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US group implants electronic tags in workers
Financial Times ^ | 2/12/06 | Richard Waters

Posted on 02/12/2006 4:28:09 PM PST by wagglebee

An Ohio company has embedded silicon chips in two of its employees - the first known case in which US workers have been “tagged” electronically as a way of identifying them.

CityWatcher.com, a private video surveillance company, said it was testing the technology as a way of controlling access to a room where it holds security video footage for government agencies and the police.

Embedding slivers of silicon in workers is likely to add to the controversy over RFID technology, widely seen as one of the next big growth industries.

RFID chips – inexpensive radio transmitters that give off a unique identifying signal – have been implanted in pets or attached to goods so they can be tracked in transit.

“There are very serious privacy and civil liberty issues of having people permanently numbered,” said Liz McIntyre, who campaigns against the use of identification technology.

But Sean Darks, chief executive of CityWatcher, said the glass-encased chips were like identity cards. They are planted in the upper right arm of the recipient, and “read” by a device similar to a cardreader.

“There’s nothing pulsing or sending out a signal,” said Mr Darks, who has had a chip in his own arm. “It’s not a GPS chip. My wife can’t tell where I am.”

The technology’s defenders say it is acceptable as long as it is not compulsory. But critics say any implanted device could be used to track the “wearer” without their knowledge.

VeriChip – the US company that made the devices and claims to have the only chips that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration – said the implants were designed primarily for medical purposes.

So far around 70 people in the US have had the implants, the company said.


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To: Lancer_N3502A

Good One


201 posted on 02/12/2006 11:09:21 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: forrestroche

Too scary..Besides , some kid will figure out a way to change what the chip tells us( probably in a day or two ) and post it on the internet.


202 posted on 02/12/2006 11:11:17 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: forrestroche
They also have too much on their plate to bother (even if they were so inclined) listening in on MY phone conversations. My life is much less interesting than that of a drug dealer or a terrorist.

I guess you should go look up project Echelon. They don't have too much on their plate.

203 posted on 02/12/2006 11:14:08 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: wagglebee
How come they never want to implant these things in the left arm?
204 posted on 02/12/2006 11:18:09 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Too close to the heart .


205 posted on 02/12/2006 11:18:56 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: forrestroche
Logically, to be effective, the program would have to cooerce compliance with forceful implantation

Considering the amount of armed Christians, you'd have a bloody revolution on hand soon after they tried this.

206 posted on 02/12/2006 11:19:24 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: Centurion2000
I have some implants of my own for those who would chip me, they come in:

115g

185g

55g

123g

147g

207 posted on 02/12/2006 11:32:02 PM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: DainBramage
Not only will they track me but they know I buy alot of womens clothes.

You'll be OK as long as you make sure not to buy them in your size.

208 posted on 02/13/2006 1:13:35 AM PST by Erasmus (One fine day, sad to say, we'll all be Democrat voters.)
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To: Army Air Corps

ick.


209 posted on 02/13/2006 1:41:47 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: forrestroche

"Law-abiding US Citizens have chip. Illegals and terrorists don't. Police scan. Chip = good person. No chip = bad person.

Better?"

can you think of any historical parellels where being tagged and identified by your lawful government turned out to be a not-so-good thing down the road?

BTW when you you getting your implant so everyone will know you are a legal US citizen?


210 posted on 02/13/2006 3:34:40 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: inquest

can i get the Winston Smith model with the small corner not covered due to architecural issues?


211 posted on 02/13/2006 3:36:28 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Erasmus

Give me another option.


212 posted on 02/13/2006 3:39:45 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: forrestroche

If someone had described the political and police enviroment, gestapo included, from ,say 1937, to german citizens (gentile or jewish) in 1913, do you think ANY of them would have believed it possible? They would have said you were crazy, an alarmist, and that they were civilized.

If you do not see how an future no-so-friendly state could use this technology to create repression on a scale probably only imagined now in north korea, then perhaps others reading my post will.


