The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement (Caution, graphic contents)

New Oxford Review ^ | February 9, 2006 | Ronald G. Lee

[Jim Noble]

These couples do exist. They are quite rare, but they do exist.

The article is a very accurate generalization about the fate of men who desire sodomy and who become self-identified as "gay".

The novelty in our time is the "identity", the "orientation".

Sodomites we have always had, and presumably they will always exist.

[Jim Noble]

A little shock went through me when I realized that she herself didn't think it was true, and didn't even care whether it was true: it was enough, for her, that it was "plausible."

Almost all of us here have had that moment, when a trusted leftist mentor or friend lets the mask drop for a moment.

If that's enough for you to change, you never had what it takes to make it as a leftist.

[Jim Noble]

it's a real shame that the Bishops didn't pay attention to him when the book came out. A lot of grief could have been avoided.

If only Stalin knew...

[scripter]

I believe some us point out the non-existence of a gay gene because homosexual radicals and the press do all they can to imply a gay gene exists and is responsible for homosexual behavior.

As Satinover says in The Gay Gene?

What about all the evidence that shows that homosexuality "is genetic"? There is not any, and none of the research itself claims there is; only the press and, sadly, certain researchers do-when speaking in sound bites to the public.

We are not making our own argument, rather, it's the argument from radicals that we are clarifying. As I see it, it's important to remind everybody there is no evidence of a gay gene despite whate we might hear from the radicals and the press.

[william clark]

I don't know why you referred me to post 76, as if that is telling me something I didn't know or agree with.

Perhaps naive was the not the best word I could have used, but you wrongly interpreted my application of it . You are correct, and actually agreeing with me (and I think need to re-read my post more carefully), when you say that the homosexual chooses a lifestyle. My point is that well prior to that choice, usually made as an adult, the urges are already well-established due to environmental factors.

As I stated before, the choice comes when a person recognizes those urges and decides what to do about them. However, it's been my experience that people who just blurt out "it's a choice" are usually saying that the person just chose to behave that way, without any deep-rooted emotional trauma having programmed them toward it. Granted, there are rare cases where it's simply the result of hedonistic experimentation, but for most it's simply not a conscious choice to feel a certain way, any more than I reached a point in life where I made a decision to be attracted to women. Dismissing it as a choice is usually just a sign of ignorance about the nature of homosexuality and/or laziness with regard to feeling any responsibility to be compassionate towards these damaged human beings. That lack of compassion tends to give them a martyr complex and further entrench them in the behavior rather than offer them any hope of a way out of it.

[scripter]

However, it's been my experience that people who just blurt out "it's a choice" are usually saying that the person just chose to behave that way, without any deep-rooted emotional trauma having programmed them toward it.

That's not a great point, that's an excellent point.

I really think everybody could benefit from watching the I Do Exist video and hearing for themselves what ex-gays have said about their same-sex attraction... Their same-sex attraction was not a choice because they were confused. Once their confusion is lifted the same-sex attraction diminishes, some completely and some not completely. Sexuality is a very complicated issue so we should expect different levels of healing.

Of course acting on same-sex attraction is always a choice so perhaps folks can better make their point by clarifying what they mean when using the word choice in this regard.

[scripter]

And now for a working link: I Do Exist. This link will open a new window.

[Wurlitzer]

" As I see it, it's important to remind everybody there is no evidence of a gay gene despite whate we might hear from the radicals and the press."

So for the 4th time I guess normal heterosexuals only like the opposite sex because of society? BS*infinity!

We ARE prewired to do certain things. Some of us are prewired to be smart, dumb, tall, short, blue eyed, brown eyed, etc. What is it about gays and genes that makes certain conservatives take the all or nothing approach? GAYS and the anti-American left are the ones who say it is 100% genetic and they are just as wrong as conservative who say it is 100% society. The reason for the fags demanding the genetic cause is so they do not have to take responsibility for their actions. The reason some conservative refuse to believe that some fags are born that way is because it might give the fags an excuse. It does not.

Behavior is behavior regardless of the cause. Why the heck do normal logically thinking people have a problem with placing the blame where it belongs and that is the individual who feels it is OK to act on any perverted desire that comes to mind?

[scripter]

So for the 4th time I guess normal heterosexuals only like the opposite sex because of society? BS*infinity!

Sigh. That's not what I said. It's a complicated issue and many just can't grasp the issues.

