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WA: Pappy Boyington Memorial Blocked at U-Dub
Paradosis | 2/10/06

Posted on 02/10/2006 1:57:56 PM PST by llevrok

We don't need to honor any more rich white males

So says one member of the University of Washington Student Senate.

Gregory Pappy Boyington...graduate of the Univeristy of Washington (went to High School in Tacoma), winner of the medal of honor, shot down 28 enemy aircraft, was a prisoner of war for 20 months, and apparently does not - according to the student senate - deserve a memorial on campus. Apparently we are told that he "is not the type of person we want to honor" and some even went so far as to liken his duty in WW2 to murder. One of the biggest antagonists of the proposal was apparently the leader of the student Democratic Party. How sad.

This issue is particularly interesting to me because I personally knew Pappy Boyington, not so much as a friend, but as a regular visitor to the Chino Air Museum and Air Show. I met him on numerous occassions and thoroughly enjoyed his willingness to tell me stories about his experiences - and I must say it was HEAVEN to this young man who'd rather feel his way around a restored Corsair than hang out at the mall with his contemporaries.

Pappy was famous for once saying: "Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." And he knew this from personal experience. Pappy's childhood wasn't easy and he and his mother had to work VERY hard to get him through school - he was no rich boy and neither did he live off government grants...personally I wonder if those students who "shot this memorial down" could remotely say the same? And he was a real human being who did not hide his faults, particularly with alcohol and marital problems. Like all heros, no one is a "super" hero. While Pappy could work hard, he could "play" hard too and landed himself in trouble from time to time. Here is a more detailed story...from the University of Washington oddly enough.

Also, clearly, the student who made the racist statement never met him because I will tell you that you could not mistake the Sioux in him. And while he did write a best-selling book (best selling authors are a dime a dozen), he was never really a rich man...rather he spent most of his last days wandering through Air Shows reliving the glory days, never in any grand luxury that I saw. He seemed a very nice man, who despite his personal problems did some extraordinary things to help defend freedom and defeat tyranny and injustice.

But, have our Washington youth revised history so much as this? To compare Boyington (or for that matter any of our WW2 vets) to murderers? What are these kids being taught today? They don't deserve those 20 months Pappy spent being tortured and beaten in a Japanese prison camp...they don't deserve any of what our grandfathers and grandmothers sacrificed to free Europe and the Pacific. Is it perhaps because those precious people are soon to be gone that we feel free to engage in leftist amnesia? I'm angry about dare these snot nose, hemp-wearing, pot smoking, drum beating, dreadlock wearing, "gee when is the financial aid check going to arrive", brat kids diss Pappy Boyington?

Maybe REAL rich white guys ought to be offended (like Bill Gates and Paul Allen) and stop donating money to the UW and then the Student Senators will find they don't have the time to be in the student senate because they need to get themselves real jobs.

If any WW2 vets read this blog, please accept my apology on behalf of the University of Washington - and particularly thier ignorant student senate. We remember what you all have done. My kids will remember too.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ace; boyington; hero; highereducation; idiotlefties; leftismoncampus; marines; pappyboyington; usmc; veterans; wwii
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To: llevrok

Spoiled Rich White Kids should keep their stupid opinions to themselves

101 posted on 02/11/2006 9:20:03 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: sgtbono2002
"She should work as a barmaid she could open beer bottles with those teeth."

She should change her name to Mrs. Ed.

102 posted on 02/11/2006 8:42:36 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: llevrok

Baa Baa Black Sheep was a pretty cool show.

103 posted on 02/11/2006 8:46:16 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: dd5339

I actually met him when I was a young, at an air show.
Very nice to a couple of 12 year old hero worshiping kids. Loved his Corsairs, and spent about 20 minutes talking to us about them.
Men like him are the reason the punk kids on that college campus can whine about "social justice" and all the other mindless crap they drivel on about.
I'd give a good bit to hear Pappy give them a piece of his mind.

