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Death Knell for the Case against Scooter Libby?
The American Thinker ^ | 2 04 06 | Clarice Feldman

Posted on 02/04/2006 9:22:59 AM PST by Kitten Festival

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To: Boundless; All

I'm thoroughly confused. Please clarify.....

Seems to me that Fitz would have to:

1) establish that a crime had been committed, and then

2) investigate to determine who committed the crime.

Somehow, Libby has been charged with obstructing part 2 of this scenario without part 1 ever having been established.

Where have I gone wrong?


61 posted on 02/04/2006 11:50:37 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

Good point, how can there be obstruction of justice when no injustice has been committed ie. a crime.


62 posted on 02/04/2006 11:57:37 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Howlin; All
Excellent !! How did you find that??

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Finally, consistent with the view of Presidential authority in foreign and military affairs discussed in prior sections of this letter, Dellinger (Bubba's WH counsel), advised that a President's responsibility to decline to execute unconstitutional provisions is:

"......usually true, for example, of provisions limiting the President's authority as Commander in Chief.

Where it is possible to construe such provisions constitutionally, the President has the authority to act on his understanding of the Constitution."

(snip)

Though the title of this opinion diplomatically describes Presidential authority as one "to decline to execute" unconstitutional statutes, it is clear, from this and other OLC opinions, that the intent was to confirm the President's authority to act, in rare cases, in contravention of provisions reasonably believed to unconstitutionally intrude on the President's constitutional responsibilities and authorities.

(snip)

This OLC Opinion prepared for President Clinton's Office of Intelligence Policy and Review by then-Assistant-Attorney-General Randolph d. Moss, advised that the President could disregard statutory restrictions on sharing criminal wiretap information with intelligence, notwithstanding that the statute carried criminal penalties. OLC advised that:

(snip)

"..........The Constitution vests the President with responsibility of all matters with the Executive Branch, including where necessary, the collection and dissemination of national security information. Because it's "obvious and unarguable" that no governmental interest is more compelling than the security of the nation, ...the President has a powerful claim under the Constitution to receive information critical to national security or foreign relations and to authorize its disclosure to the intelligence community.

Where the President's authority concerning national security or foreign relations is in tension with a statutory rather than a constitutional rule, the statute cannot displace the President's constutional authority and should be read to be "subject to an implied exception in deference to such Presidential powers." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(had to revert to rarely used stenography skills for that one ;).

New Dim title: CIP - Constitutional Impairment Party

63 posted on 02/04/2006 12:12:39 PM PST by STARWISE (Sedition:an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority- to cause the overthrow of govt)
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To: Capriole
At the cost of DC legal representation, he is probably already approaching financial problems.

My opponents in a civil suit ran up a bill of over $1,000,000 and had to eat it when they settled.

64 posted on 02/04/2006 12:15:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: STARWISE; AliVeritas

AliVeritas linked me to it this morning in Freepmail. Trying to figure out how to post a .pdf!


65 posted on 02/04/2006 12:18:16 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: STARWISE; All

Who the heck knows how to cut and paste from Adobe????


66 posted on 02/04/2006 12:18:58 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Owen
That the investigation did not find anything significant as to Plame's status becomes irrelevant in the narrow focus of the indictment. The lawyers on that team know that. So does the defense.

Don't all factual allegations of the complaint have to be argued?

67 posted on 02/04/2006 12:22:51 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Howlin

You can save a copy of it, but unless you have the Adobe Acrobat software program .. not just Acrobat Reader .. I don't think you can copy and paste or edit in any way. We'll get an expert answer soon, I'm sure.


68 posted on 02/04/2006 12:24:37 PM PST by STARWISE (Sedition:an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority- to cause the overthrow of govt)
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To: Kitten Festival

"It is growing exceedingly obvious that the Special Counsel made a number of misrepresentations to the press and the court."

Translation: Fitz is a LIAR.


69 posted on 02/04/2006 12:26:24 PM PST by Palladin ("Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."...John Wayne)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

O'Reilly says his defense fund is at $2M. :-)


70 posted on 02/04/2006 12:28:07 PM PST by rvoitier ("Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans." -- Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kimberly GG; Owen

> Seems to me that Fitz would have to:
> 1) establish that a crime had been committed, and then

No, but he would have at least needed to be investigating
to see if a crime had been committed, rather then just
running a sham investigation to see if anyone could be
indicted for having a faulty memory.

> Only the judge decides what is relevant for the jury
> to hear. If the indictment is narrow and the judge
> declares it is valid, the jury will not be called
> on to second guess that.

Unless at least one of them is familiar with
jury nullification, and detects the kangaroo case;
not to mention the possibilities for appeal.

But I suspect this will never get that far, as the
Libby team will be denied the ability to mount an
adequate defense:
- materials withheld by Fitz
- reporters who refuse to testify
- material the CIA won't de-class
with the case being tossed at some point as a result.


71 posted on 02/04/2006 12:29:00 PM PST by Boundless
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To: boomop1

That's what usually happens when you get involved with chuckie schumer and the msm.


72 posted on 02/04/2006 12:29:34 PM PST by rvoitier ("Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans." -- Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Picky...picky! LOL!


73 posted on 02/04/2006 12:30:13 PM PST by Palladin ("Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."...John Wayne)
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To: sauropod

mark


74 posted on 02/04/2006 12:30:26 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: STARWISE; Howlin

> I don't think you can copy and paste or edit in any way.

Unless it's disabled by creator-specified document
security, you can use the Text Select tool to hilight
passages, and then Copy using Edit > Copy, or whatever
means are standard for your OS.

Check security with:
File > Document Security [Display Settings]

Note that PDFs generated with older versions of Acrobat,
Distiller or PDFwriter have no concept of paragraphs
(or document structure generally), so you may have to
copy line-by-line.


75 posted on 02/04/2006 12:34:27 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Ninian Dryhope

“The sum and substance of his case is now clearly seen to be the difference in the recollections of Libby and those of Matt Cooper of Time Magazine, Judith Miller, then of the New York Times, and NBC’s Tim Russert regarding certain conversations. But these conversations do not involve the deliberate “outing” of a covert agent, did not affect national security and at best involve differing recollections of insignificant matters which should never rise to the level of a criminal prosecution. “

Then somebody’s fat head should be nailed to he wall.


76 posted on 02/04/2006 12:35:15 PM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: Kitten Festival
Discovery requests by Lewis Libby's defense team and the Dow Jones lawsuit to unseal the redacted pages of the Judith Miller appeal are proceeding.

A good part of it is already unredacted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571203/posts?page=9#9
http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/common/opinions/200502/04-3138a.pdf

77 posted on 02/04/2006 12:39:02 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Howlin
He's NOT guilty.

Not guilty is correct - no trial yet.

78 posted on 02/04/2006 12:41:13 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: PhiKapMom
That was a smart move on Libby's part. This is getting interesting as discovery progresses.

He's mounting a vigorous defense. IIRC, Judge Walton said he would conduct the next set of hearings around Feb 23 or so. The evidentiary rulings will set off a minor firestorm - no matter which way the rulings go.

79 posted on 02/04/2006 12:43:06 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Kitten Festival

More Democrat failures and coverups to come.


80 posted on 02/04/2006 12:44:17 PM PST by agincourt1415 (Democrats still lose)
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