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About 50% of Ukrainians nostalgic for Soviet times
RIA Novosti ^ | February 27 ,2006 | Vladimir Suprun

Posted on 02/27/2006 7:44:57 AM PST by Timedrifter

About 50% of Ukrainians nostalgic for Soviet times - poll
27/02/2006 15:16
KIEV, February 27 (RIA Novosti, Vladimir Suprun) - About 50% of Ukrainians want to live back in the Soviet Union, a national pollster said Monday.

According to the survey conducted by the Razumkov center of economic and political research, 20.4% of respondents said they wanted the Soviet Union and the socialist system to be restored, and 28.3% said they wanted this as well, but believed it was impossible under the present conditions.

A total of 51.3% of respondents were against a return to Soviet times.
More than 57% of the Ukrainian respondents said Russian should be made the official or state language in certain regions, whereas 35% were against this.

According to the survey, 42.2% of respondents said relations with Russia were a priority, 12% - with former Soviet republics, 25.4% - with the European Union and only 1.5% - with the United States.

Meanwhile, only 16% said they were in favor of Ukraine's possible accession to NATO, whereas 61.4% said they did not support the idea.

The nationwide poll, based on interviews with 2,009 adults, was conducted prior to the 15th anniversary of the referendum on the preservation of the Soviet Union. The margin of error did not exceed 2%.

On March 17, 1991, more than 70% of Ukrainians voted for preserving the U.S.S.R.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belarus; kgb; premierputin; putin; russia; soviet; sovietunion; stalin; ukraine; ussr

1 posted on 02/27/2006 7:44:59 AM PST by Timedrifter
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To: Timedrifter

Yes, bring back the good old days when the Soviets murdered everyone.


2 posted on 02/27/2006 7:45:41 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Timedrifter

who paid for that research?


3 posted on 02/27/2006 7:46:48 AM PST by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: Supernatural

By 1991, they weren't murdering nearly enough of them to keep the system going. There are probably few who remember the purges, and no one who rememebers the famine.


4 posted on 02/27/2006 7:47:53 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Timedrifter
I'm curious about the age breakdown on this.

I'm guessing that a lot of this "nostalgia" is among people too young to remember what it was really like.
5 posted on 02/27/2006 7:49:12 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Timedrifter
How about polling the youth ages 18-35?

I'll bet the results would change.

6 posted on 02/27/2006 7:50:34 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: Timedrifter

Easy to say when you have lots of toilet paper...........


7 posted on 02/27/2006 7:52:17 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
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To: Timedrifter
Some peoples have a tradition of oppression and torture.

Even when freedom is handed to them on a silver platter, they prefer the "good old days" of living like dogs.

Just look at Iraq.

8 posted on 02/27/2006 7:52:54 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: soccer_maniac

The National Socialist Democratic People's Party of Amerika. Formerly known as the Democrat Party.


9 posted on 02/27/2006 7:54:06 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America is doomed to be socialist. Way too many people with palms pointed up!)
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To: Supernatural
>Yes, bring back the good old days when the Soviets murdered everyone















Flew in from Miami Beach B.O.A.C.
Didn't get to bed last night
On the way the paper bag was on my knee
Man I had a dreadful flight
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are boy
Back in the U.S.S.R. (Yeah)

Been away so long I hardly knew the place
Gee, it's good to be back home
Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
Honey disconnect the phone
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are boy
Back in the U.S.
Back in the U.S.
Back in the U.S.S.R.

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the West behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind

Aw come on!
Ho yeah!
Ho yeah!
Ho ho yeah!
Yeah yeah!

Yeah I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
You don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the U.S.S.R.

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the West behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind

Oh, show me around your snow-peaked mountains way down south
Take me to your daddy's farm
Let me hear your balalaika's ringing out
Come and keep your comrade warm
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
Hey you don't know how lucky you are boys
Back in the U.S.S.R.

Oh let me tell you, honey
Hey, I'm back!
I'm back in the U.S.S.R.
Yes, I'm free!
Yeah, back in the U.S.S.R.

10 posted on 02/27/2006 7:57:40 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Timedrifter
Those who died in the "Death Zone" of the "Berlin Wall" were unavailable for comment.
11 posted on 02/27/2006 8:01:06 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Memogate - Dan Rathers Little Big Horn.)
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To: Supernatural
Maybe they could have people drive around in black cars randomly knocking people's doors in the early morning hours. Long lines could be reintroduced at food and clothing stores, even simulating random outages of bread and meat.
12 posted on 02/27/2006 8:01:08 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Timedrifter

The proportion of people voting openly communist is 4 times greater in Ukraine than Russia. About 20% communist in Ukraine -- so the 20% nostalgic doesn't surprise me. The big number of people who say they want it but it isn't possible, bringing total over 50%, that surprises me.