104 posted on 02/13/2006 5:58:36 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (No snappy tagline ideas available at this time... Please try again later.)
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To: llevrok

Liberals, read: communists, just HATE the fact that we are not communists. They seek to destroy all heros of the US as a means to weaken us.

105 posted on 02/13/2006 6:36:45 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: llevrok
...and some even went so far as to liken his duty in WW2 to murder.

Hmmmm... Wonder what these "peace-loving", "enlightened ones" think of abortion...

106 posted on 02/13/2006 8:15:30 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: All
what is the Central Plaza at UW lovingly referred to as?
107 posted on 02/13/2006 8:18:16 PM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: CWOJackson
Don't know, but here's a WND article about this mess from the leftist dorks:

WND Article

I fancy myself a WWII buff and cut my teeth on the Pacific theater before moving to the Eurpoean theater. For ANYONE to say Col. Greg "Pappy" Boyington is not a good example for the young skulls of mush is an outrage at best. If you want to look at his life of hard-partying, both during and after the war, then maybe you have a point, but his service alone merits as many accolades as we can give him.

These leftist moon-bats should thank whatever diety they bow down to that people like Pappy fought to let them spew their bile while sipping on latte's from Starbuck's. I hope some female Marine has an opportunity to pimp-slap the bimbo quoted in the WND article just for being an idiot. (A man doing it wouldn't be proper, after all! :) )
108 posted on 02/14/2006 9:41:33 AM PST by Littlejon
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To: llevrok

My father was in a hospital in Italy the day I was born. These brats at UW have no concept of sacrifice, honor, duty or history.

109 posted on 02/14/2006 9:54:29 AM PST by auboy (The press firmly believes in free screech.)
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To: Littlejon

They call it "Red Square".

110 posted on 02/15/2006 7:11:50 AM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: Minutemen

Gag me please!!!!!!!!

Where does this kid get off???

Her parents are probably alive and speaking english because people like Pappy kept the Japanese and Germans from taking over the West.

Is there no common sense or sense of historical significance on college campuses anymore?

and the comment...a man who killed people.

This woman is obviously mentally challenged, as she cannot tell the difference between "murder" and "declared war".

I would guess she would say the same about the guys who helped take down the flight in Pennsylvania on 9/11 too?

It would have, in her mind, been better if that plane had been flown into another building and killed 4x as many.

Get a grip on history...get a life!

111 posted on 02/16/2006 7:16:35 AM PST by joyspring777
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To: Radix

I have been listening to "War Stories II" by Oliver North the last week or so.

I have always considered myself an amatuer historian. Boy did I find out how amatuer I was.

Great should do it. Well done, documented and includes Oliver interviewing the real guys and letting their words speak for themselves.

112 posted on 02/16/2006 7:22:11 AM PST by joyspring777
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To: llevrok

Have you guys heard about the flower child/guy from the 60's who has written a book called...

ready to gag????

The Greater Generation. He has the audacious, ignorant arrogance to claim that those of the 60s counter culture generation that dropped out, drugged out and protested the war were greater than the "greatest generation".

He is probably Ms. Miller's Dad!!!

113 posted on 02/16/2006 7:25:20 AM PST by joyspring777
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To: llevrok

Outstanding post! We owe so much to these great men. The fact that he readily admitted his troubles makes him all the more human.

114 posted on 02/16/2006 7:25:40 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: TexasBarak

It is true.

As a volunteer contractor too!

He was flying in the mid 30s I believe according to Oliver North's "War Stories II". Certainly BEFORE Pearl Harbor.

115 posted on 02/16/2006 7:29:47 AM PST by joyspring777
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To: llevrok
See reply to my letter to the UW president regarding this matter.
They have totally blown it off.. case anyone wants to know WHERE the information regarding the offending comments were pulled from..they are DIRECTLY from this website:
And from this link to the Minutes (as posted by the secretary):
And then from this specific day:
I am wanting to make sure to refer to these specific links, because in the letter below, there is mention of "Different versions of what transpired during the debate have circulated through the electronic media"
I do not want there to be ANY QUESTION, that the comments I am referring to in my letters to the UW, are from any electronic source other than the ASUW SENATE WEBSITE!
I thought you might be interested in this as I am SO ANGRY that I don't even know where to begin.

