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The world may celebrate the end of the Western civilization
Pravda ^ | 13.02.2006 | Sergei Mikheev

Posted on 02/14/2006 8:38:23 PM PST by presidio9

The scandal with the publication of Prophet Muhammad caricatures in European newspapers has outlined a few rather interesting details. First of all, the world has become open as the West wanted it to be. Secondly, the multi-cultural aspect of Europe has become more than just obvious. The scandal with the cartoons is a very important lesson that Russia needs to learn.

Western politicians have been urging the whole world to become more open. According to the Western point of view, globalization is an inevitable and positive process. It therefore means that the so-called global openness should replace national sovereignty.

The idea of the globalized world has returned to the West as a serious blow. Production centers were moved to remote parts of the world long ago. The Western economy has lost its erstwhile power of competition. More importantly, the world’s biggest oil reserves are located outside the zone of the “gold billion.” To crown it all, the Western civilization has been declining steadily against the background of the propaganda of consumption and personal extra-comfort that have become norms in the Western lifestyle. Having children has become something like atavism in the West which causes too much discomfort and trouble to people's professional careers and personal development. Unlike the “highly developed Western civilization,” Asia , Africa and Latin America suffer from the overpopulation crisis. Western nations gradually lose their cultural identities giving way to undemanding enduring and charismatic nations which in their turn continue their invasion in the West by its own permission.

Indeed, the West has been successfully using the phenomenon of globalization for many years pursuing its selfish needs and minimizing negative consequences. Western countries interfere in other countries’ sovereign affairs, conquer foreign markets, control cash flows, attract cheaper labour force, etc. One has to acknowledge that the Western world has accomplished a lot at this point. On the other hand, every action has a reaction. The world, which the West has been ruthlessly transforming for years, has started to transform the West in return.

American and European politicians promote democracy as the ultimate social structure that should reign in the whole world. They should probably enjoy the victory of Hamas at the democratic elections in Palestine . The West thinks that it has a right to observe and control the fulfillment of democracy all over the world and endorse Western standards in other countries’ cultures. In return, the West has to witness global riots caused with a publication of several drawings in a provincial European newspaper. If the US or the EU administration believes that it is entitled to run a military action against a sovereign state, it means that many Americans may fall victims of a terrorist attack at any moment.

The Western standards have made the world look a fright. Social and political technologies may eventually play a malicious joke with the West. Many respectable politicians acknowledge nowadays that massive immigration may destroy the Western civilization in the end. Immigrants continue to conquer the world promoting their own needs and values. They play a serious role in Europe's political life already. It brings up the idea that they will become a powerful election force in both the USA and Europe in 10 or 15 years.

As a rule, immigrants preserve their national identity, which gives them a reason to defend their rights and needs. They express their protests when a European government bans the wearing of hijab headscarves in European schools. They put Paris in chaos burning thousands of cars and smashing windows. They demand respect for their traditions when European newspapers publish the controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. They do not seem to care about the multicultural paradise on the globe which the West propagandizes so violently.

Immigration has become a serious problem for the USA too. Non-white Americans have become much more socially and politically active than they used to be in the past. There are US experts who think that immigrants and their growing families will eventually create one of the most serious problems for the USA ’s internal security in the 21st century.

It gives up the idea that there will not be a notion of the “Western world” in the future. Those nations which turn down their authenticity to the benefit of the myth about the globalized world will inevitably lose their viability under the pressure of alien aggressive cultures. The nations, which created the Western civilization decades ago and defended its standards and values throughout many bloody wars, do not feel at home in their own lands nowadays. They may continue to fight for homosexuals' rights and explore the nature of women’s orgasm, but they may also defend a right for lethal injections.

The Russian government must pay as much attention as possible to all of the above-mentioned problems. The Russian authorities need to develop a thought-out national policy and identify strategic national goals. Russia already suffers from regional separatism, the ongoing war in Chechnya, the growing extremist sentiments, etc.

American and European officials have perfectly exercised the groundbreaking power of propaganda and PR technologies. Their impact has overthrown empires, tyrants and even international associations. The West has managed to turn whole nations inside out without using missiles and bombs. The uncontrollable distribution of Islamic extremism in the world – the number one concern for the globe – and the growing popularity of such sentiments that leads to the establishment of terrorist networks originally spring from well-known Western political technologies. It is an open secret that the USA launchws several of such projects to struggle with the USSR during the Cold War era.

