Skip to comments.Bill would allow guns in car trunks (MI)
Posted on 02/08/2006 8:12:57 AM PST by neverdem
Capital News Service
Governor supports efforts to simplify state's current laws
Firearms owners would be permitted to carry unloaded weapons in their trunks, even if they don't have a hunting license, under legislation under consideration in the state House.
Rep. Tim Moore, the sponsor, said many well-meaning people are unintentionally breaking the present law.
"We want to make sure that law-abiding citizens don't face penalties," said Moore, calling it a "common sense bill."
The bill would require that all guns be unloaded "in both barrel and magazine and be carried in the trunk of a vehicle."
Currently, gun owners who are transporting guns must either have a hunting license or be en route to or from a "rifle or target range, trap or skeet shooting ground, or archery range." Violations carry a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $250 fine.
That destination provision makes the law unenforceable, said Sam Washington, executive director of the Michigan United Conservation Clubs. "I could say I was going out to a range, and the officer would have no way of knowing," he said.
Gov. Jennifer Granholm supports the bill and will sign it if it comes to her desk, said spokeswoman Heidi Watson: "It simplifies current regulations."
The bill is before the House Conservation, Forestry and Outdoor Recreation Committee.
Chairman Tom Casperson, R-Escanaba, said he expected the bill to sail through committee and pass the House because he and Moore have seen no significant opposition.
"Nobody's come forward to me to say that they're against it," said Moore.
Casperson said he plans to schedule a hearing this month.
worse than NY...cant believe it.
I've meant to ask. If you have ammo in your car or truck (perhaps you've just purchased it) and you stop for lunch, and it's a summer day, can the high temps inside your car cause the round(s) to discharge? Seriously.
They are not protected because people hunt.
They are not protected because people enjoy time on the range.
They ARE protected for reasons of self-defense.
Being unloaded and locked in the trunk diminshes their ability to aid in self-defense.
Granholm's getting religion. Is she up for re-election this year?
Does this mean it's presently illegal? Jeez Louise, and people call California liberal.
IMHO, Iraq would have cooked off already.
Unlikely. Sometimes when firing automatic machine guns the barrell will get hot enough to cook one off in the chamber but thats only after many many rounds.
Looks like Michigan is another state I will not retire in.
I highly doubt it. As in my younger days I heard a clunking in my dryer after it had been on for quite a while. It was about 4 9mm rounds. Oops!
On top of that when a round goes off outside of a chamber of a gun it really has no directional force. I mean it would be more like a super mini grenade that wouldn't penetrate a car trunk. The bullet would just lay there and the brass would expand or shatter and that would be about it. IMO
(Note: The guidelines listed below may not apply to a person having a concealed pistol license or a person specifically exempt by law from a concealed pistol license and carrying their handgun in accordance with their license or exemption.)
Carrying of Handguns in the Field
Transportation of Handguns
It is a crime for certain felons to possess firearms, including rifles and shotguns, in Michigan. For more information regarding statewide handgun regulations, obtaining a concealed pistol license or Michigan concealed weapons and firearms laws, contact your local police department or visit the Michigan State Police website at www.michigan.gov/msp.
Still looking for laws regarding long guns.
Yeah, that'll be a lot of use in case of a carjacking.
Striking the primer is what discharges ammunition. If you're asking about a hot evironment, they would have to be tossed into a fire.
yanno, this is actually a redundant law. you can have a weapon in your vehicle for transport for any lawful purpose. remember that MI is an open carry state, therefore transporting it anywhere can be considered "lawful."
also, AG ruled that if you have CCW, you may store weapons in your trunk anywhere, including parking lots of gun free zones.
they don't need to pass a new bill, they need to rescind the old one.
Yes. Who would have guessed?
FWIW, once it's that hot, it's hot enough to char human flesh on contact. (not sure what that works out to in degrees)
A big fat NO! In fact, every law enforcement car and truck in America carries extra ammo in their trunks.
It takes considerable heat to set off a round.
Yes, here in the peoples democratic republik of michigan, it is currently illegal to carry a firearm anywhere in your vehicle unless you have a conceiled weapons permit, or a hunting license...........welcome to a democrats dream state........
I always wondered what the point is of carrying a gun in the trunk of your car.When that fellow snatches your door open at the red light, are you going to freeze the frame for a sec while you run around to retrieve your piece from the trunk?
Thoughtcrime! Everyone knows you are supposed to dial 911 and wait!
NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 451 of 1994
(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow without a hunting license while at or going to and from a recognized rifle or target range, trap, or skeet shooting ground, or archery range if the firearm or bow and arrow or crossbow, while being carried or transported, is as follows:
(a) The firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine and either enclosed in a case or carried in the trunk of a vehicle.
(b) The bow or crossbow is unstrung, enclosed in a case, or carried in the trunk of a vehicle.
(2) Regardless of whether the person has a license or it is open season for the taking of game, a person may carry, transport, possess or discharge a firearm, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow if all of the following apply:
(a) The person is not taking or attempting to take game but is engaged in 1 or more of the following activities:
(i) Target practice using an identifiable, artificially constructed target or targets.
(ii) Practice with silhouettes, plinking, skeet, or trap.
(iii) Sighting-in the firearm, bow and arrow, or crossbow.
(b) The person is, or is accompanied by or has the permission of, either of the following:
(i) The owner of the property on which the activity under subdivision (a)(i), (ii), or (iii) is taking place.
(ii) The lessee of that property for a term of not less than 1 year.
(c) The owner or lessee of the property does not receive remuneration for the activity under subdivision (a)(i), (ii), or (iii).
(3) A person may carry or possess an unloaded weapon at any time if the person is traveling to or from or participating in an historical reenactment.
And here is a link to the proposed changes:
You think that's bad, in Maryland if you so much as stop for a cup of coffee on your way to or from a shooting activity, an unloaded handgun in the trunk is technically "transporting a handgun without a license" which carries a first offense penalty of up to three years in prison.
Shifting into fire instructor mode.
Ammo involved in fires will not explode, (except on TV or in movies.)
The cases will rupture sometimes and the powder will burn rapidly, but no explosion. The round will not "discharge."
If the primer goes first the case will burst.
Ammo is considered a fire hazard, not an explosive hazard.
I've fired M-16 on full auto enough to have a orange glowing barrell.
Put a squard of soldiers all having done this into a Huey and you have a fun, don't touch me moment.
Or press your "Trunk Monkey" button.
Ditto what everyone else already said, as well as ASA Vet. I've tossed reloads that went bad (i.e. usually instances where the case buckled/wrinkled) into a fire. I didn't stand around waiting for them to cook off. But they did explode, after a fashion, enough to move stuff around them.
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN OF 1963 ARTICLE I. DECLARATION OF RIGHTS MCL Const. 1963, Art. 1, | 6 (1992) | 6. Bearing of arms. Sec. 6. Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. HISTORY: Const. 1963, Art. I, | 6, Eff. Jan. 1, 1964. NOTES: Former Constitution: See Const. 1908, Art. II, | 5.
IMO The MI Legislature better get on this little problem sooner rather than later.
For those unfamiliar with MI law, the state requires that newly purchased handguns be presented to local law enforcment for a "safety inspection", within 10 days of purchase. (The handguns are then registered; serial number, caliber, etc. are all entered into the State database.)
If I read the law regarding transportation of firearms correctly, it would appear that anyone in MI who takes a handgun to their local Sheriff/P.D. for the required "safety inspection", is technically breaking the law regarding transportation of firearms, unless that person has either a hunting license, or concealed weapons permit.
Heh! That'll work. Always wanted one of those trunk monkeys.