From: "President's Office" <>
To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:16 PM
Subject: Pappy Boyington
President Emmert asked me to respond on his behalf to your message about
the Associated Students of the University of Washington (ASUW) Senate
debate regarding a memorial to honor Col. Boyington.

The ASUW Senate, an arm of student government on campus, is a forum in
which students discuss a wide range of issues, including the proposal for
the memorial. After considerable debate, the resolution failed by a
tiebreaker vote. As ASUW Senate Chair Alex Kim described in the message
below, students thought long and hard about their decision and cast their
votes for a variety of reasons. Some of the reasons that have been
publicized are addressed in Mr. Kim's report.

According to Mr. Kim and ASUW President Lee Dunbar, who co-sponsored the
resolution, many students felt that we should honor all veterans
appropriately, and not single out one, even though Col. Boyington was a
Medal of Honor winner. It should also be noted that thanks to the work of
Dean Emeritus Brewster Denny and the contributions of many UW alumni,
several years ago the University erected a fitting memorial to UW
students, faculty and staff who lost their lives in World War II.

Different versions of what transpired during the debate have circulated
through the electronic media. I hope you will take a moment to read Mr.
Kim's account. I also hope that regardless of one's point of view on this
issue, the exercise of democracy that occurred at the Senate meeting can
be seen as a meaningful learning opportunity for the students engaged in
the debate.


Eric S. Godfrey
Acting Vice President for Student Affairs


It has recently come to our attention that the actions of the ASUW Student
Senate last night have been greatly misrepresented to the student body and
the general public.  As such I wanted to clarify what actually occurred.

The Student Senate exists to create official student opinion by bringing
together student representatives from all across campus.  The resolution
concerning Colonel Boyington (available online at cited the Colonel's
exemplary service record, including the fact that he was awarded the Medal
of Honor for service in World War II.  The resolution called for the
creation of a memorial in his honor.  Passage of the resolution would not
have necessarily resulted in the creation such a memorial, but would have
recommended it to the University of Washington.

The debate within the Senate was fair, balanced, and respectful.  Senators
representing a diverse array of viewpoints spoke on the resolution,
raising numerous points as to the merits and demerits of the resolution.

1.)     The ASUW Student Senate declined to support the construction of a
memorial for an individual.  This in no way indicates a lack of respect
for the individual or the cause, merely that the Senate did not support
the construction of a memorial.  The Senate weighed factors such as
financial viability, the logistics of implementation, which historical
points are relevant, and the difficulty in assessing which veterans should
be memorialized over others.  Questions regarding these factors were not
addressed in the legislation itself and thus became points of debate
during the meeting.

2.)     Senators speak on behalf of the opinions of their constituents.
This legislation has been posted publicly for nearly a month and senators
have used that time to discuss the issues with their constituents.  There
is no way to distill a central argument of the Senate for or against any
piece of legislation the Senate discusses.  While the vote itself is a yes
or no decision, the reasons senators choose to vote in a particular manner
vary widely.  Therefore, it is inappropriate to represent a decision by
the Therefore, it is inappropriate to represent a decision by the Senate
as resulting from any single statement or point-of-view.

3.)     No senator speaking in opposition to the resolution suggested that
deaths in war are the equivalent of murder.  One senator, in making a
motion to remove references to the number of Japanese planes shot down,
suggested the focus of the resolution should be on the man's service to
his country.  The sponsor of the amendment suggested that death in war was
sometimes a "necessary evil" and that the focus of the honor should not be
on the necessary evil, but rather on the service.  That motion passed
overwhelmingly.  A further amendment to remove the text of the inscription
of the Medal of Honor from the legislation subsequently failed

4.)     No senator stated that we should not pass the resolution on the
grounds that Colonel Boyington was a "white male."  One senator stated
that we have many monuments and memorials to white males, but did not
suggest this was a reason to not support the resolution.