One may only hope that the global protest against the publication of Prophet Muhammad cartoons is just a single occurrence, or a result of a provocation that will never repeat again in the future and will not take the shape of a global anti-Western movement. It is obvious though that the world is changing right before our very eyes. If events like this continue to occur, the West may fall into a snake pit that it has dug out itself.


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KEYWORDS: china; coldwar2; communism; iran; islamofascism; russia; sovietunion; syria; ussr; venezuela
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To: jcon40
Russia has always fought WITH U.S. in the end - so if another end is comming --- this article seems to really point out the enemy as, minorities and Islamic Idiocy, not the West.

In WWI deals were cut for the spoils of the Ottoman Empire before the "Great Game" was started. I'd bet there's some positioning going on right now.

Russia has never fought us directly, in the open, so to speak.

Instead, The USSR, and now Russia is content to let others do their bleeding for them. It would not be beyond the behaviour of the Soviet Union, (in the 'bad' old days?) to pit the forces of Islam and the Chinese against their old 'cold war' enemy.

Deniability exists should we prevail, plus the opportunity to pitch in "on our side" and share in the spoils of conquest.

Failing that, the mutual destruction of all potential adversaries by one another would leave Russia in a great position to take advantage of that weakness and establish global or nearly global hegemony.

I do not expect to see them in this fight directly, but in the background pulling strings.

I may be wrong, but unless they are directly threatened they will largely keep out of it, except to goad potential adversaries and facillitate their mutual animosities.

Putin is no stranger to Soviet era Strategy, he is 'ex' KGB.

51 posted on 02/14/2006 10:00:23 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

"Russia has never fought us directly, in the open, so to speak."

My post didn't say we'd ever fought them directly. It said "Russia has always fought WITH U.S. in the end"

I agree with all the posts that say they'd love to bleed us and I doubt we are stupid enough to let that happen.


52 posted on 02/14/2006 10:05:44 PM PST by jcon40
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To: bikepacker67
The World is gonna really unravel in the next 40 years

It may well but not along lines of race or religion. \

53 posted on 02/14/2006 10:06:48 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: presidio9
Hey hey! Ho ho!
Western Culture's got to go!
54 posted on 02/14/2006 10:07:32 PM PST by StACase
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To: redpoll

Given the technically uncreative nature of the Muslim culture, congenial neither to capitalism nor science, one shutters to think of the future world. But it must be more than the narrow rationalism of the past, which has produced men helpless before the will of the 'conquered."


55 posted on 02/14/2006 10:11:59 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: TheBrotherhood

Unfortunately, our universities are filled with those who have been taught that we are guilty.


56 posted on 02/14/2006 10:14:01 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: presidio9

I agree with the author. However, I feel most of the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of some shortsighted representatives.

We truck our produce and other goods across country, import foreign produce and other goods, send our children off to school on buses and then we have the unmitigated gall to scream that it's someone else's fault that oil is in short supply and we need to tear up Alaska to find more.

Currently, I'm observing the plains states complaining about their water tables that have been reduced by lack of conservation. HA! What will California do if the Colorado River dries up? I know. They'll attempt to purchase it from Washington state...but that's been tried before...by Enron.

And now Bush is selling off the forest to lumber mills. How many more houses will have to be built to accommodate all the immigrants?

The Bible tells of the last days at Rev. 6:3-8 and we're in them.


57 posted on 02/14/2006 10:17:42 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: jcon40
Russia under the Stalin had initially sided with Hitler.

It was only after Hitler had broken the non-aggression pact that we ended up on the same side.

After that war, they served as advisors to our enemies, supplied them with arms, and in general, fought us by proxy in Korea and Vietnam. They supplied the missiles which the Cubans aimed at us, not to mention their own strategic forces.

They have not been 'with' us since WWII, and then only united against a common enemy who had betrayed them.

Please, give that another think. They are in it for the Rodina, first, last, and always.

58 posted on 02/14/2006 10:21:53 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: bikepacker67
This article is from PRAVADA, for crying out loud.

The writer talks as though Russia was NOT part of the "WEST"!

While some of what is written has a few grains of truth in it, the hyperbolic rest of it, is laughable.

59 posted on 02/14/2006 10:28:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: TheCrusader

"... never trust a Russian."

