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War on drugs - is it really 'right'?
Newsday ^ | February 12, 2006 | Ellis Henican

Posted on 02/18/2006 6:28:37 PM PST by MRMEAN

Spending billions in taxpayer dollars with no clear progress? Inserting government agents into Americans' private lives? Holding a million men and women in prison for what are mostly nonviolent crimes?

Please, how does any of that promote the values that principled conservatives hold dear?

None of it does, of course.

But now, seemingly all of a sudden, people on the left aren't the only ones expressing doubts about America's war on (some) drugs. Some of America's most energized conservatives - activists and intellectuals on the right - are openly asking, "Isn't there a better way to deal with drug abuse than the old lock-'em-up-forever approach?"

At week's end, thousands of conservative activists gathered in Washington for the annual CPAC, the massive Conservative Police Action Conference, half pep rally and half conservative family reunion. The attendees were regaled with the usual conservative litany - warnings about illegal immigration, attacks on the liberal media, throaty calls for a muscular war on terrorism. Dick Cheney and Karl Rove revved up the crowd.

"Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America," Rove declared approvingly.

But this power group of fired-up conservatives also heard something else, a message that seemed to come as a surprise to some in the sprawling meeting room: pointed and serious questions about America's 35-year campaign to rid the nation of heroin, cocaine, marijuana and other illegal drugs.

Who'd have expected this at a CPAC meeting? Extended comments from the podium by Ethan Nadelman, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, a man who has been called the invisible hand of drug reform in America. A former Princeton University professor, Nadelman has guided the national fight for medical marijuana and been a key player in the battle to ease the draconian Rockefeller-era drug laws in New York.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: dopersthinktank; georgesoros; libertarians; mrleroy; thatsmrleroytoyou; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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To: robertpaulsen
Are you looking for perfect liberty or real-life legalization?

Bingo!

I am looking for liberty. It's the second item mentioned in my tag line.

Liberty is one of the things that I do my very best to guarantee every other citizen.

It is also part of that famous thing our federal government is supposed to guarantee us citizens -

Life , Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness

For me and 10's of millions of other good citizens the pursuit of good quality cannabis is one of our pursuits of happiness.

Will you help end the federal war against U.S. citizens who enjoy cannabis?

321 posted on 02/22/2006 6:20:16 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: Supernatural
One wonders how they are able to stumble through life

LOL!
I have no doubt they have their nasty little secrets.
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322 posted on 02/22/2006 6:22:15 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: winston2

Drug use equals freedom, more drug use equals more freedom.


323 posted on 02/22/2006 6:23:22 PM PST by Mojave
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To: winston2; mugs99; getsoutalive

If the "warriors" had their way, anyone using cannibas would be hanged, shot or electrocuted.


324 posted on 02/22/2006 6:25:51 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: robertpaulsen; getsoutalive; All
"The clinics have to deal with limited supply and current street prices that could be had by their suppliers."(getsoutalive)

Huh? The clinics can get marijuana for $2./oz., unless you're saying that winston2 is mistaken. Actually, anyone in California can get marijuana for $2./oz. according to winston2.

So, how can a clinic charge and get $480./oz.?

I think I made my point that the federal war against cannabis users is what keeps the price of marijuana so extremely high.

Now factor in that it is not as addictive as coffee and tell me why millions of citizens choose it from the wide assortment of available mind altering substances?

325 posted on 02/22/2006 6:29:33 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: winston2

"I think I made my point"

You can make your point forever with the "warriors", they will never get it. Not smart enough.


326 posted on 02/22/2006 6:38:10 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Supernatural
If the "warriors" had their way, anyone using cannabis would be hanged, shot or electrocuted.

I disagree. I feel that those who steer the war against cannabis users are parasites and parasites do not want their host to die.

327 posted on 02/22/2006 6:40:19 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: Supernatural
"I think I made my point"(winston2)

You can make your point forever with the "warriors", they will never get it. Not smart enough.

I'm not so much concerned with convincing the WOD bunch, but rather debunking the lies that they tell and presenting the truth about cannabis.

I get a few private messages from non cannabis users that express a growing support for cannabis use. It's a grass roots movement!

328 posted on 02/22/2006 6:45:46 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: winston2

Good point.

All those folks know is hyperbole, heresay and inuendo. They and the truth are complete strangers to each other.


329 posted on 02/22/2006 6:45:50 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: winston2
It's a grass roots movement!

It sure is. That Commerce Clause decision has sent people flocking to the legalization side. I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Everyone now sees their liberties in danger from this Sin War.
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330 posted on 02/22/2006 7:01:33 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Mojave
What is the markup on cigarettes?

Do you get loaded on cigarettes?

The question I responded to was about cost, not effect. Try to keep up.

331 posted on 02/22/2006 7:11:06 PM PST by getsoutalive
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To: winston2

Didn't mean to pick nits, just being fair. Your point was well made.


332 posted on 02/22/2006 7:12:28 PM PST by getsoutalive
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To: Supernatural

Always the same. Just can't help myself sometimes, keep thinking just maybe if I make the point in a different way, the proverbial lightbulb would go off in their heads. Sad really.


333 posted on 02/22/2006 7:17:48 PM PST by getsoutalive
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To: getsoutalive
The question I responded to was about cost

You were evading the subject of the profits of the pot "clinics".

334 posted on 02/22/2006 7:19:12 PM PST by Mojave
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To: MRMEAN

War's over. We lost.


335 posted on 02/22/2006 7:19:44 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: getsoutalive

I give you an "A" for effort. Not your fault that you have such poor students.


336 posted on 02/22/2006 7:29:52 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: getsoutalive
"You were evading the subject"

A professional evader calls you on evading. Business as usual.
337 posted on 02/22/2006 7:31:18 PM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Mojave
No, I said that the markup (mostly to growers who take the largest risks) on cannabis is because of the risks involved due to its illegality. Altria (Phillip Morris) doesn't have the kind of profits because there are no legal risks. Simple market dynamics. Reduce the legal risks and the profit margin will collapse. Only government can make a simple to grow plant worth its weight in gold.
338 posted on 02/22/2006 7:37:11 PM PST by getsoutalive
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To: Mojave
You were evading the subject of the profits of the pot "clinics".

Well, if we're going to talk about profits, what about the $250 billion per year laundered through Wall Street?
What about the Media Mergers financed by drug money?
What about the politicians who recieve drug money as campaign contributions to keep drugs illegal?

"California, Florida, Texas and New York are, far and away, the states where most illegal drugs enter the United States. California, Florida, Texas and New York are also the states responsible for laundering most of the $200-250 billion dollars of drug money that pass through the U.S. economy and banking system every year...Eighty per cent of all Presidential campaign contributions come from California, Florida, Texas and New York."...Catherine Austin Fitts, Managing Director of the Wall Street investment bank Dillon Read, and Assistant Secretary at HUD

The Drug Lords want drugs to stay illegal. Why is that?

Drug Money Pipeline
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339 posted on 02/22/2006 7:40:52 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: getsoutalive
Only government can make a simple to grow plant worth its weight in gold.

And they do it by arresting 700,000 otherwise innocent citizens at an expense of over 10 billion tax dollars per year. Just - DAMN! Why does our population put up with this insanity?

340 posted on 02/22/2006 7:43:02 PM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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