Bush is kicking away his base

Townhall.com ^ | Jan 30, 2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

[pollyannaish]

Thanks for the articulate reply. As Dennis Prager always says, clarity is the most important thing. As far as the border goes, we will all be debating this for years to come.

You are right. I know that the party has indeed changed, even in my lifetime. And so has the country. In fact, so has the world.

I think that is the fundamental reason why political parties, nations and even conservatism ebb and flow. We all believe what we believe and generally, that does not change. We are also products of our own generations and experiences.

Honestly, I think sometimes the fact that any of us can agree on anything is quite miraculous.

I also want you to know, that I am genuinely glad we are on the same side in principle, even if we disagree on specifics. It takes all of us.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Jefferson was a Democrat Republican (anti-Hamilton party founded to thwart Hamilton and Washington) as opposed to the Federal Republican party. There were many similiarities between the modern RATs and their antecedents particularly in their common opposition to anything which strengthened National Security, alliances with our enemies (Jefferson's beloved France today the terrorist states). Deluded economic theories and a willingness to out lie about the opposition are two of the greatest similiarities.

Jackson and those following Jefferson fell all over themselves praising the Mountebank of Monticello. They ALL claimed themselves to be his followers. Almost all Democrat-Republicans became Democrats while almost all Federal-Democrats became Whigs. Jefferson was a Democrat.

[jmc813]

Funny how the unappeasables are going berzerk right when Bush puts two very Conservative Justices on the bench.

The unappeasables are the ones responsible for Alito even being nominated. If it were up to folks like you, we'd be stuck with Justice Miers.

[PRND21]

Bad week? Your whine is falling on ambivalent ears.

[meema]

VERY GOOD POINT, Mr. Mojo.

[meema]

LOL! How True!
Getting the second good one was certainly not HIS idea!

[jla]

I'll remind you that that 'enemy', France, saved the colonies from losing the Revolutionary War. And one of those 'terrorist', LaFayette, remained a dear, lifelong friend of Geo. Washington.

You'll have to expound, if you care to, on what exactly you mean by 'deluded economic theories'. To me, Thomas J always seemed to pretty much in sync with men like Reagan where taxes, banks, and econ. matters were concerned.

"and a willingness to out lie about the opposition".

Granted, he was guilty of this, though I honestly believe he was sorry for it, and felt great remorse at having estranged himself from Washington. I won't say he felt the same about Hamilton, of whom Thomas J had no amity towards at all.

"Mountebank of Monticello"...Funny, though Sage of Monticello is closer to the truth.

[jla]

By the way, you can also include James Madison as one of those
admirers of the "beloved France".

[William Terrell]

He's not? Darn!

But you're free to vote against republicans running for a number of other offices over the lack of spine on illegal immigration.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

New GOP symbol:

[justshutupandtakeit]

You need not remind me of things which were superceded. Those among the French who aided our Revolution were precisely those who were BEHEADED by Jefferson's friends early in the Revolution.

Lafayette was only spared because of the intervention of George Washington. He had to send his children to live with Hamilton in New York for them to be assuredly safe.

Mainwhile Jefferson was running his mouth about how the Revolution would be justified if only one man and one woman was left in each country. Yammering on about the "Tree of Liberty" needing blood while it was the blood of those who fought for us being shed. His fanaticism was equal to that of Robespierre at least in rhetoric. You could not be more wrong about the French Revolution and those who assisted the US.

Jefferson believed the US should always be a agricultural economy and held economic views outdated by two generations. He was the deadly enemy of all who adopted a view that the promotion of modern capitalism was the way to riches and power. That was the view of Hamilton and Washington. J did not understand banking, money, or the role of government in transforming the distorted economy left by England's mercantilist imperialist economic polities which were designed to consign the Colonies to the role of economic support for the home country. This was the reason for Hamilton's Report on Manufactures.

Jefferson weakened our military so much that we could not even defend Washington from 10,000 British soldiers. His idea of a navy was to limit it to coastal defense and to let the navies of other nations have the carrying trade. Had there not been three federalist administrations prior to Jefferson's I have no doubt it would have been as complete a disaster as could be. Thank God for Washington and his right hand, Hamilton.

