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Campus Newspaper Raffles AK-47
news channel 7 ^ | February 22, 2006 | Alison Storm

Posted on 02/28/2006 8:15:57 PM PST by Flavius

Alison Storm News Channel 7 Wednesday, February 22, 2006

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His goal in life? Run the White House. Andrew Davis' goal for the week? Raise money for the newspaper he edits. "I just did a large expose on parking services." It's a conservative paper on Clemson's campus, pages known as delicious, conservative brain-food. "We make no qualms about being very biased of the right wing," he says. To help pay for printing costs, 20-year-old Andrew organized a raffle for a rifle: an AK-47. "We're hoping with this event to show people the AK-47 is no more dangerous than a knife or a car," he says.

Stashed in the basement of Clemson's library among thousands of books, on page 138 is Andrew's motivation. "The Second Amendment is one of our least appreciated that we have and probably the one that is most attacked. We hope this event will raise awareness for the Second Amendment," says Andrew. Not everyone on campus is pleased with the paper's idea. Andrew says he's heard from a faculty member and a student who plan to protest.

But he has found support from campus leaders. "The reaction from the administration has not been one to shut these people down but to let students exercise these rights," says Andrew. And that's a lesson this student hopes to take all the way to the White House. Raffle tickets go on sale February 27th through March 2nd. Organizers plan to offer them on campus near the main library from 9am until 3pm for a $5 donation. For more information you can e-mail Andrew at observr@clemson.edu


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To: beaver fever

Really? Then by all means pull down and read "Theory of Wing Sections", ISBN: 0486605868 by I. H. Abbott.

I'm sure that for you it's more interesting than actually learning something about the Bill of Rights.


51 posted on 02/28/2006 11:02:14 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The Bill of Rights takes a week to discuss and debate in high school. In university you might spend one semester on the topic in a History class.

US Universities are falling producing students with advanced science, engineering and mathematical skills at the post graduate level. Winning a raffle for an AK 47 will not get you into graduate school. Your target scores at the local gun club are not going to help you either.

I mentioned the Theory of Wing Sections", ISBN: 0486605868 by I. H. Abbott rhetorically.

I could have mentioned 100 examples of reference books that are more useful to a college student than and AK47 copy.


52 posted on 02/28/2006 11:12:34 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: VeniVidiVici

Assualt rifles aren't dangerous because they can't be concealed. Most gun crimes are from handguns because everyones going to see the guy with the assualt rifle coming.

Oh and when a commie revolution starts its going to start on a campus with rich white kids wearing 200 dollar pants made by poor chinese children. Might as well have the gun near the battle.


53 posted on 02/28/2006 11:15:26 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: beaver fever

I guess that is why (as an undergrad) I cut amethyst inlays for the Security chief's S&W --in the '70's. Universities used to have shooting teams, as did high schools.


54 posted on 02/28/2006 11:15:48 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: RHINO369

"Oh and when a commie revolution starts its going to start on a campus with rich white kids wearing 200 dollar pants made by poor chinese children. Might as well have the gun near the battle."

You are suffering from a fever. Drink lots of liquids take an aspirin and call your doctor in the morning.


55 posted on 02/28/2006 11:18:17 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Smokin' Joe

BTW in 1994 (the year i found data) assualt rifles where only used in 1% of murders.


56 posted on 02/28/2006 11:18:50 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: Smokin' Joe

So did you put that on your CV for graduate school?


57 posted on 02/28/2006 11:21:14 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
"So did you put that on your CV for graduate school?"

Ahh that explains it. Canadian?

58 posted on 02/28/2006 11:23:53 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: beaver fever

Only girly men are scared of integrals.

Of course, girly men are scared of guns, too. :P


59 posted on 02/28/2006 11:28:46 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: RHINO369
Heck, I like semi-auto, I like large magazines, and I like a firearm with more authority than a .22.

I had a couple of professors who were making flintlocks using no power tools, cutting their own screws, etc. The rifles were things of beauty. From that I gained an interest in metalwork, machining, and an enhanced interest in firearms.

If just one student decides to become an engineer over the appreciation of the simple beauty of a reliable rifle, even one of theirs, it is educational.

Some folks seem to think that mere posession of such an arm makes one into some sort of homicidal maniac. Hoplophobia is alive and well.

60 posted on 02/28/2006 11:28:59 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: beaver fever

Didn't need to. The 720 rawscore on my GRE brought the school to me.


61 posted on 02/28/2006 11:30:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: beaver fever

All of those are great ideas, but the AK-47 is both beautiful as well as useful.

