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The anti-gun male
Julia Gorin

Posted on 01/30/2006 10:00:41 AM PST by Jotmo

LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable--so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to masquerade squeamishness as grand principle-in the interest of mankind, no less.

A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12-year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self-esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife--there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife.

Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life-if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment.


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To: Michael Goldsberry

I hope the picture was taken on a timer to allow the photographer to get clear. :)


51 posted on 01/30/2006 10:55:46 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: ArrogantBustard

Not that kid. That's why I posted it on this thread. He's never going to have such a stupid accident because guns are no mystery to him.

.357 Mag, BTW

Don't mess with Texas.


52 posted on 01/30/2006 10:56:34 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Noumenon

Liberals have a pattern of wishing to defer decisions and responsibilities to an authority figure, so why should self-defense be any different?


53 posted on 01/30/2006 10:57:00 AM PST by kidao35
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To: Vaquero

Hubba hubba. What kind of grips are those?


54 posted on 01/30/2006 10:58:13 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

LOL! I just remembered who this Julia Gorin is--do you?


55 posted on 01/30/2006 10:59:24 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Great Scott!
Please tell me that the camera was on a tripod, and that you don't mind having a .38 cal hole punched in your camera, and that there was some sort of backstop behind the camera.


46 posted on 01/30/2006 12:52:14 PM CST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself

--30--

I just so totally agree with that summazation....anti gunners grab onto that sort of thing and then use it to roast those of us who are pro gun and shooting sports for kids.


56 posted on 01/30/2006 11:00:24 AM PST by missanne (Go to work, write letters to the editor!)
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To: basil

Well, don't keep us waiting!


57 posted on 01/30/2006 11:00:53 AM PST by bereanway
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To: acad1228
I'm also assuming that the safety is on.

Er....

58 posted on 01/30/2006 11:02:47 AM PST by Grut
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To: Michael Goldsberry
He's never going to have such a stupid accident

"Never"??? "Never" is a very long time. I hope you're right.

.357 Mag, BTW

Thanks. I can't determine the cartridge length when looking at the end.

59 posted on 01/30/2006 11:02:50 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jotmo
He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something."

Yes, but only those who too often demonstrate a need to boast about the size of their guns, or the size of their collection.

60 posted on 01/30/2006 11:06:36 AM PST by newgeezer (What part of "shall not be infringed" does our nanny state fail to understand?)
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To: cyclotic
Man, I certainly hope the photographer was smart enough to photoshop those hollowpoints in. Otherwise, that photograph shows the worst irresponsibility toward gun safety in many ways.

My hope is that it was set up on a tripod with a remote shutter trigger or a timer. OR...maybe those were inert rounds in the cylinder.

Pointed at a target not intending to kill.
Shudder!! My first thought.

Finger on the trigger
Actually, I believe the index finger is aligned along side of the frame. As it should be.

A gun big enough to knock junior flat on his butt for starters

I was shooting a .357 magnum regularly and a .41 magnum occasionally from the time I was 10 or 11 years of age. A kid can have strong hands, wrists and forearms along with good shooting technique to overcome that issue.

I trust that this young man is being taught good firearms safety and the photo was done for illustrative purposes only. WITH safety measures in place.

I am not sure though that I like the image of a menacing child with a firearm. Gives the gun grabbers something to pass around and exploit.

61 posted on 01/30/2006 11:07:18 AM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Jotmo
LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing.

No, he's scared of EVERYTHING, and he is the typical liberal/socialist wimp that lives in this country.


62 posted on 01/30/2006 11:07:58 AM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: Vaquero

I notice you have a theme going here - staghorn and black steel.


63 posted on 01/30/2006 11:08:13 AM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

That explains the large, "angular" graphic directly behind his head. Easier to line up when not behind the view finder.


64 posted on 01/30/2006 11:09:04 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Penthouse had articles? Whodathinkit.)
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To: pabianice

Ahhhh, Demo-projection at its finest.

All Democrat ills can be found by "reversing the projected track".


65 posted on 01/30/2006 11:10:23 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Penthouse had articles? Whodathinkit.)
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To: Ghengis

When I take pictures like that I utilize a mirror in front of a good back stop.


66 posted on 01/30/2006 11:11:12 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: TexanToTheCore

Owning a gun also means a sense of responsibility.

Something pro gun control, pro abortion men always seem to lack, IMO.


They want SOMEBODY else to take responsibility for what they should do.


67 posted on 01/30/2006 11:17:55 AM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: Jotmo

Hoplophobia


68 posted on 01/30/2006 11:18:10 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Vaquero

good looking stag


69 posted on 01/30/2006 11:19:02 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: acad1228
and the kid in the picture has his trigger finger outside the trigger guard. I'm also assuming that the safety is on.

It's a revolver, the only safety is between the lad's ears.

70 posted on 01/30/2006 11:21:26 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Jotmo

As an armed, conservative woman, I only wish that the gun-fearing female was considered as abnormal as the gun-fearing male.

This is the 21st century - things should be changing.


