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UK: Cannabis Psychotic Nearly Killed Me
Times UK ^ | Jan. 5, 2006

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:53:49 AM PST by Wolfie

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To: Know your rights

I'm not back-peddling at all.
Read more, and you'll find out that both conditions exist.


221 posted on 02/10/2006 11:10:18 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: robertpaulsen
I never claimed anyone would lose their job, now did I. I said:

OTOH, it's not hard to imagine that those whose livelihoods benefit from mj prohibition would advocate for mj prohibition.

You must still be smarting from beating your side took:

Do you think the expansion of the Interstate Commerce Clause to include regulation and prohibition of drugs and firearms is a proper use of that clause?

Member Opinion

No 85.9% 1,703
Undecided/Pass 9.1% 181
Yes 5.0% 99

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=124;results=1

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You need better arguments if you hope to get into the game here.

222 posted on 02/10/2006 12:08:52 PM PST by Ken H
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To: robertpaulsen; JTN

Perhaps I should have said that the existence of a link is indisputable and the extent of causality, rather than scale, is debatable.

Certainly a quick google, for example

http://www.health.vic.gov.au/drugservices/pubs/cannabis.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4052963.stm

would seem to bear this out. Anecdotely, many psychiatrists report being convinced of a causal link - whether this is stronger for those pre-disposed doesn't contradict my original post.

I admit to not being 100% objective here in that I once watched someone basically go nuts and it seemed obvious that the huge amounts he was smoking were a big part of it, but I am well aware that my subjective view is not science.

Still, to echo rp's question (and hat tip for the ping) what's your point?


223 posted on 02/10/2006 1:10:11 PM PST by Killing Time
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To: mtbopfuyn
Perhaps, but there's a reason it's illegal.

So was alcohol too - is alcohol any less damaging to an addictive personality??

224 posted on 02/10/2006 1:35:02 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: robertpaulsen
It always amazes me that the defenders of this foul smelling dysfunctional causing plant neglect to see the repercussions it has on adolescents.

The group that tends to be its largest consumer.
225 posted on 02/10/2006 4:42:12 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: robertpaulsen; SupplySider
I can't help but worry about all the kids who might be influenced by an apparent governmental and societal stamp of approval.

What other non-rights-violating activities should we ban for adults lest kids think they're OK? Drinking? Smoking? Reading Marxist literature?

SupplySider wasn't suggesting that we ban an existing legal activity.

He was appealing to a principle that supports banning existing legal activities every bit as much as it supports keeping illegal activities illegal.

legalization carries with it societal acceptance. This is evidenced by the fact that although marijuana is easier for teens to obtain they prefer hard to get, socially acceptable, alcohol 2:1 over marijuana.

Societal acceptance is one possible reason; preferring the effects is another.

When marijuana was legal for adults in Alaska, the Alaskan teen use rate was double the national teen average.

Is that according to the alleged study for which you've never been able to provide even so much as a title or list of authors? You might as well tell us what your unicorn says on the subject.

226 posted on 02/10/2006 5:49:35 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Brooklyn Kid
Read more

When you make a claim, the burden is on YOU to supply evidence for it ... which you still have not done.

227 posted on 02/10/2006 5:51:15 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: april15Bendovr
defenders of this foul smelling dysfunctional causing plant

Not sure who you're talking about ... I no more "defend" marijuana than I "defend" the foul smelling plant tobacco or the foul tasting dysfunctional causing liquid alcohol by supporting their legality for adults.

228 posted on 02/10/2006 5:54:40 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
How do you feel about teens? Almost 90% of all substance abuse admissions to adolescent programs proclaim to have marijuana problems?

Plus I am a psychiatric counselor that can tell you first hand we share the same stats on our unit for Psychiatric admissions having that age group reporting smoking pot secondary to their mental illness.
229 posted on 02/10/2006 6:08:21 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: april15Bendovr
How do you feel about teens?

