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Bill would restrict access to names of concealed carry permits (KY)
Kentucky.com ^ | Feb. 15, 2006 | BRUCE SCHREINER

Posted on 02/16/2006 4:27:18 PM PST by neverdem

Associated Press

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The public would lose access to the names of people with concealed weapons permits as part of a bill passed by the Kentucky House on Wednesday.

The measure, supported by the politically powerful National Rifle Association, would clarify that police cannot seize lawful gun owners' firearms during emergencies and disasters.

The bill cleared the House on an 89-7 vote and heads to the Senate.

Much of the debate centered on a provision that would make confidential the names of the thousands of Kentuckians who obtain concealed weapons permits. The proposal was opposed by the Kentucky Press Association during a recent committee hearing.

Currently, only the names of people with the permits are available. Their addresses and other identifying information are private.

On Wednesday, Rep. Jim Wayne said that knowing who can legally carry a concealed weapon can be a matter of public safety if a permit holder poses a threat. The Louisville Democrat said the proposal tilted too far in favor of individual rights.

"It astounds me why we continue to emphasize this over and over and over that the Bill of Rights says I can carry a concealed deadly weapon ... and everyone else be damned," he said.

The bill's supporters said it was appropriate to keep the names private.

"Pure and simply, it's none of my business if you have a carry concealed permit or not," said Rep. J.R. Gray, D-Benton.

Rep. Carolyn Belcher, D-Preston, said that other than law enforcement, "Who else has a need to know about that part of my personal life.'"'

James Bowling, a retired pipe fitter from Ashland, said he supported keeping the names of concealed-carry permit holders secret. Bowling, who was in the House gallery, said that kind of information should only be available to police.

Keeping permit holders' names public could make those people vulnerable, Bowling said.

"I think it should be private. I think policemen should know, but John Q public, no," Bowling said. "That should be private, absolutely."

Gray said that permit holders value the privilege of carrying concealed weapons and would do nothing to jeopardize it. "It's not the people who have the carry concealed permit that you have to worry about," he said.

Kentucky's had a concealed-carry law for about 10 years. There are more than 87,000 valid permit holders, said Kentucky State Police spokeswoman Maj. Lisa Rudzinski.

The bill also would clarify that an employer could not prevent an employee from taking a gun to work, as long as it stays in the employee's vehicle, said Rep. Bob Damron, D-Nicholasville, a leading supporter of the measure.

Wayne said that would weaken employers' ability to deal with dangerous employees.

The legislation is House Bill 290.

Associated Press writer Joe Biesk contributed to this report.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 02/16/2006 4:27:20 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

OK I guess...I'm sure the Islamofascist gun carriers love this too.


2 posted on 02/16/2006 4:31:08 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: neverdem

Bill would restrict access to names of concealed carry permits,....like,...credit card information....etc.,... (KY)


3 posted on 02/16/2006 4:31:37 PM PST by maestro
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To: neverdem
"Wayne said that (guns in employees' cars) would weaken employers' ability to deal with dangerous employees."

I look at it as strengthening the employees' ability to deal with dangerous employees.

4 posted on 02/16/2006 4:34:23 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: eleni121
I'm sure the Islamofascist gun carriers love this too.

Why would they?

5 posted on 02/16/2006 5:32:11 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Now let's see if they can get this through.


6 posted on 02/16/2006 5:35:53 PM PST by Spirited
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To: RonPaulLives; SLB

a Ky. Ping, Please


7 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:26 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: AaronThompson; aCDNinUSA; AFMobster; alicewonders; all_american1; Amn. Seaman; anoldafvet; ...
BLUEGRASS PING
8 posted on 02/16/2006 7:34:03 PM PST by RonPaulLives (Never trust anything ending in "u." For example, "DU," "EU," "I love you")
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To: RonPaulLives
thxs. :)
9 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:45 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: neverdem
Because sometimes the liberal Left likes to do things like this: An Indiana newspaper bought the entire list of CCW's in the state, and put the info online with a rather good search engine. Within 30 seconds, I knew every permit holder on my block.
10 posted on 02/16/2006 7:51:56 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

A TV station in Orlando did this also.

Didn't take long before the Station Manager's name, address and property data were spread across the net.

Public record is a double-edged sword.


11 posted on 02/16/2006 7:57:17 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Teacher317

Thanks for the link.


12 posted on 02/16/2006 8:03:56 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Teacher317
Within 30 seconds, I knew every permit holder on my block.

I guess you won't be robbing them anytime soon, eh?

13 posted on 02/16/2006 8:14:43 PM PST by xrp (Every time Chuck Norris sneezes, a third-world country is annihilated from the face of the Earth.)
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To: neverdem

Why would they?
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It's to their advantage that the public not know they have weapons. I would sure want to know what Muslims have them...wouldn't you? Like the ones threatening to kill Michelle Malkin.


14 posted on 02/16/2006 8:31:46 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
It's to their advantage that the public not know they have weapons. I would sure want to know what Muslims have them...wouldn't you? Like the ones threatening to kill Michelle Malkin.

Why would they need a concealed carry license to do that? They can obtain weapons legally or illegally without going through a concealed carry license backround check.

15 posted on 02/16/2006 9:14:13 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: RonPaulLives
Boy you can really tell how ignorant people have become on FR since I joined this site eight years ago.

Most of the old freedom loving and liberty minded FReepers have long ago left and have been replaced by these clueless neocons.

16 posted on 02/16/2006 9:36:25 PM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: eleni121
I would sure want to know what Muslims have them

People of evil intent, Muslim or otherwise don't seem to bother with concealed carry permits. Besides, if we are to live in a Constitutional land of liberty, no one needs to know who has arms. The hones man has a weapon and assumes the dishones man does too and acts accordingly.

17 posted on 02/17/2006 12:34:19 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: eleni121


You have entirely missed the point.


18 posted on 02/17/2006 12:41:23 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: the irate magistrate


Indeed!


19 posted on 02/17/2006 12:42:20 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: the irate magistrate


As usual, you are right on target with your comments. Sad, really.


20 posted on 02/17/2006 7:05:28 AM PST by RonPaulLives (Never trust anything ending in "u." For example, "DU," "EU," "I love you")
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To: onyx

would clarify that police cannot seize lawful gun owners' firearms during emergencies and disasters.
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You are missing my point. I demand that the police grab the guns of "lawfully" held weapons by Muslims especially during a disaster or emergency.


21 posted on 02/17/2006 9:35:55 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121


Do you really THINK Muslims would bother to get permits?

If so, then you truly ARE dense.

You have missed the entire point. Pity.


22 posted on 02/17/2006 10:05:25 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

Not as dense as you apparently but let me help. Not only do Muslims get gun permits but they equip an entire Muslim army sending all kinds of weaponry all over the world to fight our allies and our soldiers.

Florin Krasniqi - an Albanian Muslim terrorist citizen living in the US, used all the country's freedoms — above all its permissive gun laws — to outfit a guerrilla army.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2005/thebrooklynconnection/about.html


23 posted on 02/17/2006 10:27:53 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121


The MUSLIMS we all fear, do not carry concealed permits, nor do they register their weapons.

Now get a grip.


24 posted on 02/17/2006 10:29:59 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

But they do. They use our freedoms and laws to buy weapons. That is my point. We need to be aware who is buying these weapons. I'd rather not, but since background checks are so easily manipulated and PC laws do not allow us to ask for ethnicity and religion, we have no choice.

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_gunland.html


25 posted on 02/17/2006 10:35:19 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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