Skip to comments.Rumsfeld Likens Chavez's Rise to Hitler
Posted on 02/03/2006 5:40:36 AM PST by xzins
Rumsfeld Likens Chavez's Rise to Hitler
WASHINGTON (AP) -
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld likened Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to Adolf Hitler, reflecting continuing tension in relations between the United States and the Latin American government.
Rumsfeld, asked during a National Press Club appearance Thursday about indications of a deteriorating general relationship between Washington and parts of Latin America, said he believes such a characterization "misses the mark."
"We saw dictatorships there. And then we saw most of those countries, with the exception of Cuba, for the most part move towards democracies," he said. "We also saw corruption in that part of the world. And corruption is something that is corrosive of democracy."
The secretary acknowledged that "we've seen some populist leadership appealing to masses of people in those countries. And elections like Evo Morales in Bolivia take place that clearly are worrisome."
"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally - just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally - and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."
There have been increasing signs of hostility between Washington and Caracas, and on Monday Chavez said Venezuela's intelligence agencies have "infiltrated" a group of military officials from the U.S. Embassy who were allegedly involved in espionage.
Venezuelan authorities, including the vice president, have accused officials at the U.S. Embassy of involvement in a spying case in which Venezuelan naval officers allegedly passed sensitive information to the Pentagon.
It was not the first such charge by Chavez.
He has accused President Bush of backing efforts to overthrow his leftist government, and specifically has charged that the United States supported a short-lived coup in 2002, fomented a devastating strike in 2004 and expelled some American missionaries from Venezuela for alleged links to the CIA.
Washington has repeatedly rejected the allegations.
I have recently read that Citgo Gasoline is owned by Venezuela. Anyone know if that's true.
"I have recently read that Citgo Gasoline is owned by Venezuela. Anyone know if that's true. "
It's true, although it wasn't always true.
This won't go over well with Chris Dodd and Jimmuh Carter.
I believe it is.
Yes it is true CITgo is owned by Chavez..I do not buy gas at citgo stations..but others must choose for themselves I am told Kennedy family has connections with Citgo.
I don't remember Jimmy Carter certifying Hitler's election, but I could be wrong.
In debate, there's whasits rule that claims the first to bring up hitler or nazism loses the point.
This, though, is a bit different. There is no debate, and this is our SecDef making a comparison.
Hitler demonized Jews; apparently, Chavez demonizes Americans.
Is there state control of the economy in Venezuela or is there still private ownership of business?
Chavez & Kennedy .... Moveon's dream ticket... :>)
Makes me want to forego Citgo.
Hitler demonized Jews; apparently, Chavez demonizes Americans. "
That's true. But Hitler did a lot more than that.
And then we get offended when the NAACP or somebody else likens Conservatives to Nazis.
There was only one Hitler.
"Rumsfeld Likens Chavez's Rise to Hitler"
I'll worry about it when he invades Poland.
Let me know when Chavez starts rounding up Americans, putting them into cattle cars, and sending them to death camps.
Hitler wasn't known for demonizing the Jews, he was known for exterminating them, to the tune of 6 million.
Frankly, it (IMHO) makes Rumsfeld look ignorant of 20th century history.
True, and all Rumsfeld has compared (so far) is Hitler's RISE to that of Chavez.
Government control of business, demonization/scapegoating of an "enemy," and elevation of an elite were some of the hallmarks of national socialism/fascism. Chavez probably learned from his ba'athist mid-east friends in the oil cartel.
Its a subsidiary of the Venezuelan state oil company.
How about border skirmishes with neighboring S. American countries.
That settles that, doesn't it? Thanks.
Again, Rusfeld used the word "rise." He compared Chavez to Hitler's RISE.
And, yes, Hitler demonized Jews long before he acted against them. The date of Kristalnacht....November 1938....was the official beginning of the pogrom.
The issue is similar tactics and behavior during the "rise."
Chavez is doing what Hitler did in 1933 and 1934, using his democratic election to consolidate power, persecute opponents etc. Try the V-Crisis website for some perspective on this. There will be elections in Venezuela later this year. They will look a lot less free than the previous ones moving in the direction of a one party election which is what happened to elections in Germany in the 1933-34 period. Its a good comparison for Rumsfeld to make. Hitler was a lot more than the Holocaust, although its his most notorious act. There's an old book called "Berlin Diary" by William L. Shirer, not to mention his large book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." Both books give perspective on the tactics and philosophy of Hitler and the Nazis that are replicated all over the world today from Islamofascist countries to the mainstream media in the United States to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.
By that definition, there are more than a few folks out there "like Hitler". Why is Rumsfeld using it only on Chavez, and not Castro, or Hamas, or any of the others.
It absolutely dilutes the horror of the 3rd Reich. Mein Kampf was published in 1925, well before Hitler's rise. He pretty much laid out his intentions re: the Jews in that book.
Lots of countries have border dieputes. Invoking Hitler or Nazis with regard to some pipsqueak banana republic is ridiculous.
Next thing ya know, we'll start getting blasted daily about how dangerous Venezuela is, they are harboring terrorists and nukes, axis of evil, most dangerous, etc, and we have to attack, in order to make them democratic.
