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Why Hillary Clinton won't get my support in 2008 (barf alert)
The Austin American-Statesman ^ | January 21, 2006 | Molly Ivins

Posted on 01/29/2006 12:49:28 PM PST by neverdem

I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy — rough, tough Bobby Kennedy — didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines who liked to quote poetry.

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First, you have to win elections"). Can't you even read the polls?

Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes, "There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."

This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, emboldened by "a string of bad news from the Middle East . . . into calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman.

Oh come on, people — get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at this war — from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they continue to dump on us daily.

You sit there in Washington so frightened of the big, bad Republican machine you have no idea what people are thinking. I'm telling you right now, Tom DeLay is going to lose in his district. If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely.

Do it all, go long, go for public campaign financing for Congress. I'm serious as a stroke about this — that is the only reform that will work, and you know it, as well as everyone else who's ever studied this. Do all the goo-goo stuff everybody has made fun of all these years: embrace redistricting reform, electoral reform, House rules changes, the whole package. Put up, or shut up. Own this issue, or let Jack Abramoff politics continue to run your town.

Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That, or you could just turn on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad news."

Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can.

Ivins is based in Austin.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hillary2008; hillaryclinton; iraq; ivans; ivinshasthebigc; oldnewsbarfalert
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1 posted on 01/29/2006 12:49:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Oh, yes, the "elegant Murtha"....

Sheesh


2 posted on 01/29/2006 12:52:24 PM PST by Zarro (We Support Governor Rossi)
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To: neverdem

This ran on FR a few days ago. That being said, who's Molly Ivins?


3 posted on 01/29/2006 12:53:03 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: toddlintown

She's a hack writer for some paper in Texas (I think). Part of the looney, looney left.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 12:55:30 PM PST by kjo
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To: neverdem

Well, Hillary will get my support because she is a female.


5 posted on 01/29/2006 12:56:38 PM PST by twidle
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To: neverdem

Cat fight!


6 posted on 01/29/2006 12:58:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem
What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

OK, whose @$$ did the writer pull these numbers out of?

7 posted on 01/29/2006 12:58:09 PM PST by frankiep
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To: neverdem
Ivins is based in Austin on Uranus.
8 posted on 01/29/2006 12:58:54 PM PST by upchuck (Article posts of just one or two sentences do not preserve the quality of FR. Lazy FReepers be gone!)
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To: neverdem
The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

Until you tell them what it will take.

9 posted on 01/29/2006 12:59:41 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: neverdem

Ms. Ivins was in a clip they played on dnC-span this AM, for Katrina Vanden Whore and Ed Kilgore(?). I now see why Molly is such an unhappy person.

I'd be pissed off at the world too, if I had something like that looking back at me in the mirror.


10 posted on 01/29/2006 12:59:51 PM PST by digger48
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To: neverdem

Ivans will vote for Hitlery, twice ...


11 posted on 01/29/2006 1:01:07 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: neverdem
Interesting poll results. Maybe they should widen the poll to beyond Austin.

The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich

That is a pretty big qualification to the original statement. I also like the 77% will do anything to save the environment. Okay, only one car per household. That would push the 77% down quite a bit.

12 posted on 01/29/2006 1:01:35 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: frankiep

I believe that would be her own a@@


13 posted on 01/29/2006 1:01:59 PM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: neverdem; PJ-Comix
ping

Does miss Molly sound just a little bit like one of your DUmmie threads when everyone was ready to abandon the party because they weren't going to filibuster Alito? LOL I think we can call miss Molly a DUmmie.

14 posted on 01/29/2006 1:03:53 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: toddlintown

Where the heck did she get those poll numbers? 77 percent are prepared to do 'whatever it takes' to protect the environment? That's a damned vague statement! Looks like Molly is hitting the bottle again. Glug, glug.


15 posted on 01/29/2006 1:05:09 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: kjo

...and rumor has it she considers herself a horrorary member of the Dixie Chicks...


16 posted on 01/29/2006 1:05:20 PM PST by G-dzilla (From each accordin' to his a-bility...Yee-haw!)
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To: neverdem
Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election.

Shut up, stupid. They're all 'Dick Morris' elections, and the Dems don't care what you think. The DLC machine will decide the candidate and you'll do what you're told. Just send in your money and keep your opinions to yourself.

17 posted on 01/29/2006 1:05:21 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: frankiep


The only statistic she didn't mention was the 51% of November, 2004. That one negates all of hers and just makes her scream.LOL


18 posted on 01/29/2006 1:05:27 PM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: frankiep; All

By all means, let the Democratic candidate run on the platform Ivins suggests:

1. cut and run from Iraq;
2. Cuban health care;
3. raising taxes;
4. weakening the military;
5. radical environmental regualation;

I can see election night now, with Katie Couric at the CBS anchor desk:

"Our early exit polls suggest it could be shaping up as a challenging night for John Kerry, but our latest numbers show he has a fighting chance to carry the District of Columbia."


