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Bush to propose cuts in fighter plane production, Army Reserve
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=34657 ^ | January 29, 2006 | Lolita C. Baldor

Posted on 01/30/2006 10:34:57 AM PST by Blogger

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To: Blogger
Nor you the positive.

But I'm not at least theoretically answerable to a board of directors.

81 posted on 01/30/2006 1:19:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Walkingfeather
My bet is you are going to see a huge production jump in UAV's

Considering where I spent most of my adult life, I hate to say this, but I think you are right.

I'm not going to get into specifics, or at least that hasn't been mentioned elsewhere on FR, but you can do a helluva lot with UAVs - with their autopilot capabilites, you can basically send a bunch to certain areas, and then take individual control - when you are finished with one, send it back, and move on to the next.

I don't even think we've begun to explore the capabilities of UAVs.
82 posted on 01/30/2006 1:26:30 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: PAR35
But the two real benefits are in performance and in the decrease in casualties.

But with the loss of human ingenuity one could argue we would ultimately lose out with regard to both those variables (dangerously so regarding the latter).

83 posted on 01/30/2006 1:37:21 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: af_vet_rr

Tiy are on it exactly. I think we are going to see Long Range and Long loitering UAVs that will pin down a area and region much much quicker than trying to deploy and entire fighter wing. Anytime we see a potential problem brewing we swarm and area.

I wonder if they are working on any search and Rescue UAVs (helo) that can be remotely called in, pilots or walking wounded crawl aboard and out they go. If you had a swarm standing by lurking waiting to be called in, you could have one pilot controlling many and then include a homing program in them to fly them to where ever you wanted them to go... that would be amazing.


84 posted on 01/30/2006 1:53:39 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

Now imagine the cluster of enhanced UAVS are deployed by a mach 20 transporter, and are able to deploy mini-UAVs(insect-sized) that can fly into buildings and ID bad guys... Damn.


85 posted on 01/30/2006 6:23:07 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Blogger
You have issues.

Because I don't want the taxpayers to spend millions in pork for an engine that isn't needed?

I don't have any finanical interests in this other than as a taxpayer. I doubt that you can say the same.

86 posted on 01/30/2006 6:40:26 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

The engine is needed.

Your arguments have been all over the map.

And, my financial interests are my own. I would not suffer financially without the Joint Strike Fighter Engine. I strongly believe, however, that it is a stupid idea to get rid of it. For diplomacy's sake. For safety's sake. It's a bad move.


87 posted on 01/30/2006 7:44:51 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Hypervigilant

"With fricking lasers coming out of their foreheads.."


88 posted on 01/30/2006 7:46:40 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Blogger

Well, at least it's the Army cutting the numbers back, not government.

And 4 billion is a drop in the bucket for our Air Force when compared to just maintenance/fuel/training costs of our current fleets.


89 posted on 01/30/2006 7:49:14 PM PST by Se7eN
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To: Walkingfeather

Not a bad touch, the lasers...

Seriously, the future of warfare will be unlike anything seen or imagined, well, except for the imaginations of a few really sick and twisted folks...


90 posted on 01/30/2006 7:54:05 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Blogger

Some Clintoon leftover in his administration gave him this number, and he has to do it as some sort of "Give" to the Dimorats.


91 posted on 01/30/2006 8:21:31 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Blogger

We are to heavely disarm our forces once the "War on Terror" is over. what is worse...If a Democrat wins in 2008, we will lose almost 90% of current forces.


92 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:26 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Se7eN

It isn't a meaningful cut, financially. It has a whole lot of meaning elsewhere.


93 posted on 01/30/2006 9:44:08 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Hypervigilant

I agree, they are already creating simulators with laser weapons in them now. I think warfare will change quickly when you have renewable weapons like that. Weapons that have infinite ( relitivly speaking) amount of shots rather than a plane that drops a load of bombs returns and then re loads.


94 posted on 01/30/2006 10:23:12 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Waverunner

I disagree with that. If that was the case, then why is the top speed for the yf23 with the GE engine still classified? I believe that f-15 and f16 are using the GE 110 engine also.


95 posted on 01/30/2006 10:51:48 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: Blogger
Your arguments have been all over the map.

Since you have trouble following them, I'll boil them down.

The plane has a perfectly good engine. Paying another company to develop a second engine to do the same job is pork and corporate welfare. And given GE's corporate hostility to Christianity, I'm glad they are getting the short end of the deal, and I hope, but don't know, that given that the commander in chief is a Christian, that there is a cause and effect between their irresponsibility and the loss of the engine contract.

96 posted on 01/30/2006 11:09:13 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Blogger

Cut subs and some of the fancy aircraft programs. Create another five light infantry brigades and bring the SF groups to 100% fill.


97 posted on 01/30/2006 11:14:31 PM PST by MadJack
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To: Walkingfeather

The airborne lasers being considered (chemical oxygen iodine lasers) use a chemical fuel which is broken down in the process of firing. There's nothing infinite about it, you get as many shots as you have chemical fuel to take.

The 747 based airborne ABM laser system has fuel for about 20 shots.


98 posted on 01/30/2006 11:25:34 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Little Ray; One Proud Dad

If you cut the help for the Israelis they will cease to exist. If you cut the help for Egypt it will turn into a islamic theocracy.


99 posted on 01/31/2006 12:48:23 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: CGTRWK

true......except for this.....http://www.blacklightpower.com/


100 posted on 01/31/2006 5:08:48 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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