It's the clear winner!


62 posted on 02/28/2006 11:30:26 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: beaver fever

So what socialist country do you live in? Canada?


63 posted on 02/28/2006 11:34:08 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: Trinity5
" Ahh that explains it. Canadian?"

Just what does being Canadian explain to you?

Could it be that Canadian, Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, German, French, Australian, and Indian students are too busy studying for future careers in science, engineering and business to bother with on campus gun shows while American students are falling behind?

America is producing a generation of under grad seat warmers and party animals who will never go on to grad school.

Except for a handful of elite Universities in the US higher education is falling behind. Look at any university in the US and the graduate students are 80% foreigners.

Where's the next Feynman coming from?
64 posted on 02/28/2006 11:34:14 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Constantine XIII

OK how about Linear Algebra. Scared the crap out of me and I'm no sissy.


65 posted on 02/28/2006 11:36:27 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: Trinity5
Ahh that explains it. Canadian?

Ah. You're good. I had him nailed via his syntax. You caught the CV though. Good job!

They just don't understand the 2d Amendment. To them it's something to be bargained away in exchange for peace and harmony.

66 posted on 02/28/2006 11:37:29 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: beaver fever

"There is no place on a U campus for weapons automatic or otherwise."

The weapon is NOT an AUTOMATIC.


67 posted on 02/28/2006 11:40:46 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: Smokin' Joe
I am so proud of you!!!!

I still think the gun raffle is hillbilly agit prop and has no place at a University where serious work is a twelve hour a day job.

Same goes for frosh week. When I went to school I didn't show up for class until all that Frat Bulls**t was finished.

My Frat letters were Phi Beta FU.
68 posted on 02/28/2006 11:42:20 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: VeniVidiVici

Are you oral or anal? Please let me know, I hate surprises.


69 posted on 02/28/2006 11:43:35 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

"They could auction off.......the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy...." --- "How does and AK/AK copy ad to your education?"

One hell of a lot more than an Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy!


70 posted on 02/28/2006 11:46:07 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: beaver fever

Sorry. I don't kiss and tell on the first date.

I helped teach some Brit students how to shoot. It was funny how they jumped in a girlish way when the gun went off.

Are you the same way?


71 posted on 02/28/2006 11:46:47 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: beaver fever
It adds to the value of an education by familiarizing college students with both the art of the rifle and the preferred weapon of Americas enemies.

Besides I'll bet this auction raises a lot more cash than the collected works of Bertrand Russell would bring.

L

72 posted on 02/28/2006 11:50:04 PM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: beaver fever

Got an A in Linear Algebra II, and I took it over the summer.

But I'm a physics nerd. ;)


73 posted on 02/28/2006 11:53:19 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: beaver fever
"Why not raffle a case of Wild Turkey on Campus?..."How about a $1000 gift certificat[e] to Victoria Secret."..."That should raise academic standards."

What would raise academic standards would be an education in the Constitution and the attached Amendments, which is what the paper is trying to do. Are you sure you're on the right website? If you don't believe that we still have these rights and are willing to fight for them then you had better sign out and move along like a good little lib.
74 posted on 02/28/2006 11:55:13 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: beaver fever
I got in a fair amount of play time too, but the partying was usually outside a cave entrance or after we got back.

Most of the time, our lab lights were on long into the night. The inlays helped us get the clearance to get building and lab access 24/7, unlike most other departments. Ten of us were undergrad assistants and had keys to the building and most of the labs and classrooms (not offices or most professors' research labs, unless you were directly involved in that research). It helped us all in the long run.

It all tied in with the major (Geology), you could drink the occasional beer and knock about on the rocks, too. Moderation was the key, educate more brain cells than you kill...

I knew a guy in on a golf scholarship (4-year ticket) who managed to drink his way out in a record two semesters. Unreal.

75 posted on 02/28/2006 11:55:40 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: VeniVidiVici; Trinity5
You two are really clever.

You should work for the CIA. I hear Maxwell Smart is hiring.

You get a free badge and shoe phone and get to fight Smersch.

If you're really lucky you get to see Barbara Feldman in her underwear.

BTW re syntax, I assume that you mean English syntax. You know, the same syntax you use.

So is there a secret code that makes Canadian syntax different from 'Merican syntax. Do we put the verbs at the end of a sentence like the Germans?

I think you mean idiom but you knew that.
76 posted on 02/28/2006 11:59:10 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: VeniVidiVici

I have never fired a gun but if you want me to be your special friend I'm open to offers.