71 posted on 01/30/2006 11:21:27 AM PST by JillValentine (To be compassionate to the cruel is to be cruel to the compassionate.)
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To: acad1228
I'm also assuming that the safety is on.

Revolver. Wheel gun. 6-shooter.

72 posted on 01/30/2006 11:23:05 AM PST by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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To: pabianice
"If I had a gun I'd kill some people I know. I mean that literally. I hate them so much that I'd shoot them. That's why no one should be allowed to have a gun. I'd kill some people I know."

"A man's got to know his limitations." Dirty Harry (Magnum Force, 1973).

73 posted on 01/30/2006 11:23:58 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Jotmo
This is a near ancient piece, and it still has the same problems that it always had.

Not every man is a fighter and not every man should be a fighter. To be perfectly honest, I am a fighter, have always been a fighter, and in my later years I've begun to regret it to a certain degree. There is still a little piece of me that revels in physical confrontation, and to be honest, I don't like that piece of me very much anymore.

However, I digress. Having taught self-defense, I can say with certainty that the worst thing that anyone can do is arm the man (or woman) who doesn't have that fighting spirit. A weapon in the hands of the person who lacks the will to cause grievous injury or even death, is a weapon that will never be used in time.

Picking on the gentler people (Christ called them the meek) because they are gentle is pointless and cruel. Cajoling them into posturing as tough guys, when there is no way they'll ever really be tough guys is just reckless and places them in even more danger than they'd otherwise be in.

74 posted on 01/30/2006 11:24:13 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: jjm2111
Irresponsible photographer or photoshopped image. Even if the rounds were added to the pic, he's breaking the rule of pointing the weapon.

That was my first thought as well. I noticed though, that at least his finger was outside the trigger guard.

75 posted on 01/30/2006 11:26:13 AM PST by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: Ghengis

I corrected myself on #40 about the trigger finger.

The photo was not so much about safety and the kid's abilities as it was about the perception with the gun-grabbers. In some ways, it's a cool photo.

I was with a buddy and his very petite girlfriend. He gave her a 2" barrel .357. It about knocked her over. Kind of funny actually. That's my experience with Magnum's and real little people. The kid looked like he should be able to handle it and bravo for him. The fact remains, it was a somewhat irresponsible act to take the photo, and really irresponsible to publish the photo on the Internet.


76 posted on 01/30/2006 11:26:21 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: oldenuff2no

Bows are deadly, but they lack stealth. They might be quiet, but it's damned difficult to sneak them anywhere. Outside of woodland warfare, I wouldn't worry too much about guys with bows. We'd see them coming.


77 posted on 01/30/2006 11:26:40 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: mountn man

And guns require a certain temperment. As the instructor of the CCL class I took said, "If you threw an ashtray at your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife during your last fight, you might want to rethink carrying a gun."


78 posted on 01/30/2006 11:29:15 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: cyclotic
The fact remains, it was a somewhat irresponsible act to take the photo, and really irresponsible to publish the photo on the Internet.

How about this one?


79 posted on 01/30/2006 11:31:43 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

you do realise you just gave about a thousand liberal DU lurkers strokes and caused many more to wet themselves when they scrolled down and got to that picuter right ?
:-)


80 posted on 01/30/2006 11:31:59 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Melas
And guns require a certain temperment. As the instructor of the CCL class I took said, "If you threw an ashtray at your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife during your last fight, you might want to rethink carrying a gun."

Absolutely. I find that when I go about armed, that I am a much more polite person, and let things slide, that I'd normally not be as willing to do so.

81 posted on 01/30/2006 11:33:07 AM PST by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: Melas
Picking on the gentler people (Christ called them the meek) because they are gentle is pointless and cruel. Cajoling them into posturing as tough guys, when there is no way they'll ever really be tough guys is just reckless and places them in even more danger than they'd otherwise be in.

Just when we're starting to have a little fun picking on the nancy-boys, you have to come along and ruin it.

You are of course correct - the difference between sheep, wolves and sheep dogs covered elsewhere - but the antagonism is due not to the reluctance of the sheep to take up combatives, but instead their lack of comprehension and respect regarding those who are willing.

As to the "more danger...otherwise" comment, do you advocate capitulation for those lacking the "fighting spirit", or do you believe having moderate skill predisposes one to seek trouble?

82 posted on 01/30/2006 11:36:53 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Doomonyou
My bad. The only pistol I've ever fired was my dad's Colt 1911. That was 40 years ago. I was 4 years old (and yes, I held onto it.)

Nowadays, I rely on my Pitbulls (no safety lever there either) as a first line of defense, followed by my Winchester 30/30.

83 posted on 01/30/2006 11:40:09 AM PST by acad1228
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To: Michael Goldsberry

That one I like. Pistol is pointed off to the side a bit, not obviously loaded and most importantly, it is held by an adult. This one also has a public service type message attached. My main gripe with your earlier one, besides the obvious safety issue is that the gun grabber crowd can use it to our detriment.

Here's an idea, post the photo of your son on www.thehighroad.org. See what your response is there. If they give positive reviews, I'll make a loud public apology for calling your photo irresponsible.


