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NZ Shark Taggers Issue Fresh Warning - "Taranaki Terror" 19ft Great White Shark
New Zealand News ^ | 02 February 2006 | By MICHELLE SUTTON

Posted on 02/01/2006 8:58:09 PM PST by Mongeaux

Scientists issued a fresh warning about a great white shark seen cruising Taranaki's coast line last night after attempts to tag it with a satellite tracker failed.

Marine scientist Clinton Duffy and former New Plymouth marine biologist Demian Chapman attempted to tag the terror of the deep with pop-off satellite tags to monitor its movements.

However, during the mission Mr Duffy did see a great white at least 4m long dive out of the water near Seal Rock, off Port Taranaki.

It is the latest of several sightings in the past month, of the shark dubbed the Taranaki Terror.

"We stopped for the sunset and as we were watching I saw a huge white shark almost breach, it almost jumped completely clear of the water off Seal Rock," Mr Duffy said.

(Excerpt) Read more at stuff.co.nz ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greatwhite; kiwis; needbiggerboat; newzealand; nz; shark
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To: pcottraux
How would you ,or anyone else, know how many people that shark has eaten?

Explain what sharks are good for? Why do we need them swimming around?

Don't recite some bunny-hugger mumbo jumbo, about predators serve a great purpose.

People are the #1 predator and we can handle everything just fine without sharks, grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves, etc.
51 posted on 02/01/2006 11:21:42 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: GladesGuru
It seems you have accepted the enviro-socialist premise that all life is connected...that the earth is alive.

No, I don't.

I'm talking from an industrial viewpoint. It's very simple, really. The Great White Shark hunts and kills seals and sea lions. It keeps the seal and sea lion population down. If the GWS becomes extinct, the seal and sea lion population explodes (they are over-reproducers, like deer). Then, the fishing industry takes a huge hit because many certain fish populations shoot way down because the overpopulated seals are eating them. (And what we're talking about here has more of an impact than the blue whale/krill thing).

Wanting to protect a species from extinction does not make someone an enviro-wacko hippy.

Choose your side: do you honestly believe we should wipe out Great White Sharks? If so, do you have a reason?
52 posted on 02/01/2006 11:23:40 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Beagle8U

Do you have something to say, or do you just want to name call?

Of course, I don't know for sure how many people the "shark has eaten," but judging from shark nature/behavior, I don't imagine it would have eaten anybody (you clearly have been watching too many movies).

Far more people are killed by bees than by sharks. In fact, from an annual view point, I believe more people are killed by ball point pens than by sharks per year (don't quote me on that, I'm not sure).

To wipe out all sharks would be a massive undertaking, costing trillions probably and taking countless man hours.. It would seem like a massive waste that would not really accomplish anything. What is accomplished by wiping them out? You feeling righteous about yourself?

If you want to wipe out EVERY predatory species in the world, go right ahead. Lots of luck to you. Though I think you would soon realize how impotent you are.


53 posted on 02/01/2006 11:30:03 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Beagle8U

Oh, and BTW...far from hugging bunnies, I really hate them. The town I live in has a huge problem with rabbit overpopulation. I think more people need to buy shotguns around here.


54 posted on 02/01/2006 11:32:53 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux
It wont cost a dime, just take all the stupid protection laws away.

You'll never get them all, they will just be rare as hell.

They do nothing that people cant do just fine without them.

Anything that isn't good eating, that is eating things that people do eat, serves no useful purpose.
55 posted on 02/01/2006 11:40:49 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Flavius

56 posted on 02/01/2006 11:47:53 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: Beagle8U
It wont cost a dime, just take all the stupid protection laws away.

No, you actually want to embark on a mission to ELIMINATE them. Why would people who are not being paid with a motive by the government, working independently, even WANT to wipe out sharks? That's a dead end, because once you've wiped them out, guess what...THEY'RE GONE. Then a self-contained industry that becomes dependent on shark-hunting has now crashed. Economic funk.

You'll never get them all, they will just be rare...

They're already that way. Mission accomplished.

They do nothing that people cant do just fine without them.

