Posted on 02/21/2006 9:53:32 AM PST by presidio9
Well, the answer to the question of how life began is obviously complex. Therefore, the only recourse we have is to assume that some intellignece created it by design. Obviously, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the only viable theory.
In nature, nothing occurs without a force, or forces, driving it.
We absolutely do not know what forces drove random molecules in a mud puddle towards the need to create protective shells, consume/store energy and reproduce.
There is a life "force", without doubt, that drives molecules to overcome other natural forces and achieve reproduction. What that is remains a mystery, but it will be as "natural" as any other force in nature, once it is understood.
Now, let's see...what is more likely...the above scenario or that life began by intelligent design? Or, put another way, a log cabin in the woods is more likely a result of chance and time? Or intelligent design?
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
> We absolutely do not know what forces drove random molecules in a mud puddle towards the need to create protective shells, consume/store energy and reproduce.
Nor do we know that they "needed" to. But we do know that they did, and by doing so made themselves more survivable.
> There is a life "force", without doubt,
Thank you Qui Gon, but I think a bit more information than that is needed before we can say "without doubt."
We are all claymation creation's.
I like to say that life is no more or less an accident than gravity.
No one seems to get the significance of it, but I am certain that you would.
> what is more likely...the above scenario or that life began by intelligent design?
The former, clearly, as the latter still requires that the "designer" have come about somehow. ID is not an answer, it's simply another form of turtles all the way down.
> a log cabin in the woods is more likely a result of chance and time?
Log cabins reproduce the way that some complex molecules do? Wow! Then what's all this blather about housing shortages???
You don't have enough evidence of life to constitute a force?
> You don't have enough evidence of life to constitute a force?
Is it strong, weak, eletromagnetic or gravitic?
Whatever it is, it survives under all of them.
My defininition of "force" is: a phenomenon that acts in a specific way consistently. Thus, the sun would be a force in that, to oversimplify, it is a thing that burns.
If you are going to hold us to explicitly scientifc terminology, you should indicate so before trying to flame us.
> If you are going to hold us to explicitly scientifc terminology, you should indicate so before trying to flame us.
This is a discussion of the origins of life. Consequently, science and scientific terms will be used. And since words mean things, it's best to know *what* they mean.
> How do they know these raw materials assembled themselves? Its another assumption based on faith.
It's an assumption based on reason and evidence.
A force is a "need", per se.
"...I think a bit more information than that is needed before we can say "without doubt."
Nothing exists that is not the result of forces of various sorts, acting upon it, and within it. Since it, life, exists, without doubt a force, or series of consequential forces, exist that caused it to come into existence in the first place (by overcoming all other forces which worked in opposition to life).
> Please point to the evidence that raw materials self assembled themselves into life
It's all around you. Simple chemicals combine into complex chemicals all the time. Simple life is just complex chemistry.
> Since it, life, exists, without doubt a force, or series of consequential forces, exist that caused it to come into existence in the first place
Yes. These are the forces that control chemcial reactions... electromagnetism, mostly. But a "life force" is just so much newage, unless you have some evidence of it.
Do you always condescend to people?
Now that you know what we mean by "force", would you please clear up the matter as to what more evidence you would need to prove that life is a force, i.e., a phenomenon that acts in a way consistently?
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