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Posted on 02/12/2006 4:28:09 PM PST by wagglebee
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>>Did this person wander on to a nominally conservative forum by mistake?
member since 2003. 5 seconds of due dillegence would have told you that.
>>>Regarding friendly fire problems, consider that any device that can be read by us can also be read by the enemy
...that's why DoD wants em so bad.
And of course that's way too advanced a concept for the moron you were addressing, but nonetheless, you're absolutely right.
I think I remembered reading that if the first Civil War's losses were extrapolated to our present day population, deaths from a similar civil war today would be over 9 million.
I think all terrorists should have the chips implanted prior to their release (or escape). Then we can send the predators to go get them.
>>>Please come and try to chip me.
I don't want the job - it was undoubtedly fall to somebody a LOT bigger than me (and you).
"...that's why DoD wants em so bad."
Pretty dumb if they did ... when fighting a non-technical foe, all the bad guys have to do is come up with an IED that goes off when it senses ANY RFID tag - their rats scurry across freely, our guys get hit.
>>>>ACLU people? So, anyone who believes that privacy is more important than automatic identification is an ACLU ass?
Well they are the ones always crying about privacy "rights" - which dosn't, incidentally, appear anywhere in the Constitution. It is a construct of the leftist judiciary of the 60's.
My point is that the 4th amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure - and RFID chips can (and will, at some point) be used to search you without your knowledge, and certainly without even probable cause.
The poster I replied to stated that everyone who was against that was an ACLU type. Thet oversimplification is assinine - and genuinely detracts from the debate.
Sure, the ACLU will go ape over this - maybe. But a lot of conservative thinkers will, too. Both factions may be acting under their own, very different set of beliefs. Let's debate the topic, not try to cut off debate by demonizing the opponent.
Doesn't mean that you didn't wander in mistaking this for a statist forum. Your viewpoint is that of a good little government worshiper.
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"My point is that the 4th amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure - and RFID chips can (and will, at some point) be used to search you without your knowledge, and certainly without even probable cause. "
??? Is your local supplier going to start putting RFID's on his baggies full of dope at some time ?
>>>Your viewpoint is that of a good little government worshiper.
And yours of a good little militia freak who can't get over the outcome of the "war of northern agression." In case you didn't know it, OUR GOVERNMENT is the one fighting the terrorists, and GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (Soldiers) - NOT you little militia boys, are the ones DYING fighting them.
I'm not talking about suppliers of illicit drugs. I'm talking about having a chip implanted in your body that will tell anyone with the right equipment, including law enforcement, who you are (and potentially everything else about you) just because you came in range of their scanner.
You seem preoccupied with drugs. I'm talking about "being secure in one's person and papers".
>>>As a nasty aside -- based on recent election results - there are a lot more than 3% of our voting population that "needs killin"....
Can't argue with that.
That's right, only cammied backwater mountaineers with the Stars-'n'-Bars over their huts could possibly object to mandatory chipping of the entire citizenry.
What's your IQ? Be honest, now.
" I'm talking about having a chip implanted in your body that will tell anyone with the right equipment, including law enforcement, who you are (and potentially everything else about you) just because you came in range of their scanner."
Well first off, the chip dosen't tell them "everything else about you" - it's an ID that leads them to a data base which may or may not hold "everything else about you".
Just like your driver's license number does now.
... and IF you choose to live where you are forced to have this implanted, you have agreed to it allready.
"The car hesitated, or rather gave a faint whirring click, as if information, somewhere, was dropping card by punch-slotted card under electric eyes."
OMG! You can't possibly be that retarded, can you?
There isn't any limit on what government are eager to do to their citizens to remvoe their freedoms and unfortunately there are plenty of people like you who cheer them on.
>>>That's right, only cammied backwater mountaineers with the Stars-'n'-Bars over their huts could possibly object to mandatory chipping of the entire citizenry.
Just as only good little goverment worshippers could possibly give some benefit of the doubt to hard-working honest law enforcement officials when they say this might be really useful to us. Only a good little government worshipper could imagine that the Government is up to something OTHER than trying to jail all Americans.
>>>What's your IQ? Be honest, now.
High enough to detect the inherent hipocrisy I have so artfully exposed above. I didn't start the name calling, but while I AM intelligent, I aint too mature for a good ole fashun flame war.