Of course, I've already made a commment on how badly a shark extinction would damage the fishing industry (due to the inevitable seal population explosion). We could try to keep the seal population down, but no matter what, we're going to take an economic hit. One that is needless anyway. It's a very good idea to try to avoid economic problems.

Anything that isn't good eating, that is eating things that people do eat, serves no useful purpose.

Actually, Great White Sharks don't eat things that we eat. Humans typically eat various types of fish and crusteaceons. GWS normally dine on seals and sea lions, and maybe an occasional sea gull. (when was the last time you ate an elephant seal?). TIGER SHARKS eat GARBAGE, for crying out loud!

But I'm confused over your mentality. ALL things that serve no "good" should be eliminated. ALL OF THEM??? BTW, what does "good" even mean? What GREATER PURPOSE/GOOD are you even talking about? It's completely relative.

Suppose someone who lives a few doors down has a baby. That baby serves you no purpose. It means nothing to you. So are you actively going to go KILL the baby, just because it serves you no purpose? I'm not comparing sharks to babies, but that's where your mentality is headed. You want to WIPE OUT ALL things that don't serve your purpose?

Again, good luck with that.
57 posted on 02/01/2006 11:56:35 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: All

I'm wearie of this issue. And I'm also going to bed.

People, I'm asking you, don't bother me on this issue any more.


58 posted on 02/02/2006 12:15:19 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux
Good luck living in your eco-twit fantasy world.

There must be something on the Disney channel you could be watching now.
59 posted on 02/02/2006 12:17:48 AM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Beagle8U
Good luck living in your eco-twit fantasy world.

Dude, you have got some serious issues. If you don't want to intelligently discuss something, I wouldn't suggest FReeping is right for you.

Let me get this straight: because I don't think it would be a good idea to wipe out ENTIRE species of predators, which I explained for a number of reasons, that makes me a dope-smoking tree-hugging cumbaya-singing hippy?

I'm not an eco-twit, or an environmentalist. You don't even know what any of my beliefs are. You clearly are far too tightly wound, not to mention that you must have a terribly fragile ego.

Oh, and one more thing: I hate Disney. I'm a Warner Brothers man all the way.
60 posted on 02/02/2006 12:26:01 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: GladesGuru

Just ask yourself,"Is this world
any worse off without the Sabre-tooth tigers?"If I were in charge,that fish would be on a slab in a Japanese fish market.


61 posted on 02/02/2006 12:39:09 AM PST by firewatch
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To: pcottraux

Actually, you did just compare a shark to a baby.
Also, if he said just take away te laws protecting the sharks away, it doesn't mean he wants them eliminated, he said he didn't. Then you say that yes he does. It sounds like an argument my 10 year-old and his friend were having "No", "Yes", "No", "Yes".
BTW, I saw this post on another thread, but it can be adapted in this situation "Shoot, Shovel, Shhhh".


62 posted on 02/02/2006 1:52:35 AM PST by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: pcottraux
shark meat is not very good.

That depends on preparation. If you allow the meat to become tainted by the liver then, while the ammonia can be removed the taste is ruined. I have caught and eaten shark. It is not bad. It certainly does not come up to the standard of Pompano or Red Snapper but it's OK. However it is not worth the effort.

If you have eaten a lot of scallops in restaurants, chances are you have eaten skate or sting ray which is the same as shark but without the ammonia complications. I know about that. Once upon a long time ago I made "scallops" to sell to seafood places. 30 years ago frozen scallops from the grocery store included a lot of skate and ray. My brother in law used to think he was a connoiseur of scallops. When I visited him he took me out to eat scallops in a new restaurant. He was incensed when he thought he got bad scallops. Actually it was good real ones. He was really a connoiseur of skate and didn't know it.

63 posted on 02/02/2006 1:53:01 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

64 posted on 02/02/2006 2:09:06 AM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
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To: Mongeaux
Shark Steak Recipes
65 posted on 02/02/2006 2:14:13 AM PST by newzjunkey (In 2006: Reelect Arnold; Get GOP Elected in CA; Halt W's Amnesty for Illegals.)
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To: jazusamo

"He said the warning was not intended to scare people."