You seem to have a thing about masculinity do you have doubts?

I've been a man for 54 years, if you need some tips let me know.


77 posted on 03/01/2006 12:02:47 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

I have yet to hear you say if we were correct. Shall I encourage you by playing L'Internationale?


78 posted on 03/01/2006 12:03:51 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: beaver fever

Hey Beaver....you do realize that everything you say on FR from this point on will be taken with a grain of salt don't you? Get outa here, you're finished!

I mm bookmarking this thread for future use to discredit you with your own words.


79 posted on 03/01/2006 12:04:29 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

College is like a terrible boring job where liberals try to brainwash you. Not every thing you do while attending college needs to be educational. In fact most people here and U of Illinios try to do the exact opposite? Currently I'm slacking off doing my electrical engineering hw. Damn you analoge signals


80 posted on 03/01/2006 12:08:30 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: Lurker
"collected works of Bertrand Russell"

That was a joke, a lure for the less informed. The Collected Works of Bertrand Russell wouldn't draw flies to a picnic.

Man, some of the people on this thread aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. In all fairness, yourself excluded.

Cheers and the Utmost Respect to You Lurker

Regards

The Beaver.
81 posted on 03/01/2006 12:09:03 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Are you kidding? What a newbie you are!
82 posted on 03/01/2006 12:14:19 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: RHINO369

I know, I've been there and after classes I went immediately to the skeet range.

"Damn you analoge signals" Huh?


83 posted on 03/01/2006 12:14:34 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: beaver fever
Are you kidding? What a newbie you are!
84 posted on 03/01/2006 12:14:53 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: beaver fever
Thanks my friend. If you ever get down this way I'd be happy to take you to the range and let you push a few down the tube.

It really is great fun and there's nothing like it for working off some stress.

Personally I think this is a neat idea this kid came up with. It harms noone. It'll raise a nice pile of cash for him. I intend to purchase a few of his tickets myself. Believe it or not my collection lacks an AK variant of any kind.

I look at it this way. While his little gun raffle may not directly contribute to his education, the money he raises certainly will. Either that or it will keep him in cheap beer for half a semester at least.

Cheers right back at you.

L

85 posted on 03/01/2006 12:16:15 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: panaxanax
"Hey Beaver....you do realize that everything you say on FR from this point on will be taken with a grain of salt don't you? Get outa here, you're finished!

I mm book marking this thread for future use to discredit you with your own words."

I've got a clean sheet here and quite a few friends. I've only got one warning from Jim Rob about bad language.

So fire away. You will die of a heart attack reading my replies before I'm zotted.

I love this place and no poser like you is going to kick me out. Dukes up dude. I'm waitin'

BTW do you have any higher ambitions in life? I mean your life not mine.
86 posted on 03/01/2006 12:16:58 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: Dec31,1999

I've been here for two years and I have the scars to prove it.

So Dec31,1999 when do I get my wings?


87 posted on 03/01/2006 12:21:03 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

"BTW do you have any higher ambitions in life?"

Yes I do and one is to rid the world of liberal panty-waste little gun-fearing pu$$ies like you.


88 posted on 03/01/2006 12:22:52 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: beaver fever

"....when do I get my wings?"

Sounds like you already have them since I don't think your feet ever touch the ground.

Does your mommy know you're up so late?


89 posted on 03/01/2006 12:29:27 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: Lurker
Just so you know my much respected Lurker I an not anti gun.

I just think this raffle is just bad agit prop. It's political in a not very interesting way.

I grew up in army camps.

I read all my dad's training manuals and learned how to prime a grenade (on paper at least) when I was eight years old.

I also got to handle a Browning side loader sub one day when I came home from lunch and my dad left it on the couch.

I just never had the opportunity to fire a gun. Never gave it much thought. I have no problem with guns but the ISSUE of guns does not interest me in any way. Having said that the gun registry in Canada will be dismantled and I am all in favor of that for the simple reason that native hunters have to travel 300 to 1000 miles to register guns they have been hunting with for years.

Again nice to hear from you Lurker.
90 posted on 03/01/2006 12:33:01 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: ccmay

"Bulls**t. I had several guns in my dorm at Dartmouth, and shot them in the deep woods behind."

I used to keep a 20 gauge shotgun in my dorm room. Would go squirrel or rabbit hunting every week there wasn't a football or basketball game. Nobody ever felt "scared" and it was clearly stuck in a closet. Room inspections never made a fuss over it either.


