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On March 6th, American males must submit US Gov paperwork to be introduced to foreign women
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Posted on 02/14/2006 6:12:25 AM PST by GermanBusiness

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To: x5452

[You are promoting false advertisement and churning. Both of which are against the law.]

You've really got to get over the idea that I am in this business. I am an American citizen in Europe. I have a right to meet foreign women with ZERO regulation and it doesn't matter if this is via the local church or the Internet...it is none of your God-damned business.

Plus, I am a Canadian citizen as well. Apparently I have more rights as a Canadian now when it comes to getting to "hello."


241 posted on 02/15/2006 10:01:30 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: AlexW
It is a very thin line between the International dating sites and the Russian bride sites. The main reason that I would not use the Russian sites is that most of them are scams.

Having known hundreds of American men who use Russian websites to find ladies I can say with confidence that your statements are outright lies. Most Russian websites, and especially the big ones, are run by Americans. There are some smaller ones which are scams, but most are open and above board.
242 posted on 02/15/2006 10:02:55 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GermanBusiness

If you read Russian there are several Moscow-based escort services where you can get numbers for those kinds of gorgeous women. (I suspect there's more than one in English as well)

Marriage agencies are entirely different, and American based ones are the subject of federal commerce regulation, and thus federal laws preventing false advertisement and churning apply.


243 posted on 02/15/2006 10:02:59 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness

If you are going to a business promising Russian women marraiges that business has a right to verify you are willing and able to before they introduce you and federal commerce laws have the right to force them to make every effort to know what they're selling lives up to what they're claiming.


244 posted on 02/15/2006 10:04:33 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452
"have no sympathy for fat bald 50+ year olds"

I am not fat, but I am bald and 50+..
Does that make me scum of the earth? Does that exclude me from having a wife or girlfriend?

I was loosing my hair as a teen.
My pediatrician! told me not to worry as he said,
"My best friend in college was slick as a brick, but he was a fine fellow"
245 posted on 02/15/2006 10:05:35 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: GarySpFc

I would say there are more scam agencies than legit ones though it's easy enough to verify. I know a guy who programmed a web site for a couple of them who felt there were only one or two legit agencies in town and there were well over 40 agencies.


246 posted on 02/15/2006 10:06:05 AM PST by x5452
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To: AlexW

If I had intended to mean simply 50 year olds or simply bald guys I wouldn't have put them all in one sentance.

Don't try recontruing my words.


247 posted on 02/15/2006 10:07:19 AM PST by x5452
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To: GarySpFc

[I have regular discussions with Senator Brownback's office on this very issue. Let me repeat, it will never happen.]

Who's kidding whom? You and I both know the realities. But that doesn't say that the many American males who are not happy with this nonsense shouldn't gather political clout over it. The current State Department attitude is a crime. You yourself had a terrible hassle getting your own wife or fiance into the country when she was not a terrorist.

As I realize that Republican politicians are no help on this, and we just got stabbed in the back with the soon to be overturned mail order bride "law"...I guess I won't be voting for anyone in 2008.

Maybe my Canadian citizenship will turn out to be more valuable than I thought.

I just wish that American males weren't such politically powerless wimps in the face of feminism.


248 posted on 02/15/2006 10:07:53 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: GermanBusiness

Letting thousands of women into the country each year who have been fed false information and are being traffiked in is a risk to national security.


249 posted on 02/15/2006 10:09:19 AM PST by x5452
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To: GarySpFc
For every bad American man there is at least one bad Russian woman.

That sounds like a good idea for a business.
250 posted on 02/15/2006 10:10:31 AM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: GarySpFc
"I can say with confidence that your statements are outright lies. Most Russian websites, and especially the big ones, are run by Americans."

I stated "Russian" sites, not those run by American operators.
Would you care to give your examples?
There are web blogs devoted to exposing some of these sites.

You may say that I am mistaken, but to use the term "outright lies" is a bit crass.
251 posted on 02/15/2006 10:13:05 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: GermanBusiness

10th Ammendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.....except mail order brides, farm subsidies, $442 a night hotels for hurricane victims...blah blah blah

The old communists that ran the soviet union would be proud.