Jefferson was an excellent cabinet maker and rhetoritician.
His life made his rhetoric a total lie. Jefferson was only sorry he got caught slandering Washington but his actions against Hamilton were far worse. He is the most overrated of our Presidents and his beliefs helped pave the way to the Civil War.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Madison was a valuable player in the 1780s until Jefferson returned from France when he promptly went off the deep end and started sabotaging efforts to strengthen the Union. He also did not understand economics, finance or banking or the need to diversify the economy.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Reagan gave amnesty...would you feel better if Bush gave amnesty to an equal number of illegal aliens?

I doubt it.

Bush spent big partly to rebuild a military left in ashambles by Bill Clinton, and to stop a dangerous downward spiral in the economy that started about a year before Clinton left office, and was made worse by 9/11. Today's economy should answer any questions you have about whether the Reagan-styled Bush spending worked or not.

I'll save you the time and effort...it did.

Bush I sacrificed his presidency in order to negotiate a deal with the Dems that led to the full realization of the Reagan economic plan; Clinton took office and took credit for the reagan/Bush I economic boom.

"We" did not lose anything, "conservatives" in a hissy fit proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the only thing they can do is put Democrats in power...which they did, twice.

The "conservative movement's" legacy will forever be known as The Clinton Presidency.

[jla]

You could not be more wrong about the French Revolution and those who assisted the US.

My emphasis was not on the "French Revolution", but on the fact that if not for those you described as "terrorists" we would have not defeated the British in our Revolutionary War.

Jefferson believed the US should always be a agricultural economy and held economic views outdated by two generations. He was the deadly enemy of all who adopted a view that the promotion of modern capitalism was the way to riches and power.

You're misrepresenting Thomas J's views on the matter. He was against any form of a centralized gov't, (another pin in your Jefferson = Democrats balloon). Though he favored an agriculture economy, he did not advocate the evisceration of manufacturing and industry.
Another of his anti-Democrat traits is he championed the property owner, believing that property sacred and should never be taxed. Along with the fact that his views on taxation in general correlate those of today's supply-siders I'd hardly label Thomas J a "deadly enemy" of capitalism.

Jefferson weakened our military so much that we could not even defend Washington from 10,000 British soldiers. His idea of a navy was to limit it to coastal defense and to let the navies of other nations have the carrying trade.

Granted, he failed here.

Jefferson was an excellent cabinet maker and rhetoritician.

I'd include dialectician along with your two descriptors.

His life made his rhetoric a total lie. Jefferson was only sorry he got caught slandering Washington but his actions against Hamilton were far worse. He is the most overrated of our Presidents and his beliefs helped pave the way to the Civil War.

Hamilton was no choir boy himself. And Thomas J's first term is by many accounts noted as being one of the most successful of all our Presidents.

Thomas J actually predicted a 'civil war' would transpire in this country within a century. He was not, I'll kindly remind you, the only Founder who owned slaves.

Madison was a valuable player in the 1780s until Jefferson returned from France when he promptly went off the deep end and started sabotaging efforts to strengthen the Union.

Jemmy M was a staunch supporter of France his entire political life. It was he, while serving in the House of Representatives, who proposed legislation favoring France in trade and 'discriminating' against Great Britain in these matters, (although his bill was eventually defeated). A representative from Massachusetts, (I believe), named Fischer Ames went so far as to refer to Madison's politics as "Frenchified".

He also did not understand economics, finance or banking or the need to diversify the economy.

I beg to differ.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You can ignore the Revolutionairies KILLING those who helped us if you like but that does not change reality.

Jeffersonianism = States Rights = equal the Democratic Party until the 1970s. Simple and true.

Jefferson hated industry and believed it created great cities which demeaned man and turned him into a debased creature. Thus he discouraged the economic policies which created modern capitalism. He did not understand banks or finance and his great indebtness made him little more than a functionary of the great Scottish and British banks which banrolled his plantations. His inability to comprehend the necessity of a central government of sufficient strength to force other nations to respect it was very dangerous and led to an unecessary war with England.

He was truly filled with many impractical ideas such as the impermissability of taxation on property. That demogogery has always been dangerous and the Pie in the Sky always attractive to the less discerning.

I don't hold Jefferson's slaveholding against him that much or his relationship with Sally Hemmings but the former certainly makes his declamations about "Liberty" ring hollow.

Madison's prescription of favoring France showed his lack of realism as to funding the government and understanding the close cultural ties between the US and Great Britain. Hamilton's program was designed first and foremost with funding the federal government and this meant tapping the great trade with the former mother country. France was neither capable of providing the same goods nor even of understanding what that demand really was. It was a prime example of letting political emotion get the better of financial thinking.

Thanks for the site. I printed it off and will read it.