91 posted on 03/01/2006 12:34:03 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: panaxanax

No my mommy is dead and she was twice the man that you are.

Let me know when you get tired of being Bi***slapped


92 posted on 03/01/2006 12:40:28 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Well the young man is a college student after all. So I figure badly thought out agit-prop is kind of his bailiwick. At least he isn't hosting a 'Death To Israel' rally or inviting Ward Churchill to speak at Clemson.

Besides, If I pick up ten or so tickets I just might end up with a new AK and that would be a good thing. I guess that makes it interesting to me.

Now if he were auctioning off the collected works of Marx and Engels he would most likely be the toast of every Poli-Sci professor on the campus and be lauded as a true progressive thinker.

If nothing else the kids got balls and that's a quality always to be admired in my book.

Oh well, back to stuffing envelopes. We're hosting a Severe Weather Spotters Workshop in two weeks and we need to get the confirmations in the mail in the next day or so.

Since this shift is usually the most quiet (crap now something will catch on fire for sure) guess who drew the duty to stuff 275 envelopes. That's right...yours truly.

Ahh the exciting world of professional emergency management. Never a dull moment.

Take care.

L

93 posted on 03/01/2006 12:42:23 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker
It really is great fun and there's nothing like it for working off some stress.

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

~Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis"

94 posted on 03/01/2006 12:45:15 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Lurker

"We're hosting a Severe Weather Spotters Workshop"

You've got my ears up. What's with that. Details please and don'tbe a tease.


95 posted on 03/01/2006 12:47:29 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Sounds like you're having a Midol moment. Sorry to hear about your Mom. A bitch slap from a sissy-boob like you (that's never even 'fired a gun') would feel like a light breeze against my cheek. Try your fist, if you know how to make one.

See a doctor asap about that "Beaver Fever". They have wonderful cures out now for those kinds of problems.

Good night.


96 posted on 03/01/2006 12:59:07 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

OK so you want to go verbal mano e mano? You're shooting 0 for 3 so far. If wit were a sabre you would be a butter knife.

As far as trying my fist, I worked my way through University as a bouncer and I followed a very simple rule; your first three punches are free, the rest you have to pay for.

Good night to you and if you get a woody while you're asleep don't be afraid. I'm sure it will go away when you wake up.


97 posted on 03/01/2006 1:09:18 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
I work for my countys Dept Of Emergency Management in Illinois. We're kind of the hub for the State when it comes to training volunteers for things like CERT teams, ESDA, and Weather Spotters among other things.

So, we've got three workshops next week. One is an Advanced Weather Spotters course. It teaches people the skills needed to identify probable tornadoes and severe thunderstorms and gives them the protocols for getting the information to the County Emergency Operating Center so we can warn the population. This one is being taught by some folks from the National Weather Service.

The other classes are Tornado Shelter Workshop which will teach folks how to identify good locations for severe weather shelters and how to create hardened shelters in their homes and places of business. It's being taught by a Professor Emeritus of Architechture so it should be pretty good.

The last class is a Severe Weather Communications Workshop and it kind of dovetails with the Spotters class. It teaches HAMS how to get hooked up with the Spotter HAM comm network and what the protocols are for reporting severe weather events via the HAM nets in the area. Since I'm a 'professional emergency worker' (read glorified radio operator) I already am considered qualified for this so I won't be going.

The classes will be held over two days at Wheaton College in Wheaton IL. Lunch will be provided. (LOL)

I don't know if Canada has anything like this program but if you do I'd commend it to you. It's pretty interesting and the skills you learn could save some lives.

Here's a link to the website for more info. Interestingly enough there's also a link to Storm Chase Canada that might tickle your fancy.

One of my coworkers who finds mere mortal danger boring likes to chase storms. Personally I'm taking these classes so when I see something bad I can go the other way. I think she's nuts for wanting to head towards a monster storm, but to each their own. But for someone who likes to be referred to as a 'bad weather goddess' I guess it's to be expected.

It's too bad I didn't tell you earlier. You could have popped on down to the Chicago area and taken the classes. It would have been nice to blow the froth off a couple with you.

L

98 posted on 03/01/2006 1:09:59 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

Thanks for the link Lurker that is waaaaaaaaaay cool.


99 posted on 03/01/2006 1:11:51 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Just remember my friend. The biggest danger to the Weather Spotter is lightning. I don't want to hear about you getting fried by a bolt from above nor getting smacked on the noggin by golf ball sized hail.

Glad you liked the link.

Back to the envelopes!

L

100 posted on 03/01/2006 1:27:36 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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