Maybe you better think twice before trying to fit a shoe store in your mouth. There are a LOT of veterans on this board.
Are you a salesman, or just a demonstration model?
Right. That's a lot like the folks who buy a house out in farm country then try to outlaw the smell of bovine excrement - and telling the farmer that they agreed to the new restriction when he allowed the busybodies to buy their houses.
Congratulations on your leap of illogic.
>>>There are a LOT of veterans on this board.
Yes there are, and maybe you should ask THEM if they were "little government worshippers" because they trusted their CinC and did their duty.
Both to you.
Just a question--would you trust a Hillary Whitehouse/gov't with running a RFID program?
>>>Just a question--would you trust a Hillary Whitehouse/gov't with running a RFID program?
That's your crack speaking. That crank will never land in the oval office. And even if some dim does (it won't be her), WHO CONTROLS THE SUPREME COURT NOW? Who controls the Pentagon? Who controls the Congress?
Stop the paranoia
However, someone like her, will eventually get into office. Look at Clinton. If you won't trust a gov't like that to handle RFID, then you cannot give that tool to any gov't--that includes one in which you have the utmost respect/trust for.
Checking out, this is just getting silly now and with all the hysterics, I fear someone is going to have a heart attack. There hasn't been a single post on the merits or risks of the use of this technology in a while. Think I'll water my plants (yes, they are chipped).
heh--I was right. You can't defend this in light of my post.
You've provided no evidence that most LEO's favor mandatory implantation of the entire citizenry. And you've done far more than give them "some benefit of the doubt". You've completely shut off your brain to any kind of rational scrutiny of this extremely ill-advised idea.
I didn't start the name calling
Yes you did, right at the beginning, with your comments on "ACLU types". That shows that you're utterly incapable of defending your position rationally.
you're right i'm just too weak
If the farmer sells enough of his land to allow them to change the land use regulations, just who is the fool?
You seem to have missed what appears to be your own main point - RFID chips are currently used to search you without your expressed consent or knowledge - That's specifically what they were designed to do, prevent shoplifting ... duh.
Every time you leave a store with scanners in place you are being searched. You don't have to wait - go sue Walmart tomorrow.
Taken as a percentage of population, I think they'd be similar....remembering that the Finnish affray was blessedly short in duration. Most authorities set 25 Jan 1918 as the start of the conflict, though the first armed battles happened a week previously. The final Red-occupied stronghold at Viipuri fell on April 28-29 and mopping up continued until May 7, though there were many, many executions after that date.
With a total casualty figure of around 36,640, out of a population of some 3 million, they managed a casualty figure of about 1 per 1000.
Given the U.S. Year 2000 Census population figure of just under 300 million, that'd extrapolate here to more than a quarter million dead... but given a probable longer duration, and improved technologies for effectively performing the task at hand, I'd expect a butcher's bill of at least a million. Minimum.
No .. I did trust my CinC and did my duty over in Kuwait, but if I were ordered by my government to forcibly inject RFID tracking devices in citizens as you suggested earlier in this thread, I would have refused and been on the other side in a heartbeat.
I'd find a new job (or start up my own new business) before I'd allow my employer to do this to me.
Bump for later.
I could see where creeps might murder to obtain personal chips from people. THAT is enough to make one ponder their personal use.
the control of information is everything, and always has been. Even if someone disagrees with the means to the end, you have to admit the framework is being set up so there will be no more civil liberties...
Exactly. People defending government surveillance try to justify it by saying things like "Well, Lincoln jailed editors during the Civil War, isn't that worse?" No, it's not worse than a government that's able to keep tabs on its citizens at all times. Freedom can survive occasional abuses. It can't survive chronic total lack of privacy.
This is music to my ears!
Thanks for the book link.
Also, my site on it too:
But there are all these FORMS to fill out.....
>>>>Try Googling up I.G. Farben to see what I'm talking about.
Monsanto MERGED with THEM too!!!!
How do you say No NAIS in Japanese?
I don't get the impression that these particular chips have lots of personal information about the employees -- just the fact they are allowed into this high security room, and presumably something to idenfity each of them, so if something goes missing, there's a record of who was in the room.
The DATABASE has all the personally information. The chip is the identifier.