointed out almost ALL men do not harm their exes when abused by the system, but that once in a blue moon, some weaker guy goes off the deep end and kills his ex. He didn't say it was OK, just stated fact. It happens, but probably not as much as the sleeping husband senario.


20 posted on 01/27/2006 7:10:04 AM PST by right right
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