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As hunting accidents go, Cheney's is not unusual
Dallas Morning News ^ | Tuesday February 14,2006 | Ray Sasser

Posted on 02/14/2006 4:09:57 AM PST by IrishMike

Vice President, Victim share blame in incident, Texas experts say.......Vice President Dick Cheney's hunting accident was a textbook example of a Texas bird-hunting mishap, and experts say both he and his victim violated basic hunting safety rules. According to Texas Parks and Wildlife records, swinging a shot gun outside a safe zone of fire is the No#1 cause of hunting accidents. On Saturday, the vice president was swinging his shot gun with a flying quail when the bird flew near Austin layer Harry Whittington as the shot was fired. Mr. Whittington was struck in the face and upper body by pellets from Mr. cheney's #28 gauge shot gun. The accident occured on the Armstrong ranch, south of Corpus Christi. Katherine Armstrong, a Dallas business woman whose family owns the ranch, said Mr. Whittington had been looking for a fallen bird and walked up behind Mr. Cheney and another hunter without announcing his presence. Ms. Armstrong is a knowledgeable hunter and was the first female chairman of the Parks and Wildlife Commission. Bird hunters become so focused on their fast moving targets that their visual background may become blurred. "In hunter education, we refer to that phenomenon as 'target fixation'", said Mr. Hall. "Every year, its the primary cause of Texas bird hunting accidents. In 2005, we had 13 reported hunting accidents that involved bird hunters. Twelve of those accidents were caused by swinging the shot gun outside a safe line of fire".

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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Just because you see them out of their natural habitat and in yours, does not mean there are more of them. I use to see them in western NY walking down our village streets....their habitat is being asborbed. Deer, however, may be an exception to the lack of animals situation. But then again...it might just be that there seems to be more since they are now living in the neigborhoods....and are just seen more.


51 posted on 02/14/2006 7:56:06 AM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and exercise books!!!)
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To: Fawn

"No worry....pretty soon hunting will be gone.....the animals are almost all gone.:

Apparently you have no concept about the INCREASE in game (translate for you: animals) in this country. Try driving a road at night...almost anywhere. If you don't hit the deer, you'll more than likely hit a rabbit, stray dog, or other animal. Maybe a coyote.

I'm not sure what planet you live on, but animals are populating so fast, the licensed hunters can't get rid of them.

p.s. Please come to Amarillo or Lubbock...the prairie dogs are taking all of us over. Not to mention the racoons, possums, squirrels, and coyotes that are coming into town.


52 posted on 02/14/2006 9:48:57 AM PST by Maria S
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To: Maria S
NO need to insult me Maria. I believe you completely missed my point. As I tried to say.....(I'll go slow).....'that just because ....'you' or 'people' see more animals....or game as you call it..... it does 'NOT'....does 'NOT'....necessarily mean.....(inotherwords....there is 'no absolute proof').....that that means there are MORE animals/game.' It could mean Maria.....that the animals or game are losing their habitat(homes)...and that 'YOU' ....or 'PEOPLE'......see them in your neighborhood because of it. And you conclude that there are more of them......when in fact, it could be just the opposite.
If you think about it Maria.....lets say a new developement moves on some unihabitated area near you......those animals will run ....they will come to your neighborhood ...to your street and backyard......because their home is being built on...they are kicked out -so-to-speak. SO people like you Maria.....say..."THERE MUST BE ALOT OF THESE DAMN DEER AROUND THESE PARTS BECAUSE I SEE THEM ALL THE DAMN TIME." See?
Please let me know if I still did not get my point across and I will try again. Have a nice day.
53 posted on 02/14/2006 10:02:31 AM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and exercise books!!!)
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To: Fawn
.the animals are almost all gone.

I guess that explains why my dogs chase wild turkeys around my yard in metro Atlanta. It also must explain the elk, bear, etc... that regularly cross my property in northern New Mexico.

54 posted on 02/14/2006 11:15:11 AM PST by jess35
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To: Williams
Everyone's been shot. Haven't you heard?

At least 68% of the people on this forum have been sprayed with shot - and at least half of those more than once.

In fact, if you haven't been shot, you must be a lib'ral.

55 posted on 02/14/2006 11:46:59 AM PST by lugsoul ("He didn't do anything he wasn't supposed to do." - Mary Matalin)
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To: Fawn
Deer Fawn,

There are more deer now than there ever were ... and a lot more than there should be. Moose, Elk, Caribou? No problem.

Upland game bird populations are cyclical depending upon the weather ... and yes on the pace of rural development.

Canada Geese? Pest Proportions

Black Bear? Zooming populations

Mountain Lions? Try having a picnic in the Santa Monica Mountains.

And if Dick Cheney really likes shooting lawyers, there sure ain't no shortage of them in these woods.

56 posted on 02/14/2006 11:50:05 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (End vote fraud. End the Democrat Party)
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To: frankjr

Good info. Thanks.


57 posted on 02/14/2006 11:55:32 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: tcostell
Nice try at clarity, T.

But I read that Lawyer Whittington was brutally shot with an automatic assault revolver rifle shotgun, firing banned dum-dum bullets, by a vicious white racist Republican who has taken millions of kids off the school lunch program and who furthermore is a friend of the Bush Family and on the take from Halliburton, who cause global warming.

This terrible incident, which hits the poor, minorities, and women hardest of all, is clearly yet another domestic policy tragedy and all George Bush's fault. You can whitewash this with technical mumbo-jumbo, but the bottom line is there for all to see.