213 posted on 02/13/2006 3:40:10 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: forrestroche

It seems to me if you are a law-abiding citizen with nothing to hide there is no basis to object to registration of your law-abiding firearms.

Suppose you have this chip you support implanted and THEN they pass a gun registration law? You then become a criminal if you do not register the guns, and thus a valid target for this chip system to apprehend, along with the various other unsavory types you list. You should assume old 4437's are being databased, you know, and the NICS record-retention is presumably permanent.


214 posted on 02/13/2006 3:46:29 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: af_vet_rr

i wonder if north korea will ever have enough money to actually do this themselves. It is the logical extension of their police state.


215 posted on 02/13/2006 3:48:03 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Mulder

If you have read the Plan of Man novels (I think by pohl?) this would prevent having to sign in manually each time you change location - the planning computer would track you transparently.


216 posted on 02/13/2006 3:51:06 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: wagglebee
EVERYONE should read "Spychips" by Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre. The very real and frightening use of RFId (Radio Wave Identification) by corporations, government, and bad guys. Talk about "no place to hide"...
217 posted on 02/13/2006 3:52:55 AM PST by Libertina
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To: forrestroche; Mulder

"Logically, to be effective, the program would have to cooerce compliance with forceful implantation (and in an area sensitive enough to deter tampering, such as in the brain)."

ok you blew it, trolling is best when not so sublime...


218 posted on 02/13/2006 3:56:27 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: wagglebee

I hope they plan for the possibility, nay probability in time, that the taggee will get killed and robbed of his tag.


219 posted on 02/13/2006 3:58:25 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: forrestroche; All
This issue is more complex than you think, and the threat is widespread and much more likely to impact regular citizens rather than bad guys. (Though it could help there - if used against them not us) Remember, every little step taking away our freedom is always "for the children" to "save one life" or "for our security." Again I say to everyone, please read "Spychips" by Albrecht & McIntyre.

Currently the greatest work being done to institute Radio Frequency Id (RFID spychips) is being done by companies who want to track our product usage even into our homes. Conveniently it also tracks what we do, where we travel, what we eat, buy, etc. The book exposes some Orwellian patents for tracking us (NOT THEM) for all the BAD reasons. Try Gillette, Walmart, Proctor & Gamble, J&J, Circuit City, toll road readers, cell phones, Well, you'll have to read for yourself...

220 posted on 02/13/2006 4:06:10 AM PST by Libertina
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To: Calpernia; All
SPYCHIPS - RFID Radio Frequency Identification
221 posted on 02/13/2006 4:11:48 AM PST by Libertina
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To: vrwc0915
115g ...

750 gr too

222 posted on 02/13/2006 4:19:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: Mulder
Well, to follow the logic of some on that lengthy "guns at work" thread, the argument would be that, since these people accepted the terms of employment when they took the job at this company, this is perfectly within the company's rights chip them like livestock.

Hell, if the company wanted to vivisect them, that would be A-OK, since they knowingly signed on the dotted line.

God help us all.

223 posted on 02/13/2006 4:24:18 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: forrestroche
Man there are a lot of ACLU people on this thread. HOW THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO SEPARATE OURSELVES (REAL AMERICANS) FROM THE ILLEGALS AND "STUDENT" TERRORISTS? You are playing right into their hands. Don't fall for the liberal claptrap. How does a chip hurt the law-abiding AMERICAN? Answer: Not one bit. How does is hurt the evildoer? Answer: Really really bad.

Man, turn your left blinker off, will ya! Blackbird.

224 posted on 02/13/2006 4:59:04 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: BlackbirdSST
How does a chip hurt the law-abiding AMERICAN? Answer: Not one bit. How does is hurt the evildoer? Answer: Really really bad.

Did this person wander on to a nominally conservative forum by mistake? I wonder if he ever heard Sam Adam's quote about licking the hands that feed you and chains resting lightly. Or patrick Henry's quote on liberty. Hell I wonder if he ever heard of Sam Adams or Patrick Henry.

225 posted on 02/13/2006 5:05:06 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: xzins

This will only lead to mandatory dog tags for soldiers, licenses for drivers, bank account numbers etc. The horror.