I think that should be qualified. I happen to know some Russians immigrants in this country who are hardworking, ordinary (except for their broken English) kind of joes. I think you mean the high-ranking Russians are the ones not to be trusted.


60 posted on 02/14/2006 10:28:57 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: presidio9

Finally a comment by someone with his head screwed on straight.

The old Soviet propagandists haven't entirely given up, it seems, and some must still work for Pravda. This is an example of three week old horsesh*t served up on sunday china.


61 posted on 02/14/2006 10:29:30 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: SteveMcKing

If you think that Japan would be open to American immigration and/or that they'd be accepted, you need far more help that you can get on line.


62 posted on 02/14/2006 10:31:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BardFan

BRAVO!


63 posted on 02/14/2006 10:34:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Smokin' Joe

I don't disagree. They also screwed us at the end of WWI.

"Rodina?" Do you mean the Russian political party? I'm not familiar with this term.


64 posted on 02/14/2006 10:35:55 PM PST by jcon40
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To: danmar

No, the author is NOT right; this is Russian propaganda; not to mention hyperbolic drivel!


65 posted on 02/14/2006 10:36:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: presidio9
Having children has become something like atavism in the West which causes too much discomfort and trouble to people's professional careers and personal development.

Russia ain't exactly overrun with new children either, Sergei.

Unlike the “highly developed Western civilization,” Asia , Africa and Latin America suffer from the overpopulation crisis.

And yet their TFR's are largely collapsing as well.

66 posted on 02/14/2006 10:37:18 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: SteveMcKing
ROTFLOL..."closed culture"? Japan?

Japan, has, for the past 70 years or more, taken bits and pieces of AMERICAN CULTURE as their own! They have jettisoned a lot of their own culture; mostly keeping the worst bits of it only.

67 posted on 02/14/2006 10:39:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: jcon40

Rodina: 'The motherland'


68 posted on 02/14/2006 10:43:12 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit
There are more trees now, in America, than there were when the Pilgrims landed.

Wood is a renewable source.

Is that you ferret, with yet another nic?

69 posted on 02/14/2006 10:43:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Smokin' Joe

"Rodina"

Got it, thanks. I had only heard the term used as one of their political parties.


70 posted on 02/14/2006 10:45:11 PM PST by jcon40
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To: presidio9

Socialism and abortion are a deadly mix for all westerners. We will be the minority one day and payback is going to be a beotch.


71 posted on 02/14/2006 10:46:13 PM PST by John Lenin (Rehab is for quitters)
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To: presidio9

"You want a good ally? Try Poland."

and SLOVAKIA :)


72 posted on 02/14/2006 10:46:23 PM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: TheBrotherhood

It will not. It will do everyone to remember who wrote the book on wholesale destruction. The islamic world is playing with fire. They forget, or, gamble that we wont pull together the will to destroy them. In WWII, with the '40s technology, we incinerated half of the European continent's cities and a good chunk of Japan. We did more damage with phosphorus than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

Now imagine what we could do today, just with with non-nuclear arsenal at our disposal. Thermobaric weapons. Napalm. Old school phosphorus. Old fashioned carpet bombing.
We can end it, Islam. And move in afterwards. That's a dark day I hope doesn't come, but everything keeps moving towards something like this... Islamists may just get their death wish.


73 posted on 02/14/2006 10:48:44 PM PST by farlander
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To: SteveMcKing

You won't be welcome in Japan they have the common sense to value their culture, unlike 'we' dummies opening the door to the third world, come one come all. If the west goes down it will bring it upon itself and will deserve everything it gets. Just look around you, if push comes to shove, do you think they will fight? will they put all the liberal/conservative crap behind them and fight? Yeah it's scary, glad I'm getting up there!











74 posted on 02/14/2006 10:53:10 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: presidio9

This is post-communist whining and not meant to be taken seriously. They lost the Cold War and still can't get over it.


75 posted on 02/14/2006 10:53:45 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Islamofascists don't need cartoons. They're already caricatures.)
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To: presidio9
Same reason that bull markets don't go on forever: as it becomes more expensive, whether financially or societally, to play the game, fewer and fewer are willing to do so.

Not a pessimist here, merely a trader. Sure, we **can** ameliorate the situation, but, sadly, only through unconstitutional practices.

When the price of liberty is the sacrifice of liberty, the only question remaining is: when will the last bit of essential liberty be taken?