19 posted on 01/29/2006 1:05:59 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: USNBandit
or at least those that go only to the rich

Bear in mind that the liberal definition of "rich" is anyone with more money than themselves.
20 posted on 01/29/2006 1:06:03 PM PST by proud_yank (Aspiring CEO of a multinational corporation)
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To: digger48

While Molly has always looked like her daddy spanked her in the face with a skillet, she has cancer, and as such, I no longer make fun of her looks, just her political opinion.


21 posted on 01/29/2006 1:06:07 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: neverdem

I love it when liberals turn on each other -- thanks for the post!


22 posted on 01/29/2006 1:06:28 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: digger48

I agree! I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said that he was a lefty in the '60's because that was where all of the really hot women were back then. Evidently times have changed.


23 posted on 01/29/2006 1:07:02 PM PST by Calico Cat
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" She's not likable, Mr. Snerdley. It's just that simple. She is just not likable. You think you're watching the Wizard of Oz with the monkeys in the castle. You think you're watching One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. There's nurse Ratched. Who wants to hear this screaming voice when she gets all revved up? We've played the audio sound bites of this. She starts screaming about things. Who wants to hear this? Who is inspired by it? "


24 posted on 01/29/2006 1:07:52 PM PST by falcon1966
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To: groanup
I didn't even think Molly was still alive. I think she's even older than Helen Thomas.
25 posted on 01/29/2006 1:07:59 PM PST by BW2221
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To: neverdem

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2014815,00.html

[A CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll last week found that 51% of Americans “definitely” would not vote for her and only 16% said they definitely would. Among men, 60% said they would not vote for her.]

Im actually sorry to see this. It would be so nice to see her get the party nomination and then get totally creamed in 11/08


26 posted on 01/29/2006 1:08:49 PM PST by DogBarkTree (The higher the monkey climbs the flag pole, the more people can see his @$$h0!e)
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To: kjo

Sometimes they put her stuff in the Arizona Republic rag. Even without it they are a bunch of idiots.


27 posted on 01/29/2006 1:09:01 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Richard Kimball

didn't know that. I'd never seen her before. Thankfully.

This morning, however, she was one of the first faces I saw when I woke. Kinda took me back under the covers a minute. I've read her ugliness in her opinions, but I failed to realize how deep-rooted it was.


28 posted on 01/29/2006 1:10:17 PM PST by digger48
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To: kjo
Ivins is a Californian residing in a leftist enclave in Texas. She's very popular with hyper-partisan Democrats.

I've heard stories of patriotic Americans with German surnames being harassed during World War I, but never of poor little dachshunds being persecuted. The solution would have been simple--call them badger dogs, since that's what Dachshund means in German.

29 posted on 01/29/2006 1:10:56 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: neverdem

Translation: "Hillary isn't enough of a fleck-mouthed demagogue." Ivins and her ilk continue to think that it's just a matter of punching their message through the mysterious barrier that's keeping it from the American public. If they scream loud enough, eventually we'll hear, they believe. The Republicans should only be so lucky as the Dems nominating someone more strident than Hillary Clinton.


30 posted on 01/29/2006 1:12:55 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: neverdem

"Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo..."

Far be it from me to defend Hillary Clinton, or to take her side at anytime, however what exactly did Ivens want her to say about Terri Schiavo? I can hardly believe she wanted Clinton to come out in favor of letting her live, so that leaves the option of Hillary Clinton, a woman cuckolded by her husband many, many times, to offer support to the idea that Schiavo's estranged and adulterous husband had the power to have her starved to death. Somehow I just don't think Hillary probably saw things just that way. So, she kept her mouth shut, and why shouldn't she have?

This Molly Ivens is a real moron, I don't think I've ever read anything by her before. And her stats have to be way out of wack, I seriously doubt 85% of the American people are in agreement on anything, much less raising the minimum wage.


31 posted on 01/29/2006 1:16:47 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: USNBandit

The Democrats haven't seen a taxcut they did like. I remember back in 2001 getting a letter saying I was getting a tax rebate and I had already got my regular tax return. I was only making $6 to $7 something an hour. So much for saying I was poor. I know I wouldn't have seen that tax rebate if you know who snuck his way into the White House.


32 posted on 01/29/2006 1:17:53 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Calico Cat

I was a few years too late for that part. By the time I reached puberty, they'd gone out and bought new bras to replace the ones they'd burnt.