I don't want them using drugs ... nor do I want restrictions appropriate for teens imposed on adults. Particularly since there's no evidence that banning marijuana for adults makes it less available for teens, who report that they can get marijuana more easily than alcohol or tobacco.

Almost 90% of all substance abuse admissions to adolescent programs proclaim to have marijuana problems?

When courts sentence teens to "treatment" for possession, of course "treatment" goes up.

Plus I am a psychiatric counselor that can tell you first hand we share the same stats on our unit for Psychiatric admissions having that age group reporting smoking pot secondary to their mental illness.

Correlation is not causation; it may well be that mental illness, or the predisposition to it, increases marijuana use (possibly as attempted self-medication), or that both are driven by some other factor.

230 posted on 02/10/2006 7:16:02 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Most adolescents that smoke pot are singing the same song you happen to be. I wonder where they get their information?

They must have great liberty seeking role models.


231 posted on 02/10/2006 8:10:12 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Know your rights
"He was appealing to a principle that supports banning existing legal activities every bit as much as it supports keeping illegal activities illegal."

Gobbledygook hogwash.

Calling for the legalization of an illegal product involves unknown consequences. Maintaining the legality of a product involves no such risks. Two totally different "principles".

232 posted on 02/11/2006 7:43:02 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: april15Bendovr
Most adolescents that smoke pot are singing the same song you happen to be.

I doubt that ... and even if true it in no way disproves what I've said. Feel free to offer an actual rebuttal if you have one.

233 posted on 02/11/2006 8:29:55 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Calling for the legalization of an illegal product involves unknown consequences. Maintaining the legality of a product involves no such risks. Two totally different "principles".

Rubbish; it's no more "an apparent governmental and societal stamp of approval" in the former case than the latter.

234 posted on 02/11/2006 8:31:49 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

I did supply the evidence. I gave you 2 studies and personal experience and suggested the keywords to check Google and psychiatric literature for more.
I can't spoonfeed you. You have to want to read and do some investigating for yourself.
Otherwise, it's apparent that you aren't really interested in knowing the truth.

Have a nice day.


235 posted on 02/14/2006 5:06:00 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Know your rights

I did supply the evidence. I gave you 2 studies and personal experience and suggested the keywords to check Google and psychiatric literature for more.
I can't spoonfeed you. You have to want to read and do some investigating for yourself.
Otherwise, it's apparent that you aren't really interested in knowing the truth.

Have a nice day.


236 posted on 02/14/2006 5:06:04 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Brooklyn Kid
When you make a claim, the burden is on YOU to supply evidence for it ... which you still have not done.

I did supply the evidence. I gave you 2 studies

Which I rebutted.

and personal experience

Which is nonrandomly selected and thus not validly generalizable.

and suggested the keywords to check Google

Keywords are not evidence.

237 posted on 02/14/2006 3:37:03 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
The bulk of those organizations support further medical marijuana study, not medical marijuana use. JTN is intentionally being misleading -- I say that because I told him so before, so I know he knows better.

My source claims that those organizations support access, which is addressed in point 10. Research is addressed in point 12.

As for being misleading, I provided a link to my source. If you want to dispute their claims then head over to their home page. You will find an email address there.

238 posted on 02/15/2006 9:03:35 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN
"My source claims that those organizations support access, which is addressed in point 10."

First of all, your "source" is a pro-marijuana, Soros-sponsored, propaganda website. Since you know that, you can't simply wash your hands and distance yourself from these lies by saying "my source claims".

Second, saying the organizations support "access" is misleading without specifying what type of access -- most support access under strict medical supervision and control or access under the now-defunct IND.

239 posted on 02/16/2006 6:12:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
First of all, your "source" is a pro-marijuana, Soros-sponsored, propaganda website. Since you know that, you can't simply wash your hands and distance yourself from these lies by saying "my source claims".

What, are you trying to Mojave your way out of this? If you have credible contrary information, take it up with them.

240 posted on 02/16/2006 10:57:37 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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