226 posted on 02/13/2006 5:08:12 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: forrestroche
How does a chip hurt the law-abiding AMERICAN? Answer: Not one bit.

Try seeing the chip as a yellow Star of David (1939 - Germany).

227 posted on 02/13/2006 5:18:37 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: MSSC6644; forrestroche
Try seeing the chip as a yellow Star of David (1939 - Germany).

Actually it would be analogous to the number tattooed on your arm during that same time period.

228 posted on 02/13/2006 5:24:45 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: vrwc0915

230gr


229 posted on 02/13/2006 5:25:05 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: from occupied ga
Did this person wander on to a nominally conservative forum by mistake? I wonder if he ever heard Sam Adam's quote about licking the hands that feed you and chains resting lightly. Or patrick Henry's quote on liberty. Hell I wonder if he ever heard of Sam Adams or Patrick Henry.

As he presents himself, we should all lay down at the feet of his perfection. He's just another lunatic, best I can tell. Blackbird.

230 posted on 02/13/2006 5:30:48 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: BlackbirdSST
He's just another lunatic, best I can tell. Blackbird

lunatic = liberal = jackboot licker

231 posted on 02/13/2006 5:48:05 AM PST by from occupied ga (Peace through superior firepower)
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To: from occupied ga
Actually it would be analogous to the number tattooed on your arm during that same time period.

Actually, not. See http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa031298.htm

232 posted on 02/13/2006 5:51:57 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: forrestroche

ACLU people? So, anyone who believes that privacy is more important than automatic identification is an ACLU ass? Feh.

Regarding friendly fire problems, consider that any device that can be read by us can also be read by the enemy - which means they have perfect little RF homing signals for their outgoing fire. Maybe they even can decode them, so that they can target only officers, all the way up to the CINC.

Think things through before you post - your point makes no sense.


233 posted on 02/13/2006 6:00:14 AM PST by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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To: forrestroche

The chips can be faked. It is possible, and getting easier, to clone a RFID.

By resorting to a scan, you actually make fraud a bit easier.


234 posted on 02/13/2006 6:06:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: xzins

"CityWatcher.com"

Curious. Can anyone find out who the chairman is and his political contributions? My best is he is a Democrat.

They will probably want to do this to gun owners first.


235 posted on 02/13/2006 6:26:15 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: WoofDog123

Britain will do it before North Korea will, becuase they can afford, and because their government would love to have it. I still don't get their government's obsession with tracking everything (maybe because they are an island, it's a lot easier).


236 posted on 02/13/2006 6:55:12 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

yeah i had thought the same thing about the uk, it is pretty much part and parcel of their current campaign to track and know EVERYTHING that happens in country, and store that data forever.


237 posted on 02/13/2006 6:58:12 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Tench_Coxe
This stuff is to be done by proxy ( think of the partnerships between governments and private industry in fascist countries ). Don't think for a moment that this won't be used by governments.

Slightly off topic but relevant to consider is how the US government is currently implementing a National Animal Identification System (Link) using the same chip.

All livestock are to be tagged, and their movements recorded and documented ..... for health purposes, or so they say.

From the NAIS site

The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a national program intended to identify animals and track them as they come into contact with, or commingle with, animals other than herd mates from their premises of origin.

Once the bugs are worked out of this system, it will be ready for the sheeple.


238 posted on 02/13/2006 7:23:01 AM PST by Freebird Forever (Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.)
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To: wagglebee

Hell, I won't even chip my pets let alone a HUMAN BEING!

Things are ramping up out there ... hope He comes SOON!


239 posted on 02/13/2006 7:24:08 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Tench_Coxe

"The technology’s defenders say it is acceptable as long as it is not compulsory."

And the guy that developed it said that it would only be used in animals, never in humans, too. Oops! Guess we had mission creep once again.


240 posted on 02/13/2006 7:46:55 AM PST by webstersII
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To: blogblogginaway

"The "VeriChip" which is what the article is referring to has recently been proven it can be cloned. "

Oh, but don't worry. They will put in some safeguards against this. In fact, they will get the Internet Explorer browser developers to implement the security protocol.