In Helen Thomas and Molly Ivins case, I don't think even underwire, full support face bras coulda stopped the saggage that Father Time was gonna inflict on them.


33 posted on 01/29/2006 1:18:07 PM PST by digger48
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To: frankiep

"OK, whose @$$ did the writer pull these numbers out of?"

87.5% of all statistics are just made up to prove a point. (Plus or minus 12.5%, of course.) :-)


34 posted on 01/29/2006 1:19:11 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: Calico Cat

"I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said that he was a lefty in the '60's because that was where all of the really hot women were back then."

That must have been the very early 1960s, probably around 1957. Unless when he said "hot" he meant "loose".


35 posted on 01/29/2006 1:19:23 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: neverdem; Travis McGee; Minuteman23; backhoe; Thanatos; JohnHuang2; ruschpa; mil-vet; ...
The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the...
The majority (65 percent) of the American people...
The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor...
The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor...
The majority (66 percent) wants to...

And I say that if the majority of the American people knew about/ read Senator James Inhofe's Chinagate speech -there won't be another Democrat President- for decades to come:

U S Congressional Record/Senate
June 23, 1999
pgs. S7483-S7486
The Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup

(top right hand cornor)
Senator James Inhofe

also Alamo_Girl.com/chinagate

36 posted on 01/29/2006 1:19:31 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: jocon307

"Unless when he said "hot" he meant "loose"."

I suspect he meant "don't wear a bra".


37 posted on 01/29/2006 1:20:57 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: proud_yank

I thought it was anyone not on the welfare payrolls.


38 posted on 01/29/2006 1:21:47 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: neverdem

Article: "Oh come on, people — get a grip on the concept of leadership. Look at this war — from the lies that led us into it, to the lies they continue to dump on us daily."

"The lies that led us..." makes the term "lies" so generic. Specify the lies and by whom the lies were asserted. This author has forgotten about the 9/11 terrorist attacks which is a "sin of omission" or a tacit "lie."


39 posted on 01/29/2006 1:22:26 PM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: neverdem

40 posted on 01/29/2006 1:24:00 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Verginius Rufus

"I've...never [heard] of poor little dachshunds being persecuted."

My mom told me there used to be a cat in a deli out where she lived in Queens that had markings that made him look like Hitler, and people were very mean and kicked the cat. So the owner had to make the cat stay in the basement.

I don't know if this is really true, but it is a fact that my mom was 1/2 German, and they had a German last name, but a rather unusual one, so you might not realize it was German. I don't think her dad ever had any trouble, or course he had come here as a wee child, so he had no accent or anything. He was in the Navy in WWI.


41 posted on 01/29/2006 1:25:09 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: WalterSkinner

Pardon me, but who is that a pic of in your #40? Is it Mrs Charlie Trie, Mrs Johnny Chung, Mrs John Huang or Mrs James Riady??


42 posted on 01/29/2006 1:27:34 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Sic Luceat Lux

She ain't runnin'


43 posted on 01/29/2006 1:28:30 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: toddlintown
That being said, who's Molly Ivins?

She's a member of the MSM who doesn't mind her party (the dems) going down as long as her views are trumpeted. Words like selfish, narcissistic, egomaniacal come to mind.

With "friends" like Molly, the dems don't need any enemies...

44 posted on 01/29/2006 1:29:42 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: neverdem
my favorite cartoon quip:

"I never had sex with that woman, Hitlerly Rodham Klintoon. NOT a single time!" = wee willie klintoon.

"HITLERey" has about the same chance as i do to be elected POTUS, ever. i.e., NONE!

free dixie,sw

45 posted on 01/29/2006 1:32:19 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: toddlintown

You don't know who Molly Ivins is? Oh, you lucky person! May you be fortunate enough to never find out. She is the barf in barf alert.


46 posted on 01/29/2006 1:33:31 PM PST by rwa265 (The Promises of the Lord, I Will Proclaim Forever)
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To: Sic Luceat Lux

Evita Peron


47 posted on 01/29/2006 1:44:08 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: neverdem

Should anyone care why wacko's mignt not support anyone? Its so nice that they can whine to each other.


48 posted on 01/29/2006 1:45:33 PM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: DogBarkTree

Thanks for the link.


49 posted on 01/29/2006 1:48:31 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Is Ms. Ivins speaking of the inimitable MRS. BILL CLINTON?

I thought so.

Never let the American people forget that a vote for MRS. BILL CLINTON is a vote for the Sinkmeister, too. The same icky "two-fer" they were selling back in 1993 is in effect.

So if you want 4 or 8 years of Bubba wandering the White House halls looking for love in all the wrong places (not to mention blabbering on tv, etc.), go ahead and vote for MRS. BILL CLINTON.


50 posted on 01/29/2006 1:48:43 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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