76 posted on 02/14/2006 10:53:59 PM PST by SAJ
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To: AlexW; Matthew Paul

Obviously, they are much smaller, but the paradigm holds. There is nothing particularly wrong with Muslims in general, but radical fanaticism IS a growing threat. Much of western Europe has already begun the surrender to pc multiculturalism. This will be their undoing. If the Upcoming struggle is against Islamofacism, ironically, we should actually thank the Soviets, because the strongest support from this is likely to come from Eastern Eurpeans who are rediscovering Catholicism and Christianity in general.


77 posted on 02/14/2006 10:56:13 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: SAJ

You're being vague. What is the problem, and how do we solve it?


78 posted on 02/14/2006 10:57:58 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: farlander
The IslamoNazis live in their own dream world. It is doubtful if many of them even know any recent history.

For decades, they watched America do nothing to retaliate, when terrorist after terrorist attack happened. That's part of what has fueled their delusions. And they refuse to believe that we really DO have the upper hand in Afghanistan and Iraq.

79 posted on 02/14/2006 11:05:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: presidio9

"The world may celebrate the end of the Western civilization"

I don't think so skooter...it ain't over til we westerners say it's over.


80 posted on 02/14/2006 11:11:20 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Afterall, American ports run by muslims is a good thing right?)
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To: nopardons

If I must, who here remembers the movie the man who saw tommarow narrorated by Orson Wells. It showed that a person from the area of Persia with help from the Russians will start a nuclear war.
I saw that movie when I was 9 and the more I see how Iran is acting it is scary as hell. I am very worried about this country and the rest of the world. I asked that all Freepers who have not seen this movie see it.
Call me chicken little but after you view it many things really have come into play.


81 posted on 02/14/2006 11:14:50 PM PST by lndrvr1972 (N)
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To: lndrvr1972
OMG...you actually believe that a movie, made from a book written by a FABIAN SOCIALST, both many decades removed, predicted what is going to happen now?

Do you also believe that Nostradamus predicted MODERN future events as well?

Should I be afraid of the Morlocks too? :-)

82 posted on 02/14/2006 11:30:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I know it is crazy but I am very scared of what the Iranians will do. I really believe that Israel is not going to put up with any shit and they unlike us will take care of Iran. I just made a post thats it Morlocks are only an option.


83 posted on 02/14/2006 11:44:22 PM PST by lndrvr1972 (N)
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To: SteveMcKing

Japan does not accept immigrants. They preserve their national culture and identity. So, don't count on moving there.


84 posted on 02/14/2006 11:54:11 PM PST by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: lndrvr1972
You are right to be concerned, but FEARING something, because H.G. Wells wrote something sort of, kind of, maybe, but only in your mind, like something today, doesn't mean that it'll happen.

Do you know ANYTHING at all about H.G. Wells?

Besides being a damned SOCIALIST, he was also an EARLY anti-war nutjob.

Yes, I like his fiction books. Do I take them seriously? HELL NO!

If you watch Sci-Fi films ( and I'm talking about those from 1900-1984 ) not a one of them has contained anything that is remotely the same as our current world situation.

Oh, some few things ( OBJECTS ) are now in use; though not many.

Absolutely NONE of the clothes were EVER worn!

Fiction is NOT fact; nor is it intended to be taken as prophesy. Science Fiction is written FOR that time!

I hope this helps you a bit. :-)

85 posted on 02/14/2006 11:56:48 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


86 posted on 02/15/2006 12:03:32 AM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))
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To: presidio9
What wishful thinking on russia's part. They still haven't gotten over loosing Afghanistan methinks!

Look the reason europe is in trouble is because they have been on two tracks concerning their immigration "dilemma" simultaneously and they have both been abhorrently WRONG. Europe has always been - as has been its historic nature - the most racist pompous arrogant class-conscience "old" world society which have NEVER accepted or tried to assimilate its immigrant community - mostly islamic middle eastern or north africans - and at the same time their governments have done everything to appease and ingratiate the corrupt totalitarian islamofacsist middle eastern regimes ONLY for their short term financial benefits - mostly by playing up their anti-American sentiments. This is the state of europe today, but Pravda should thing twice before pretending US and europe is in the same predicament. American culture has never had that tiresome "old" world sentiments. America was made by immigrants - and of course its native American society - but as each immigrant community has joined in this great experiment, the community has not ostracized and separated them - frankly American culture has no concept of separating cultures as is the case in class-conscience old world europe - but they have mostly welcomed, accepted, assimilated, and added their contributions to the great melting pot. That is why as there have been venomous islamist demonstrations all over europe with the mohamad cartoons, and moslem youth demonstrations in France, and native British born islamists bombing subways in London, here in US there hasn't been much commotion about the cartoons - as far as I know - from the moslem community, and 9/11 was accomplished by foreigner islamists.

