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A fresh focus on domestic partners (Focus on the Family supports gay rights bill)
The Denver Post Online ^ | 02/06/2006 01:00:00 AM | Editorial board

Posted on 02/09/2006 12:55:09 PM PST by Terriergal

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To: little jeremiah

hey I was wondering if you were still around!


21 posted on 02/09/2006 1:16:45 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
These folk who think they can redefine what God created (marriage) are only kidding themselves.

Of course, but they're trying to make the rest of have to legally pay for their unhealthy choices... and then of course (as if it wasn't already happening) be able to adopt kids without any hassle whatsoever.

22 posted on 02/09/2006 1:18:05 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Terriergal
Dobson just signed that Evangelical Environmental thingee too...along with Rick Warren and other socialist/social gospel "Christians..."

Actually, that article on the the Evangelical Climate Initiative says that although Rick Warren joined the campaign, Dobson refused to.

23 posted on 02/09/2006 1:20:13 PM PST by TenaciousZ
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To: Mulch
"This is totally false. Dobson has emphatically refuted it."

Where is the statement of the refutation?

24 posted on 02/09/2006 1:20:59 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: Terriergal

Hi, TerrierG! I'm here but not too much - had to give my pinglists to others for a while. Planning a "rant" in a while....

(Just got a lot of other things on my plate right now.)


25 posted on 02/09/2006 1:22:49 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Terriergal
From that article...

“but there are some questions that ought to be answered... in 1989, she [Miers] answered a poll done by a gay rights organization and asked if she believed in gay rights... well, you know what, I do... I don’t believe that homosexuals should be denied a job... I don’t believe that they should not be able to buy a house... I don’t believe that they should not have the same rights everybody else does... I just don’t believe that there should be special rights given to homosexuals that are not given to anybody else…”

I agree with Dr. Dobson. Homosexuals already have equal rights and should not be given special rights. Those who do not believe that homosexuals should not have the right to buy a house, or hold a job, or have free speech, or the right to bear arms are those who would deny anyone who offends them the rights that God has granted each individual.

This legislation would give "non-homosexuals" the same rights that "homosexuals" would be getting as proposed by another legislator in Colorado. This proposal would allow non-homosexual domestic partners to have the same rights as homosexual domestic partners.

To say that this is somehow endorsing homosexual rights is twisting and obscuring the truth into a shallow lie. This is forcing the issue of equality back upon the homosexual community by saying, "No! You cannot have special rights. You can have equal rights with everyone else."

26 posted on 02/09/2006 1:24:24 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: TheCrusader
Why would he exclude Catholics? But *now* he can't take a stand against gays? That's pretty bizarre. After all it wasn't like his organization was a church in which case I could understand some of those doctrinal exclusions...

..But it is a parachurch organization!

BTW I found online an apology to the gay community issued by the co-founder, of FOF, Gil Alexander-Moegerle (why on earth is his name hyphenated???)

http://www.exgaywatch.com/blog/archives/2005/03/1997_focus_on_t.html

(that's a site, as far as I can tell, to try and debunk the idea that gays can change)

Maybe he had more influence than he thought, before he left. Or maybe a ton of lukewarm CINO's have infiltrated the ranks and deceived anyone left that actually had an idea what the Bible says about these things.

27 posted on 02/09/2006 1:26:00 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Terriergal

The article you sited said Dobson did NOT sign it.


28 posted on 02/09/2006 1:26:04 PM PST by Jessarah
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I agree with Dr. Dobson. Homosexuals already have equal rights and should not be given special rights.

Me too.. except that doesn't seem to be what this bill does. I can't cover my 'friend' on my insurance, etc... only my 'domestic partner/spouse.' I also don't think that heterosexual couples not married should be able to have each other on their insurance policies.

29 posted on 02/09/2006 1:28:36 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Jessarah

oh whoops - thanks for catching that.


30 posted on 02/09/2006 1:29:13 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Terriergal
Mitchell's bill extends a range of benefits to unmarried people who sign what he calls a "reciprocal beneficiary agreement." He says relatives, friends, roommates and same-sex couples would all be eligible.

Besides it's drawbacks, I can see some benefits from a bill such as this one.

31 posted on 02/09/2006 1:29:30 PM PST by Emmalein (Try not to let your mind wander...It is too small and fragile to be out by itself.)
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To: Jessarah

Just asked to have that pulled.


32 posted on 02/09/2006 1:29:52 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Emmalein

such as?


33 posted on 02/09/2006 1:30:27 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: TenaciousZ

yeah sorry... i got too excited about that. I asked the mods to pull that post.


34 posted on 02/09/2006 1:31:22 PM PST by Terriergal ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God." ML)
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To: Terriergal
except that doesn't seem to be what this bill does.

Ok, the Colorado legislature is going to pass a "domestic partners" bill. Take that as a given, as that is the what the political climate is heading towards right now.

Now, accepting this as fact (although I would vote against it personally), there are now two proposals before the legislature. The first proposal specifically give "domestic partner" rights to only homosexuals. The second proposal gives the "domestic partner" rights to all non-married domestic partners.

Given the first fact, that one of these proposals is going to pass, I would choose the second proposal. Not to give rights to homosexuals, but to prevent homosexuals from getting special rights.

This is being twisted to say that it is giving special rights to homosexuals.

35 posted on 02/09/2006 1:33:56 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"To say that this is somehow endorsing homosexual rights is twisting and obscuring the truth into a shallow lie."

It'll do nicely for the fervent Christian-bashers on this forum, though.

36 posted on 02/09/2006 1:34:27 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: TheCrusader

You had to sign a form that excluded members who follow the Papacy.
Really, I would very much like to see the evidence of that.


37 posted on 02/09/2006 1:35:23 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Terriergal

"such as?"

I've often wondered why I had to be related to someone by marriage to buy insurance for them. I always thought it should be Employee +1, Employee +2, etc. as far as the rates go. Why do they care who is covered?

Just a thought.


38 posted on 02/09/2006 1:37:03 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Terriergal
Medical decisions if a person is incapacitated and their boyfriend/girlfriend/fiance isn't considered family so isn't filled in or consulted.

I'm not looking at this bill as strictly a gay rights bill--that is just a component of it. I just think that since so many freedoms are getting clamped down it's nice to see a little openness.
39 posted on 02/09/2006 1:37:24 PM PST by Emmalein (Try not to let your mind wander...It is too small and fragile to be out by itself.)
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To: L98Fiero

Another good example, thanks.


40 posted on 02/09/2006 1:39:33 PM PST by Emmalein (Try not to let your mind wander...It is too small and fragile to be out by itself.)
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