I cracked up reading this. Scared, who me?


66 posted on 02/02/2006 5:21:39 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Leisler

What an idiot Treadwell was. And he got is girlfriend killed along with him, but you have to wonder about her brainpower, too.


67 posted on 02/02/2006 5:27:28 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: pcottraux

You realize that things like polar bears and cougars do consider humans as good food.

We don't run fast, and are easier to eat.


68 posted on 02/02/2006 5:55:41 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1502739/posts


69 posted on 02/02/2006 6:05:42 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: Flavius

"thats when spielberg was making movies

what the h happend to that guy,"

He joined the Hollywood leftist elite.


70 posted on 02/02/2006 6:12:50 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: GladesGuru
One last thing. Bear have some of the most interesting metabolic mechanisms of any land animal.

Fascinating. Could you please expand on that? Thanks.

71 posted on 02/02/2006 6:14:57 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Maybe in a last gasp effort to keep us humble. Placement on a menu doesn't enhance one's ego and flies and worms don't make the same point in quite the same way.


72 posted on 02/02/2006 6:23:50 AM PST by katana
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To: Mongeaux
Great whites are sissies! Let my friend, Hector the hammerhead "talk to em". Witness Hector's handywork...



73 posted on 02/02/2006 6:40:59 AM PST by Issaquahking (Islam refusing to accept responsibility for it's renegades, we are speeding their meeting with Allah)
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To: pcottraux
I'm a Warner Brothers man all the way.

Yet one more reason to take your side in this debate.

Although debating ecological concepts with someone with such an 'atomistic' view of species as your tormentor does not offer a very amusing prospect.

74 posted on 02/02/2006 6:54:26 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: All
Hello Mate


75 posted on 02/02/2006 7:32:29 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Mongeaux

76 posted on 02/02/2006 7:33:42 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: All
Darwin candidate


77 posted on 02/02/2006 7:34:18 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Beagle8U
Don't recite some bunny-hugger mumbo jumbo, about predators serve a great purpose.

Sorry dude -the world is far more interesting with dangerous predators in it.

Turning the earth into a giant shopping mall, by eliminating all of the scary stuff, is hardly a worthwhile goal. Nothing to do with their contributions to the ecosystem - sanitized wilderness is boring.

By all means, give a dangerous game hunt a try - maybe you'll learn to respect these remarkable animals. If not, you'll be at least one step closer to "making the world a safer place" for bunnies and poodles.

78 posted on 02/02/2006 7:46:40 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Quilla
Could you please expand on that?

Don't know a whole lot about bear metabolism, but I do know that hibernating bears don't urinate or defecate during hibernation. For 4 to 6 months.

That qualifies as pretty remarkable to me.

79 posted on 02/02/2006 7:49:29 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: pcottraux

It is extremely unlikely that we could wipe out any predator without astronomical costs. And species are more enduring than the eco-socialists who are pushing ESA would admit.

Remember the coelocanth? It was supposed to have gone extince millions of years ago. It didn't.

Try search at www.worldnetdaily.com for Jan Jacobson. There is an article there by Jay Walley which discusses the extinction thingie.


80 posted on 02/02/2006 8:01:07 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: pcottraux

"EAT them???? Attack, maybe...I find that hard to swallow, if you'll pardon the pun. Has that ever actually happened?"

It has. Remember, sled dogs are not pets, and are always hungery. Even a pet will eat a dead or unconscious owner when it gets hungery.

Pets - the original, home based recycling system.


81 posted on 02/02/2006 8:04:40 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Shark steak is good.
Griz are good for pettin'.


82 posted on 02/02/2006 8:09:17 AM PST by sparkomatic (I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. Phil 4:13)
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To: GladesGuru; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; Victoria Delsoul; Lady Jag; ...


But we only have:

- 1 night
- 1 year
- 10 years
- 20 years
- 30 years
- 40 years
- 50 years
- etc. years

for:

- Mary Jo
- Earth
- Neaderthal Ned
- Great White Humans
- Every Bird
- Sperm Whales
- John Wayne Gacy & Jimmy Carter
- Alligators
- Redwoods
- US Senator Heinz
- Sharks
- liberals
- Gum Chewing Junior Senators from NY
- Spotted Owl
- Cockroaches
- Any FOBs
- Blind Purple Striped Whatever
- Robert Byrd
- Dinosaurs

to live!