Citgo gas is all there is on the navy bases in the Norfolk area. It's just about the only gas I buy, 'cause it's cheaper and more convenient.
That would be Godwin's Law.
chavez was elected saying he would use oil revenues to benefit the poor. However, poverty has increased from 45% to 55% during his rule. This week he unilaterally increased the state take on oil. He has expropriated idle businesses and land for redistribution. Florida is full of refugees. People with money have escaped creating a brain and capital drain. As his mentor is Castro, I think his inspiration is communist, not Nazi.
Hitler became Kanzler by appointment from von Hindenburg on 30 January 1933, in what was supposed to be a compromise coalition government with Franz von Papen, a former failed PM, serving as vice-chancellor. That arrangement lasted about 18 months, by which time von Hindenburg had died and Roehm's SA had eliminated the majority of Hitler's opponents' leadership, then was himself killed on Hitler's orders.
That the myth of Hitler's ''election'' is so persistent is absolutely astonishing. One would think that a smart chap like Rummy had read his history at some point. Guess not.
articles and commentary on chavez:
Why? In a parliamentary system with a multide of parties (Weimar Germany being one example), ruling parties are seldom in an outright majority. They build a coalition with other parties and the now majority group gets to govern. Hitler got to the post of Chancellor the way any other Weimar politician would have, that is be part of the governing coalition where the deal includes giving the post of Chancellor to that politician.
Hitler's plurality (the largest one at the time) would have made it undemocratic not to include the Nazis or to ask him and his party to attempt to form a government. It would have been the right thing to do, but uncustomary and discriminatory.
Personally, what I find astonishing are those who continue to try to spin Hitler's election as not being "real." Hitler was as elected as anyone can be in a parliamentary system with a fragmented electorate giving rise to many, many parties.
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Oh Rummy, haven't you heard of Hitlerum ad absurdum?
And we should traat him as a Hitler wannabee and remove his pathetic carcass from power.
I'm becoming more convinced that either Cheney is getting old and senile or he thinks the average American is old and senile; neither of these is good. I mean 'Hitler' references, for crying out loud?
Can't he try something original? Maybe Nero? Calugula? Ghenguis Kahn? Hell, maybe even Sadaam! I mean there are plenty of tyrants to choose from when it comes to cheap similies to throw around the debate. Personally, I think you're a retard if you stoop that low, but if you must do it, Dick, come up with a new one.
The article was talking about a comment by Rummy..not Cheney.....(snif-snif)
What he doesn't tell you is that that hiring was necessitated by political purges of the previous PDVSA workforce.
They're honest people, and Chavez's political goons reamed them -- and nobody in the U.S. press/MSM peeped about it. They'd have screamed bloody murder if ExxonMobil or Amerada had carried through a bloodless purge of their U.S. workforces, targeting Democrats and minorities.
Chavez wants to use PDVSA, and everything else he has got, to screw with the United States. He hates our guts going all the way back to when he was a leftist punk with a gun, back in the early 60's. He's totally hardcore. He gave Osama Bin Laden $1 million just as a business card to get Osama's attention, after 9/11, because Chavez admired Bin Laden's attack.
Nixon knew that democratically-elected demagogues who want to subvert the democratic process must be stopped. Therefore, Nixon supported the coup against Allende.
Unlike Nixon, President Bush missed a golden opportunity by refusing to support the coup against Chavez in 2002. We will pay dearly for years to come for this political misjudgment.
Imagine if Hillary gets elected, packs the US Supreme Court with 10 Justices loyal to her, and starts acting like a dictator. Every time she's taken to court, the US Supreme Court sides with her. There is nothing to be done to stop her under the political landscape created by her machinations.
Concerned about the destruction of our Republic, a group of military officers put Hillary in prison and create a national unity government until elections can be held. Nevertheless, all our foreign allies side with Hillary, and she's restored to power.
How pathetic that would be. That's the way I see the Bush administration's failure to support the anti-Chavez coup.
Now there is little hope of ever getting rid of Chavez, since he has 'amended' the Venezuelan constitution to guarantee his power until his death, the Venezuelan Supreme Court is full of Chavez' appointees, and the military leadership has been cleansed of any anti-Chavez leaders.
He gave money to Bin Laden.
After all, Chavez is a communist who is always rambling-ranting-raving about the bourgeoisie and the evils of capitalism.
hmmm, how do you say "Power To The Proletariat!" in Spanish?
¡Energía Al Proletariado!
In the not-too-distant future everyone on earth will have been characterized as Hitler. The avant-garde should start looking for a fresh metaphor any day now.
I am disappointed in Rumsfeld. Hitler was not elected. He was appointed because Von Papen wanted to get back at Kurt Von Schleicher. Von Papen thought Hitler could be controlled. But in the election before Hitler's ascendency to the Chancellorship, the Nazis actually lost votes, and they were never close to a majority.
I bet there are lots that have given money to Bin Laden, that we are not reacting this way to.
Can you ping me to the thread where Chavez has his unhinged response? It's a-comin'.
Guess that means Mother Sheeham is cavorting with Hitler. AND yet she wants to meet with the WH Hitler - I am confused. /sarcasm
Well isn't that special - a Keenedy connected with the new Hitler.