252 posted on 02/15/2006 10:15:39 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource the US Senate to Mexico! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: x5452

[If you are going to a business promising Russian women marraiges that business has a right to verify you are willing and able to before they introduce you and federal commerce laws have the right to force them to make every effort to know what they're selling lives up to what they're claiming.]

We will see you in court. Good agencies will check the sex offenders database and maybe have the guys fill out a form like the new one coming out (the agencies are making up their own forms that they will determine fits the fuzzy law). Where the strikedown in the courts needs to come is the idea that the agency has to send a nonsense form that doesn't say anything to a woman when she doesn't really want to get this and won't be able to make any kind of decision from it. No man is going to put "yes" to a criminal record. For women who have only postal addresses, this law destroys the ability to contact them in any reasonable period of time.

Take for instance: a man knows he is going to Moscow in ten days. He sees a woman who lives two hours outside of Moscow on the Internet. She wants to meet a nice guy. He wants to meet her. But the agency now has to send snail mail to her. Snail mail takes 3 weeks. She would respond with 3 weeks of snail mail as well.

The agency can, legally, only give her address to the man 4 weeks after he has already been to Moscow and returned home.

This is what I am talking about. It is a garbage law that severely gets in the way...and thus underscores what an outrage the regulation is in the first place.

It is none of your God-damned business if a woman wants to meet an American man and someone sells her email address, phone number or snail mail address to an American man.

Nobody died and made you God. Nobody died and made the American Congress God. And Bush Junior then happily signs single male rights away on January 6th...with the jackass Democrat who wrote the bill standing next to him beaming.


253 posted on 02/15/2006 10:17:11 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: x5452

[Letting thousands of women into the country each year who have been fed false information]

Few are being fed false information and, if so, a few guys are pretending they don't work at Costco.

Now here you are an American male saying that Russian single women should not flood the USA like the Muslim illegal aliens who are now flooding the USA.

And you are saying the Russian women are a national security risk compared to the millions of Muslims who are chanting on our campuses.

Right.

Are you a troll? Are you here because I wrote Democrat Maria Cantwell and told her to monitor this thread?

Here you are giving a Democrat verification for her deed. Thanx FReeper.


254 posted on 02/15/2006 10:20:17 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: x5452

[If you read Russian there are several Moscow-based escort services where you can get numbers for those kinds of gorgeous women]

Sorry. Any American in Europe knows the regular women are hundreds of times better looking than any whores. Young women who would have been whores in the past now choose Internet stripping.


255 posted on 02/15/2006 10:22:38 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: GermanBusiness

Anti-churning laws have been on the books since the 20s as have false advertisement laws. There's no way this is getting overturned. People can legally lie, businesses cannot.


256 posted on 02/15/2006 10:22:39 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness

You apparently know a lot about this.


257 posted on 02/15/2006 10:23:18 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness

Few?

In addition to the woman Gary mentioned I know a woman who was brought to America by a gay guy as a cover so his parents (already saddened by his brother's marrying some guy and moving to vegas) would give him cash to buy a house.

95% of K-1 Visa holders return home before the end of 1 year.


258 posted on 02/15/2006 10:25:28 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness
Who's kidding whom? You and I both know the realities. But that doesn't say that the many American males who are not happy with this nonsense shouldn't gather political clout over it. The current State Department attitude is a crime. You yourself had a terrible hassle getting your own wife or fiance into the country when she was not a terrorist.

The immigration laws apply to all countries, and in this case it is called the Visa Waiver Program. Countries which have a poor record of returnees do not get tourist visas automatically. The applicant has to prove beyond any doubt to the counselor officer they will return. The consulates are so strict on this they will not even allow bails being posted as allowed by law. As I stated, it will never happen.
259 posted on 02/15/2006 10:26:43 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: x5452
"If I had intended to mean simply 50 year olds or simply bald guys I wouldn't have put them all in one sentance."

I did not reconstru anything...You just made my point.
260 posted on 02/15/2006 10:27:33 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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