--

-- Statement/Warning by: (Pick one or more or all)

- Ted Kennedy
- Neanderthal Ned 50,000BC
- Teresa Heinz & John Kerry
- Bill & Hillary Klintoon
- Ted Danson 1990
- algore 1992, 2000, 2006, etc.
- PETA/ELF/ALF/Greenpizza whenever!
- all liberals
- etc.



83 posted on 02/02/2006 9:09:17 AM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: GladesGuru

I'm not arguing with you; in fact, you're taking up my point.

There is a sentiment I'm getting here that people actually want to try to eliminate all predators from the face of the earth to prove man's dominance. THe idea is laughable, and I can't believe I'm arguing against it, but there you go.


84 posted on 02/02/2006 10:13:39 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: headsonpikes
Although debating ecological concepts with someone with such an 'atomistic' view of species as your tormentor does not offer a very amusing prospect.

Well, at least someone agrees with me.
85 posted on 02/02/2006 10:14:47 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: chae

No no no no no.

If you read this guy's post, he said that we should not only eliminate ALL sharks from the face of the Earth, but that we should take it further and eliminate all PREDATORS from the face of the Earth. That's what I got from his posts. At least when I got past the name-calling and accusations of being an "eco-twit."

My comparison of shark/baby was not on the end of the shark and baby, but to the person doing the killing. The idea was that we should wipe out everything that does not serve a purpose of a greater good. My first question was what exactly is a greater good that is worth wiping out everything that does not fall into its service. The baby story is an exaggerated example of such a mentality.


86 posted on 02/02/2006 10:18:35 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
"I still don't know why God made sharks ... or grizzly bears."

To control the population of stupid people. Just a guess.

87 posted on 02/02/2006 10:27:20 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: Mongeaux
Pretty scary fellow!
88 posted on 02/02/2006 10:51:17 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: pcottraux
Well, at least someone agrees with me.

Well, there is that small satisfaction.

Chin up!

89 posted on 02/02/2006 11:35:53 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes


I'll get some of these.
90 posted on 02/02/2006 11:52:12 AM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: devolve

LOL!

That was very good!


91 posted on 02/02/2006 1:11:24 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: sweetliberty

"I still don't know why God made sharks ... or grizzly bears."

To control the population of stupid people. Just a guess.


To control the population of slow runners? - just a thought.

;-)


92 posted on 02/02/2006 4:54:08 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Mongeaux

Indeed sharks live an extremely complex life, theres a clue here, given that they’ve been on the planet hundreds of millions of years and we know very little about them, such is the complexity of their lives.
Sharks do prefer high fat, blubber, content, but the ‘mistaken identity’ theory is under question by some of the foremost authorities on shark behaviour, as is the ‘test bite’ theory.
Many ‘experts’ have long since advocted the initial strike is not a ‘test bite’, but simply a ‘crippling’ bite, to render prey dead or unable to protect itself, this makes sense given all apex predators behave in this way.
‘Mistaken Idenity’ - Very unlikely, sharks see very well under water. More likely is that for e.g, when a shark attacks a seal, it lies in the water, not rescued and unable to protect itself. That cant be said for humans, we get bitten and scores of helpers appear on the scene, more often than not are helped out of the water, and thankfully, survive. If left in the water, its almost certain they’d be eaten, theres thousands of accounts online to verify this.

Of course, the real problem is people. A race who’s level of ignorance is only surpassed by their stupidity.
It’s a simple equation. The sea is a vast wilderness, spanning over 90% of the worlds surface, it isn’t a playground for the arrogant and stupid. When you enter that world you run a calculated risk, for herein lies monsters. Most surfers accept and acknowledge that risk, in real world times, after all, its very unlikely to ever happen. Respect nature, it’ll be here long after the human race.


93 posted on 03/07/2012 6:02:55 AM PST by nylons
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