The we know it could never be hacked. </sarcasm>


241 posted on 02/13/2006 7:49:32 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Don W
Verichip is the sole owner and manufacturer (so far) of the chips

It's a bit more convoluted than that.

The patent for the implantable microchip (for both animal and human applications) is owned by Digital Angel Corp. which in turn is owned by Applied Digital Solutions, who also are about to IPO the Verichip Corp. Applied Digital licenses the rights to the human applications from Digital Angel and will spin off that license to the Verichip Corp.

The chips themselves are manufactured by Raytheon (article cite).

242 posted on 02/13/2006 7:54:55 AM PST by Freebird Forever (Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.)
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To: forrestroche

"Do random drug tests or government databases give you the creeps? If your up to no good they should, otherwise, WHO CARES? I don't have to hide behind "privacy" rights (a liberal construct) or miranda warnings because I walk the straight and narrow.

You should too."

You should get out more. Ever heard about this? It's a true story about a guy walked the straight and narrow.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093126/


243 posted on 02/13/2006 7:58:14 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Mulder

Don't worry, this will only be voluntary, comrade.


244 posted on 02/13/2006 8:08:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: forrestroche
Do random drug tests or government databases give you the creeps? If your up to no good they should, otherwise, WHO CARES? I don't have to hide behind "privacy" rights (a liberal construct) or miranda warnings because I walk the straight and narrow.

You are far too trusting of our government and what it tells you.

A lot of Jews trusted a certain government in the 1930s - they thought "we have nothing to hide, we have done no wrong".

There are these things, we'll call them liberals, and occasionally they have the power in the country. It's easy to blow off now, but you will care about databases, government power, tracking, etc., when they are in office again. You will care when they decide to keep track of subscriptions to certain magazines or who partake in certain activities (such as those related to the 2nd Amendment).

Of course, by the time you decide to care, it will be too late.
245 posted on 02/13/2006 8:29:37 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: forrestroche

"Logically, to be effective, the program would have to cooerce compliance with forceful implantation"

Please come and try to chip me.

I dare you.


246 posted on 02/13/2006 9:27:31 AM PST by VRing ("That every man be armed")
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To: MortMan

"Regarding friendly fire problems, consider that any device that can be read by us can also be read by the enemy - which means they have perfect little RF homing signals for their outgoing fire."

And since RFID's have to be "painted" with interogation signals in order to be read, we have perfect big RF homing signals for our outgoing.

( but since current RFID's range about 12 ft max right now, we are within "whites of their eyes" range anyway )


247 posted on 02/13/2006 10:02:31 AM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: vrwc0915; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; ...
CW2, bloody and muddy

Concur. Toward the end of the XX Century, I kept saying that the most analagous situation to that toward which we're now heading is that of the Finnish Civil War of 1918, when Finnish patriots forestalled attempts by their nations *progressives* to jump on the Bolshevik revolution's success in Russia.

Now that we're in the XXI Century, I still know of no better situation for comparison. And as we head toward the anniversary of that Finnish national bloodletting, I wonder if we'll last until 1018 before it blows the lid off.

Outcome

Lives Lost
Reason Reds Whites Other Total
Killed in action 5,199 3,414 790 9,403
Executed, shot or murdered 7,370 1,424 926 9,720
Concentration Camp deaths 11,652 4 1,790 13,446
Died after release from camp 607 - 6 613
Missing 1,767 46 380 2,193
Other causes 443 291 531 1,265
Total 27,038 5,179 4,423 36,640
Source: National Archive

248 posted on 02/13/2006 10:03:54 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: from occupied ga

yeah sure


249 posted on 02/13/2006 10:20:55 AM PST by forrestroche (But ignorance, while it checks the enthusiasm of the sensible, in no way restrains the fools...)
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To: archy
Those Finns were some pretty wicked shots.

Oh, and these things have already been cloned. The mfgr is pretty red-faced about it.

L

250 posted on 02/13/2006 10:21:21 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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