Then again even the USA has a really huge number of people who want free health care and think it is a right... That could turn us far more socialist than we are today, very quickly. Entitlement mentality is a cancer.


13 posted on 02/27/2006 8:05:13 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Supernatural

This happens when intellectuals who are sympathic to communism, fail to write and talk about the reality of the past. People - as in the masses - often go with the emotions of the loudest slogans and most prevalent propaganda. Look at South America...

Our own country is filled with people who sat by cheering on Clinton as he loved up Castro. We have millions who love communism and millions more who don't know any better.
Our intellectuals and many business leaders are sympathic to communism and have failed to document and teach the reality of communism. They have also avoided teaching America's founding ideology.


14 posted on 02/27/2006 8:06:40 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: BenLurkin
" I'm guessing that a lot of this "nostalgia" is among people too young to remember what it was really like."

My family is in the Czech Republic. My experience has been that the people who are most nostalgic for the "good old days" of socialism are the older folks. Those who were old enough to remember the freedom before 1948 were generally happy to have it return. People under the age of ~35 were also usually happy about it, because they were young enough to rebuild their lives, start businesses, travel, etc. The people I found to be most resistant to the changes freedom brought were ~50-65 years old. They saw rising prices, rising rents, and loss stability at an age when they had trouble starting over.

In the Ukraine, the older folks don't have a democratic tradition from before WWII to return to, so I'd expect nostalgia to be commonplace among retirees. There is comfort in predictability, even if pickings are slim and freedoms are few.

15 posted on 02/27/2006 8:09:12 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: Galveston Grl; Mike Darancette; The Old Hoosier; All
Reading "The Gulag Archipelago" shows what the Soviets were all about. The author claims 66 million people were killed by their own government by one method or another from the time of the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 until 1970. Methods of killing included mass starvation.
16 posted on 02/27/2006 8:24:04 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Supernatural

I don't think Solzhenitsin ever gave such a high number -- although if you include the socialism-induced famines, you might get a higher number than that normally accepted.

GULAG is a great read, btw., every conservative should read it.


17 posted on 02/27/2006 8:29:44 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Supernatural

So what
About 50% American's are nostalgic for soviet time
Their name is DEMOCRAT


18 posted on 02/27/2006 8:32:59 AM PST by 1903A3
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To: The Old Hoosier

I don't think it's a great read--I do think it is a great book, however.


19 posted on 02/27/2006 8:34:45 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: Supernatural

Thanks, that is true. I did not mean to imply that nothing has been written as much as nothing has been actually taught on par with what we have taught about Nazi Germany. We need museums for Communism's victims and we need education materials and requirements.


20 posted on 02/27/2006 9:29:32 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Galveston Grl

Heck, I thought your post was right on! I was just agreeing with you and pointing out where you could find more info on the subject from someone who has lived through a commie regime.

I took no offense to your post at all. Keep up the good work.

It is nice to see that I am not the only one who understands what the commies are all about.


21 posted on 02/27/2006 9:37:16 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Timedrifter
On March 17, 1991, more than 70% of Ukrainians voted for preserving the U.S.S.R.

Just love how the Russian "RIA Novosti" threw that one in there. lol

IN THE 1991 DECEMBER NATIONAL REFERENDUM, 90% OF THE POPULATION VOTED FOR INDEPENDENCE.

Ukrainian run story: http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2006/2/22/39044.htm (in Ukrainian).
Gives breakdown among regions- 83.7% in W. Ukraine against USSR. But 51.7% in the East and 73.4% in the South for USSR.

22 posted on 02/27/2006 9:52:39 AM PST by Mazepa
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To: Timedrifter

Yeah, life was just rosy during those famines.


23 posted on 02/27/2006 9:53:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Galveston Grl; All

The Black Book of Communism

The introduction, by editor Stéphane Courtois, maintains that "...Communist regimes...turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". Using unofficial estimates he cites a death toll which totalling 94 million.

