Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
Fair nuff,
Most of the emotions I'm arguing against are here on this sight :)
Wrong, most athiest generaly do not rally for or against religion.
"Atheists have been hell bent on destroying this nation for over sixty years."
Which atheists are those? I'm an atheist. I've been one since I was about 18. During the Vietnam war, while a lot of my good "Christian" friends were doing whatever they could to avoid military service, I dropped out of college and enlisted.
Am I one of those atheists, there, JCEccles? C'mon...tell me.
Yup. Thanks, BTW...
Brothers in arms?
You don't have to create falsehoods in order to make a point. Persecuting, deporting or executing people for their religious beliefs is no more than cold blooded premeditated murder.
If Muslims were one day the majority and proposed these things against Christians and Jews you'd have a different point of view. Killing someone before you know they are going to kill you is justifiable. Killing millions because of the acts of hundreds or thousands is barbaric genocide.
"This country made membership (you were likely to have an FBI tail for just belonging) in the mafia a crime because of their criminal actions. Why should islam be any different?"
On what planet is the mafia a religion?
Ah yes. The first thought crime ever...
You are making a weak and transparent strawman argument. Let's focus on the evil. Muslim children are NOT the evil.
You have undoubtedly driven past many mosques. We have reliable reports that the destruction of the United States and the replacement of its Constitution and system of laws with Islam and Sharia law has been preached and is being preached in mosques throughout this country. Do you not see a problem with that?
Muslim children are innocent. They are victims of radical Islam first and foremost.
The Mormons committed a number of crimes, especially once they were in Utah. They also tried to create a state church in Utah, which was clearly against the Constitution. This is what prompted US military intervention against them, and rightly so.
Wrong on all counts. Your ancestors must have been the ones spreading those lies in the 1800's and you are bearing the family standard high 160+ years later.
The only crime the Mormons committed in Missouri was being against slavery. There was no state church in Utah--it wasn't even a state or U.S territory when the Mormons first went there (to escape your relative's bigotry) so it couldn't have been a U.S "crime" even if it happened.
What prompted military "supervision" was the reports of drunken, corrupt rapist federal judges who sent back false reports to Washington because the Mormons exposed their adulterous and scandalous behavior. (Imagine be told by a federal judge who was committing adultery and had 3 or 4 skanks on the side that YOU had to go to prison for having 2 wives)
"Making Islam "illegal" is unworkable and an affront to western ideals."
If Mohammad was alive today in America he would be arrested and tried for pedophilia, rape, slavery, murder, domestic abuse, and armed robbery. Probably fraud too, for passing himself off as a prophet. A most remarkable messenger for "Allah."
The aim of Islam, as stated by the koran, is subjugation of the rest of the world, by persuasion (lying if necessary) or intimidation, violence, and death, if necessary. The latter resort to intimidation and violence is what qualifies Islam as "illegal." The methods of Islam in spreading its "Creed" are the methods of a criminal organization, not a religion. Since these violent methods are set forth in their "Charter," the koran, and that will not change, we should consider it a Ricco act organization, not a religion.
"And exactly when did the Branch Davidians call for the forcible overthrow of the government?"
It doesn't matter; when you give the government ANY power, it will be abused to some degree, generally proportionate to the amount of power. That is why conservatives oppose granting large amounts of power to the government. Giving the government the power to outlaw an entire religion is giving the government a lot of power--so, one can expect that it will be abused on a truly massive scale.
"If the laws had been enforced as intended, Waco would never have made national news."
In other words, if everything was perfect, and nobody had a speck of evil in their hearts, Waco would never have made national news.
Bad news for you: nothing is perfect and who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? (Well, besides God and The Shadow, of course.)
If we don't do something, we will have only ourselves to blame.
If anyone is at all interested in just what has been going on in Iran, and in learning Islam's full intent, may I highly recommend John Hagee's book, "Jerusalem Countdown"? It is available at less than $9.00 at your nearest Costco.
PLEASE EVERYONE READ IT.
"I wasn't aware that
there are three left.
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Yup. Murder. Theft. False Witness.
That's it. Adultery is still on the books in some states, but not enforced. It's also in the UCMJ, but enforced only on occasions where it's useful.
All the rest are not in the books of law in the USA.
So, only 30% of the 10 Commandments are reflected in our laws. They're reflected in the laws of every country, whatever the religion of that country.
Let me strengthen your well-put question:
What do you do with the religion that seeks to destroy the Constitution and its adherents?
My point is, getting the democrats on the side of exterminating islam should be a cake-walk based on the left's obsession with stare decisis. Right or wrong never has anything to do with what the left wants.
So, I take it that you support detaining American citizens you dislike?
Holding beliefs and opinion can never be treason. Treason in the USA can only be charged against those who actively wage war against us, or give tangible aid and comfort to a declared enemy.
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