84 posted on 01/30/2006 11:41:14 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: xsrdx
As to the "more danger...otherwise" comment, do you advocate capitulation for those lacking the "fighting spirit", or do you believe having moderate skill predisposes one to seek trouble?

Want to know the cold hard truth that every self-defense instructor knows, but won't tell you because it would be an end to his business? If you don't have the will to fight, it doesn't matter. No skill, moderate skill, highly skilled, it doesn't matter. Without that primal brutishness, you're going down the first serious confrontation that comes your way. You can do double jump spinning hook kicks or be the best guy on the shooting range, but if deep down, you can't tear his jaw off or rip big gaping holes in his chest, you'll hesitate on the street.

85 posted on 01/30/2006 11:44:59 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: cyclotic
it is held by an adult.

LOL! I know many adults whom I would never want to see holding a gun. It's a question of personal responsibility, not age.

Thanks for the website, I'd never heard of that one before.

86 posted on 01/30/2006 11:45:10 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Shady

It's not just men. Women should know how to use guns too. Conservatives get it. Reactionaries don't.


87 posted on 01/30/2006 11:51:11 AM PST by JillValentine (To be compassionate to the cruel is to be cruel to the compassionate.)
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To: Melas

What a great post. I love women who can see things the way they really are.
Some men will never learn the lessons of Nazi Germany etc..

I believe the "meek" Christ was referring to are the people who are meek before God, not man. Also, I don't believe that people who practice their 2nd Amend. rights are posturing as "tough guys". I think that might be an unfair evaluation. I consider people who carry as informed and responsible citizens (myself included).


88 posted on 01/30/2006 11:51:27 AM PST by oneofmany (Proud to be intolerant)
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To: cyclotic
This one also has a public service type message attached.

Perhaps the next cretin who plans on abducting a child will think of that picture and realize that not all of them are such easy prey.

Some folks don't tell their children that guns are off limits, rather enable them with the knowledge of how to defend themselves.

89 posted on 01/30/2006 11:51:55 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Jotmo
That reminds me. I need to order a couple thousand more rounds to replenish my arsenal.
90 posted on 01/30/2006 11:55:34 AM PST by Gritty (“Palestinians are so depraved they're electing candidates on the basis of child sacrifice-Mark Steyn)
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Michael,

Just to be certain, Please don't confuse me with someone who thinks guns are off limits to children. I had my 12 year old at the range with me recently and am teaching an Eddie Eagle class tonight to a bunch of Cub Scouts with another class Thursday.

You'll like THR. Lot's of good gun guys hang out there. Plenty of Freeper crossover too. I'm just a lurker there but they've got some good insight.


91 posted on 01/30/2006 11:56:45 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: oneofmany

You've completely misunderstood everything I've said. I carry, daily. I'm talking about cajoling those who lack the temperment to carry, into carrying.


92 posted on 01/30/2006 11:57:12 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

Not to be picky:

Meek-In its use in Scripture, in which it has a fuller, deeper significance than in nonscriptural Greek writings, it consists not in a person's "outward behavior only; nor yet in his relations to his fellow-man; as little in his mere natural disposition. Rather, it is an inwrought grace of the soul, and the exercises of it are towards God. It is that temper of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting"

I would hope that meekness is something which becomes more characteristic of my attitude towards God on a daily basis; however, I am well armed and would not hestitate to use those arms to protect those whom I love, or even other innocents.

I don't believe the males she is referring to in this article necessarily embody biblical "meekness". In most cases I would guess it is just the opposite.


93 posted on 01/30/2006 11:58:44 AM PST by bereanway
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To: Michael Goldsberry

Hmm, that's nice. He has good form, but it looks like he's going to miss just a bit low and left. It's nice that he's shooting hollow points. Can't decide if it's 357 or 44 mag.


94 posted on 01/30/2006 11:59:54 AM PST by sparkomatic (I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. Phil 4:13)
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To: cyclotic

Um, the finger is not on the trigger.


95 posted on 01/30/2006 12:01:16 PM PST by sparkomatic (I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. Phil 4:13)
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To: cyclotic
Please don't confuse me with someone who thinks guns are off limits to children.

I wouldn't think of it.

Thanks again for the website. I'm going to check it out in a bit.

96 posted on 01/30/2006 12:05:26 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Jotmo
Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter.

There are no guns on brokeback Mountain.

97 posted on 01/30/2006 12:06:10 PM PST by uglybiker (Humuhumunukunukuapuaa)
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To: newgeezer

"Compensating" is stuffing a sock in your underwear like some rock star. Owning guns is just cool.


98 posted on 01/30/2006 12:06:22 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: All

anti-gun male is an oxymoron.

similar to modern liberal and intelligence.


99 posted on 01/30/2006 12:06:37 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Melas

I understood everything you wrote. I don't think anyone is trying to cajole those who don't want to carry into carrying. I think they're saying "If you don't want to practice your right, that's fine, just don't tell me I shouldn't be able to practice that same right."

Unless I've missed some posts from people who are saying we should cajole said people into carrying.


100 posted on 01/30/2006 12:06:54 PM PST by oneofmany (Proud to be intolerant)
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