GAYS and the anti-American left are the ones who say it is 100% genetic

Not entirely true. Those who have bought the gay gene lie also repeat the lie, some of whom are on this forum.

and they are just as wrong as conservative who say it is 100% society.

Society is the wrong term to use where environment is a much better term. I encourage you to read How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together. See my profile for more information.

[scripter]

I missed this.

The reason some conservative refuse to believe that some fags are born that way is because it might give the fags an excuse. It does not.

There is no evidence homosexuals are born that way. Of course I'm more than interested in anything you have to the contrary.

[Wurlitzer]

"Society is the wrong term to use where environment is a much better term. I encourage you to read How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together. See my profile for more information."

I'll use whatever term I like without comment from you! It is an all encompassing term. It is obvious you have some agenda and I have no further use discussing this with anyone who will not address the issue of why normal people are born heterosexuals and why we should be focusing on ACTIONs. Seems like nobody wants to discuss the behavior or is that the wrong term.

[Wurlitzer]

"There is no evidence homosexuals are born that way. Of course I'm more than interested in anything you have to the contrary."

Let me turn this around and see if it makes sense to you.

There is NO evidence heterosexuals are born that way.

Anyone on the FR want to try and support that theory?

[scripter]

I'll use whatever term I like without comment from you!

Actually, that's not entirely true either. You are certainly free to use whatever term you like and I am free to comment that some terms are better than others. I have never read a therapist using the term society is this regard. I was just trying to help you realize a better term - one which therapists use.

It is obvious you have some agenda and I have no further use discussing this with anyone who will not address the issue of why normal people are born heterosexuals and why we should be focusing on ACTIONs.

Indeed I do have an agenda: I want to inform everybody that science does not support the radical homosexual when they say a gay gene exists.

Seems like nobody wants to discuss the behavior or is that the wrong term.

Behavior is an accurate term. The argument from homosexual radicals is there's a gene that causes their behavior. There is no such gene.

[scripter]

Let me turn this around and see if it makes sense to you. There is NO evidence heterosexuals are born that way. Anyone on the FR want to try and support that theory?

You keep missing the point. Homosexual radicals and their sympathizers insist a gay gene exists. Science disagrees.

[pollyannaish]

An excellent, thoughtful, honest article. I learned a lot.

Thanks for posting it.

[thehumanlynx]

the rest of your post didnt hint at sarcasm. It actually is possible for someone to think that a permanent and committed relationship is 1 month long. So, sorry for the mix up. Maybe the comma threw me off. Had ( )'s been used it would have been more apparent, but such is life. thanks for clarifying

[thehumanlynx]

Sometimes I have a desire to punch some stupid posters in the face.

Thanks to self control you don't, plus it would end up costing you a lot in computer screens.

[thehumanlynx]

I agree with social factors contributing and building a lifelong network that would encourage such behavior. My contention was about, "thinking it is a choice is naive". I was saying that despite all the external factors associated it ultimately boils down to a choice one makes. I see what your saying, it just resembled, to me at least, as sort of an excuse. I just think its important for people to take responsibility over their own life. Just because my grandfather and 3 uncles were drunks and I grew up in that environment, does that excuse me, in even the slightest bit, that I am an adult who beats my wife and kids?

I don't think so, sure there were social factors that led me to my current lifestyle, but ultimately it is my choice - no excuses. My points is rooted in my supposition that there should, and there are no, legitimate excuses beyond what one chooses to engage in. So I don't have a big problem with what you said, just a slight one mostly in wording and possible in the intent of your post, I'm not sure.

[thehumanlynx]

The point is that if indeed there was a gene that demanded that they be gay is that it does give them an excuse. No matter how hard I wish my eyes werent blue, I cant help that they are. The gay people may choose not to act on their impulses or desires but that still means they are not responsible for them. It goes beyond the behaviour to the root. There is no hope to change if ones DNA makes them a certain way, what hope do homosexuals have if they are ingrained to be that way? None. The fact is that there is a way to change, it is possible. The reason homosexuality has become so rampant is that it is no longer the wrong thing to do, its just who they are, they cant help it. Homosexuality has become something that is trendy and cool.

It became that way because it was allowed to be excused. The argument of genetic links is of paramount concern in this debate.

[Aquinasfan]

One suspects that when the particular cut of meat gets too aged for the market, that's the time that the meat goes looking for the young, fresh, and naieve. That's the time when the vampire reproduces.

That would make sense. Yeesh.