58 posted on 02/14/2006 12:47:22 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (End vote fraud. End the Democrat Party)
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To: Kenny Bunk; jess35; Fawn

Please speak very slowly to Fawn. She/he is apparently one of those environmentalists who believe trees/animals/insects are in grave danger of those terrible human beans.

For some strange reason, we are being led down the "humans vs animals" road by a few nuts. (once again, no offense to anyone). It makes no difference how much land is encroached upon, if the animal population is not weeded out once in awhile, you have overgrazing of the available land, not to mention the breeding of inferior animals.

If this whole country was barren of human, there would STILL be wolves eating the slowest deer. There would be eagles and other birds eating the slowest rabbits. This country has ALWAYS had a plentiful amount of game, and it always will. And we are no more encroaching upon THEIR territory than any other civilization.

That's the way life is. And BTW, if ANYONE wants to adopt a couple of prairie dogs, I know a couple of places where you can get them free of charge. The little dears multiply faster than mice.


59 posted on 02/14/2006 12:56:32 PM PST by Maria S
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To: mylife

usually found in expensive upland bird guns


60 posted on 02/14/2006 4:25:48 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.)
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To: Lumper20

"The press is PO'd because their elites were not told first and no reporter was invited."

Presstitutes are hardly the people one invites on a quail hunting trip.


61 posted on 02/14/2006 5:07:33 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: opticks

"The only shotgun they've seen is in the movies or in the back of a police car."

The only shotgun they've seen is in the movies or from the back of a police car.

Fixed it.

;-)


62 posted on 02/14/2006 5:09:48 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Sybeck1

"My dad had a 8 gauge at one time, that was a brute!"

Brace yerself - a Safari Club International member had a double barrel 4 gauge made. That's dangerous at both ends if you are as light as I am.


63 posted on 02/14/2006 5:13:36 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: lugsoul
At least 68% of the people on this forum have been sprayed with shot -

Course how many of them ended up in ICU after being 'peppered', 'sprayed', or whatever the latest euphemism is for being shot in the face?

64 posted on 02/14/2006 5:14:22 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: All

Can we PUH-LEASE put a stop to this silliness?!? We are fighting Canada geese off the golf courses, prairie dogs from outside our homes, and deer from our lawns.

Not to mention the stray dogs that someone didn't want anymore. Give it a rest, people!! The gun VP Cheney was using was standard, and he was using the shells that are standard for quail. Not very powerful...quail are tiny, they are good eating, and you don't want to tear them up with major shot. In my opinion, more trouble than they're worth to clean and prepare for eating! Not a lot of meat.

When I hear about the horses, cattle, and other LARGE animals that are being slaughtered (and you do NOT want to know how it's done) for meat here and in foreign countries, this silliness over Cheney's accident is typical liberal, "oh BOY! we've got him now!" crap.

Until you have been bird-hunting, know how to use a shotgun, and have a bird dog who knows what he's doing, please refrain from further comment. Or, if you prefer, please visit us here in the Texas Panhandle and see how we take care of prairie dogs.

This, of course, is being addressed ONLY to vegans who eat nothing but carrots, broccoli, and whatever other plants they can find. If you are a meat-eater, please disregard.


65 posted on 02/14/2006 5:22:10 PM PST by Maria S
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To: Maria S

To solve the prairie dog problem, have you considered a varmint shooting contest? Those lil Dears are a resource waiting to be harvested. Tourism related industries would be happy to get more business, too.

How 'bout running that by Fawn?


66 posted on 02/14/2006 5:25:22 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Fawn
Just because you see them out of their natural habitat and in yours, does not mean there are more of them. I use to see them in western NY walking down our village streets....their habitat is being asborbed. Deer, however, may be an exception to the lack of animals situation. But then again...it might just be that there seems to be more since they are now living in the neigborhoods....and are just seen more.

I live in a rural area. I can load you up on all of the deer, squirrels, rabbits, possum, skunks, coyotes, etc. that you can handle. As soon as they're off of the endangered list, I'll even throw in a few nesting bald eagles we have around here.

67 posted on 02/14/2006 6:31:56 PM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Ghengis

NO Thanks....I'd rather they just live their lives out naturally.


68 posted on 02/15/2006 7:15:01 AM PST by Fawn (I want the Madonna and Mick Jagger diet and exercise books!!!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Surely you jest? A shotgun is an automatic assualt rifle? Good joke. How is the incident related in any way to school lunches? Now your humor is either great or you are career victim? Could any of this have come from moveon/org? I hear moveon.org is paying the far left to chat on AOL. Maybe check into that as those who do might not need school lunch vouchers.


69 posted on 02/16/2006 5:54:47 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: Lumper20
No time to answer your post, Comrade Lump.

Rushing off to golf with wealthy white males. On the way home from the club, we will be stopping to scatter garbage about the slums, and possibly stop by some failing-due-to-lack-of-funds schools to eat the kid' lunches.

This evening, we have a right-wing fundmentalist church supper, and then a militia meeting. It will all be on NPR tomorrow morning and Mara Eliason will explain my kind of people to you in great depth.

70 posted on 02/16/2006 6:03:37 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (End vote fraud. End the Democrat Party)
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To: FrPR

pingaliddi


71 posted on 02/17/2006 5:39:20 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (End vote fraud. End the Democrat Party)
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