Throughout the debate in the Student Senate, the tone was very respectful.
If you have any additional questions, please contact:
ASUW President Lee Dunbar (,
Student Senate Chair Alex Kim (,
Student Senate Vice-Chair Erin Shields (
or Director of Operations Karl Smith (

Alex Kim
Student Senate Chair
Associated Students of the University of Washington 206.543.1780 (office)
206.669.9562 (mobile)

Office of the President
University of Washington
Room 301, Gerberding Hall
Box 351230
Seattle, WA 98195
Phone: (206) 543-5010
Fax:   (206) 616-1784

116 posted on 02/16/2006 10:48:28 PM PST by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: Bushbacker1

I had two uncles and some cousins who were POWs in Hong Kong. Not all of them survived. I hope the Kamloops Kid (notoriously brutal prison camp guard who was educated in BC) is burning in Hell right now.

117 posted on 02/16/2006 10:53:02 PM PST by coydog
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To: llevrok

This story is on the Big Story with John Gibson, which brought me to this link.

The fact that these idiots are blocking a statue for Mr. Boyington is disturbing.

Do they really have a statue of Lenin in Seattle???

Disgusting people.

118 posted on 02/23/2006 2:54:16 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." President Reagan)
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Damn right.

The last thing this Soldier wants is societal crybabies being forced into the Armed Forces.

I have enough problems to deal with as it is; I can hardly imagine the anger and frustration of dealing with these @$$holes in my world.

119 posted on 02/23/2006 2:57:52 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." President Reagan)
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To: Emmet Fitzhume
"Do they really have a statue of Lenin in Seattle???"

In Ballard, an upscale community across Lake Union from the Space Needle.

Also, the central plaze at UW is lovingly referred to by the facalty and students as Red Square.

The Mariners stadium refuses to fly a U.S. flag where it can be seen from outside the stadium (they probably wouldn't fly one inside if the league didn't demand it).

Seattle 911 records it's greatest number of calls whenever the Blue Angels perform; complaining about those "military" planes.

Folks, this is a good thing. Boyington is too good for UW and Seattle.

120 posted on 02/23/2006 2:58:11 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Didn't the only Congresswoman to vote against the Declaration of War, Jeanette Rankin come from the area.

Probably be OK to put her up in bronze.

121 posted on 02/23/2006 3:00:20 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus
That I can't vouch for, however:

The Seattle area is home to Congressman Baghdad Jim McDermott, and Senator bin Laden builds day care centers Patti Murray.

122 posted on 02/23/2006 3:02:27 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Yes, you are precisely correct. Here is the statue of one of history's most dangerous genocidal tyrants, in Ballard USA as you mentioned. ONLY DISGUSTING PEOPLE KEEP STATUES OF LENIN:
123 posted on 02/23/2006 3:06:42 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." President Reagan)
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To: Emmet Fitzhume

It's better then that. Every state had official 9/11 observances. Governor Gary Locke lead the one for Washington state, and wouldn't even wear an American flag lapel pin.

124 posted on 02/23/2006 3:10:23 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Emmet Fitzhume
Do they really have a statue of Lenin in Seattle???

Yes, they do. And displayed with honor too.

125 posted on 02/23/2006 9:39:42 PM PST by llevrok (Ding your beer, damnit! There are people in Africa sober.)
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To: llevrok

I know.

It makes me angry to think about a ruthless killer like Stalin being displayed with honor, while heroes like Pappy are disregarded.


126 posted on 02/23/2006 9:43:38 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." President Reagan)
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To: Bushbacker1
Thank you for sharing. I have the utmost respect for our WW2 veterans and especially those POW's. Pappy is only one of a very few that are/were human that I think are truly better than I.

I am afraid these little campus *&%^$& over time will white wash our hero's and turn them into criminals. This type of action is devastating to me.

I thank you and your father for your families sacrifices. For he is a real American Hero in my eyes. God Bless

127 posted on 02/23/2006 9:55:15 PM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of an 2 year old son with Down Syndrome)
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