87 posted on 02/15/2006 12:11:37 AM PST by parisa
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To: Yardstick

I completely agree with you. - per my post 87.


88 posted on 02/15/2006 12:16:23 AM PST by parisa
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To: presidio9
The problem is straightforward. No government in the history of mankind has done anything other than to 1) attempt to stay in power, and 2) acquire more power if, as, and when possible, until such time as the corrosive effects of 2) negate government's efforts at 1). True in all cases, except when a nation has been conquered by an external enemy. If any benefit accrued to the citizenry during a government's reign, so much the better, but noble intent along these lines is not nor ever has been in a government's agenda, merely in its rhetoric.

When the Constitution was in force generally, it provided a bulwark against the more egregious abuses. Now that the judicial class (in broad) takes it as a given that the Constitution may be rewritten at whim from the bench, it's simply a matter of time -- speaking historically -- until the universal historic progression of government repeats itself in this nation.

89 posted on 02/15/2006 12:53:38 AM PST by SAJ
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To: goodnesswins
There are days when I do think I lived through the BEST of America.....and it's all downhill from here on out....BUT, I think we're in the middle of a war right now, and so my outlook is tainted.

Countries rise and decline. England entered into the 20th century as a superpower, and left it as an also ran. By the looks of things the future is in the east.

90 posted on 02/15/2006 5:51:26 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: TheBrotherhood
The problem is that many, and not a few on this very site, view Christianity as part of the problem.

Since mocking islam will provoke violent reaction, the trend will be to mock Christianity.
91 posted on 02/15/2006 5:55:13 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: lndrvr1972; nopardons
The movie was about Nostradamus. The book by H.G. Wells was "A vision of things to come", which predicted a long war between east and west, ending with mutual destruction.

I have seen the movie, and read the book some time ago. Nostradamus wrote a lot of odd and interesting things, and the book was a take off on that. Also of interest, in the late 80's there was a book that was based on Nostradamus that said the US and Russia would ally against a power in the east.

Funny thing with Nostradamus, you can put anything into his predictions you want. The man was a master charlatan.
92 posted on 02/15/2006 6:12:21 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: presidio9

It amazes me how many conervatives post from Communist News Daily PRAVDA. Why don't you take a trip to their about page.


93 posted on 02/15/2006 8:43:22 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

Thanks for your advice. I had no idea Pravda was communist propaganda. When I have been here as long as yourself, maybe I'll have a better handle on what is appropriate for this forum.

BTW, FR is NOT a conservative forum by any stretch of the imagination.


94 posted on 02/15/2006 8:54:56 AM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: nopardons

"Wood is a renewable source. "

However, it takes many years for a tree to mature into a commodity.

And I don't believe there are more trees now than when my ancestors landed in Jamestown.


95 posted on 02/15/2006 9:46:04 AM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: nopardons

I think you're confusing HG Wells with Orson Welles.


96 posted on 02/15/2006 9:51:16 AM PST by fragrant abuse
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To: parisa
America was made by immigrants - and of course its native American society - but as each immigrant community has joined in this great experiment, the community has not ostracized and separated them - frankly American culture has no concept of separating cultures as is the case in class-conscience old world europe - but they have mostly welcomed, accepted, assimilated, and added their contributions to the great melting pot.

Very nicely said.

97 posted on 02/15/2006 9:51:18 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Smokin' Joe

"As a rule, immigrants preserve their national identity, which gives them a reason to defend their rights and needs."

Except in Australia.

"CANBERRA: Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false.  If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said. Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked move to the other country."


98 posted on 02/15/2006 9:54:49 AM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: redgolum
"By the looks of things the future is in the east."

We'll see about that.....I have my doubts.

99 posted on 02/15/2006 10:21:53 AM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: jocon307

Lock and Load Bubba......


100 posted on 02/15/2006 10:23:59 AM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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