The breakdown of the number of deaths given in the Black Book is as follows: 20 million in the Soviet Union, 65 million in the People's Republic of China, 1 million in Vietnam, 2 million in North Korea, 2 million in Cambodia, 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe, 150,000 in Latin America, 1.7 million in Africa, 1.5 million in Afghanistan and 10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power"

A more detailed catalog (from the introduction) of some of the crimes described in the book includes:

Soviet Union: executions of hostages, prisoners, rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922; the famine of 1922; the deportation of the Don Cossacks in 1920; the use of the Gulag system in the period between 1918 and 1930; the Great Purge; the deportation of kulaks from 1930 to 1932; the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933; the deportations of Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Moldavans and Bessarabians from 1939 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1945; the deportation of the Volga Germans in 1941; the deportation of the Crimean Tatars on 18 May 1944; the deportation of the Chechens in 1944; the deportation of the Ingush in 1944.

Cambodia: deportation and extermination of the urban population of Cambodia.

China: the destruction of Tibetan culture.

The book, among other sources, used material from the (then) recently opened KGB files and other Soviet archives.


24 posted on 02/27/2006 10:12:06 AM PST by Supernatural (Lay me doon in the caul caul groon, whaur afore monie mair huv gaun)
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To: Timedrifter
About 50% of Ukrainians want to live back in the Soviet Union, a national pollster said Monday.

A total of 51.3% of respondents were against a return to Soviet times.

NO conflict here

25 posted on 02/28/2006 8:25:55 AM PST by Lukasz
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To: Timedrifter; Tailgunner Joe; Stellar Dendrite; lizol

An oldie but goodie

Looks like the Orange Revolution was short lived. Putin will be getting the Ukraine back this year.


Now, let's see what the putinists say.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 1:27:17 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: micha; Mrs.Nooseman; metmom; phantomworker; Neophyte; Salvation; subatomicdust; antiRepublicrat; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

27 posted on 03/05/2006 1:35:27 PM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: Timedrifter

Same in Serbia.

Older people remember communism, actualy only good things and not bad ones.
Horible is situation when we are opressed by Soros-Leftist in regime, communism didnt died, just transformed, and we miss strong conservative party. Primeminister Kostunica is conservative, but anti-Christianic liberals are getting stronger payed by Clintonians


28 posted on 03/05/2006 1:44:26 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: lizol

29 posted on 03/05/2006 2:21:06 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Eww, that just isn't right. :O)


30 posted on 03/05/2006 3:22:08 PM PST by bd476
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To: Timedrifter

bump for later reading


31 posted on 03/05/2006 5:59:26 PM PST by lawgirl (Cake is a powerful food!)
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To: Supernatural

(And Ukranians especially!)


33 posted on 03/06/2006 9:21:38 AM PST by x5452
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To: Lukasz

50 is about 51.3.


34 posted on 03/06/2006 9:22:57 AM PST by x5452
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To: 1903A3

Interesting correlation.

George Soros funded Ukraine's current president.


35 posted on 03/06/2006 9:24:48 AM PST by x5452
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To: Think free or die

It's usually folks who's pension and benefits have been cut at a time when there is no way for them to recover.


36 posted on 03/06/2006 9:26:36 AM PST by x5452
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To: bd476
"Eww, that just isn't right. :O)"

True. They forgot about Engels.
37 posted on 03/07/2006 2:05:19 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I didn't know Marx was a Longhorn! ;-P


38 posted on 03/07/2006 2:16:06 AM PST by austinTparty ((Hook 'Em Horns!))
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To: Grzegorz 246
Akkkk, lol!

39 posted on 03/07/2006 3:11:18 AM PST by bd476
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To: All

Another poll by Center "Sofia", sample 2000 people, albeit in Ukrainian: http://uv.ukranews.com/r6/rating/article.html?id=19591 , where the last question is "How would like to see Ukraine and Russia?"

16.8%- as any other foreign country, with visas, border guards, customs.
64.9%- Ukraine and Russia as independent but friendly nations, with visa-free travel.
16.1%- Russia, Ukraine one country.
2.2%- hard to tell.


40 posted on 03/07/2006 12:30:30 PM PST by Mazepa
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To: The Old Hoosier
"There are probably few who remember the purges, and no one who rememebers the famine."

Don't kid yourself. There are plenty who still do. They also remember how Stalin dynamited so many of their churches, including the church of St. Mikhail in Kiev. Mikhail is the patron saint of Kiev and Ukraine.

Russians are not the favorite flavor of the month over there.

41 posted on 03/08/2006 3:19:27 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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