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Yes...Competition works...even for humans...even in schools
Townhall ^ | March 1, 2006 | John Stossel

Posted on 03/01/2006 6:46:26 AM PST by dson7_ck1249

One exciting thing about the free market is that you can't predict what the market will create. Big-government advocates tell you exactly what will happen when their plans work (as if they actually would work!), but we who trust the free market can only say that people will compete and good ideas will win.

We do know that competition works. It works because it gives people the chance to be creative...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: big; bureaucracy; bureaucrat; charter; choice; competition; court; creative; creativity; education; educational; educator; expert; family; florida; free; government; market; parent; public; reform; school; stossel; student; teach; teacher; voucher
I love that Stossel keeps coming with his right-on-target crticisms of our nation's dismal public education system. I think that as a conservative, this is one of the issues that horrifies me the most in terms of this administration's actions and policies...
1 posted on 03/01/2006 6:46:33 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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To: dson7_ck1249

The one signal act which would defang American-style socialism would be a boycott of the public schools. As presently constituted, they are the very engine of 21st Century totalitarianism.

Shut them down!


2 posted on 03/01/2006 6:51:05 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: dson7_ck1249

Dear Editor,

By all accounts and from every view, the Philadelphia school system is beyond broken. If the school system was a business, it would have gone bankrupt, had its assets sold off and been forgotten long ago. If it was an army, it would have surrendered and would still be interned in POW camps. If it was a car, not only would nothing happen when you put the key in the ignition, it would also periodically leak oil, gasoline and catch on fire for no apparent reason. If a devoted group of maniacal public servants 40 years ago had decided that they would wreck the Philadelphia public schools and, everyday without rest until today, had put all their energies into that one purpose, they could have hardly done better than the mess we have today.

One of the principal reasons we have this mess is that we allowed public schooling to become a very profitable monopoly enforced by the police power of the state. The worse the public schools do in educating our children the more money it attracts. There are no penalties for poor performance and no benefits for excellent performance. Those in power reap huge monetary benefits from those in the employment of the public schools and thus are unwilling to even tinker with it. It is a one hell of a system.

There are 176 out of 264 schools on the failing list in Philadelphia when spending per pupil is over $7500 per year. Nearly 63% of black fourth-graders are unable to read proficiently. They are doomed to a life of low wages and low expectations. Yet the NAACP, the teacher's union and the mayor's office see nothing wrong with the status quo. As a comparison, Catholic school spending per pupil is $3500 per year with much better results.

It is time to get government completely out of public education. They should have not one string or tentacle left to grow on the public school system. Parents know what is best for their children and would have left this madness long ago if they had the choice. Parents would not tolerate failure and would seek excellence in their children's school if they had the choice. Parents would not put up with waste, incompetence and fraud in their children's education if they had the choice. If they only had the choice...


Regards,

2banana


3 posted on 03/01/2006 6:51:53 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: dson7_ck1249

John Stossel: The last honest journalist in the MSM.


4 posted on 03/01/2006 6:52:33 AM PST by fzx12345 (Three lefts don't make a right; they invent one.)
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To: dson7_ck1249

I really like Stossel as well. And like you, there are a number of things I really disagree with re: the current administration and republican congress (though, I'll probably keep voting for the bastards, given the lack of any decent alternative).


5 posted on 03/01/2006 6:56:41 AM PST by Tulane
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To: fzx12345
John Stossel: The last honest journalist in the MSM.

And they hate him for it.

6 posted on 03/01/2006 6:57:15 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: dson7_ck1249
This is an excellent article. Why would the government school care a darn about what I want or how my kid is taught when they get my money with or without my kid?
7 posted on 03/01/2006 6:59:04 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: dson7_ck1249
VOUCHERS!

And support Stossel's show.

8 posted on 03/01/2006 7:02:24 AM PST by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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To: dson7_ck1249; Flora McDonald; iceskater; Nick The Freeper; Corin Stormhands; Gabz; MoJo2001; ...
Dramatically-expanded utilization of Education Vouchers at the State and Local levels will do more for Urban Renewal on a national basis than any amount of $Billions spent by HUD.

Good for Stossel.

9 posted on 03/01/2006 7:07:20 AM PST by relent_less (Strategy for Iraq: Win the War...Win the Peace!)
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To: dson7_ck1249
Competition makes everything better.

Not necessarily.

A voucher system presupposes that the parents and students using those vouchers will be interested in education.

What if the students using vouchers for good schools have no interest in education, but only want to "hang out"?

Vouchers can get a child into a school, but what he does there is up to him.

It's very possible that a disruptive child transferred to a school using the voucher system will be just as disruptive in his new school.

I agree that the public school system is miserable, but to think that handing someone a voucher will solve the problem denies the fact that ultimately students must pay attention to their teachers and do their homework. Otherwise it's just another Utopian idea.

"Competition makes everything better" only if everyone plays by the same rules.

10 posted on 03/01/2006 7:09:58 AM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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To: Noachian

Oliver Wendell Holmes once said that "hard cases make bad laws."

Essentially...I agree that there will probably be students/parents who make BAD choices or who simply don't care about the choice at all. But to make the entire public education system based on that notion (not that it's that way now) is just bad policy. Because then the parents who actually DO care are trapped in a faulty system and forced to stay (as recent court decisions show).

Generally speaking (which is what I think Stossel is doing..and what I'm doing), competition and the free market is better than forced participation.

I agree with you...simply handing someone a voucher won't make them care about education, or what school they go to...but then again, that's not who I want to change the education system for.


11 posted on 03/01/2006 7:33:36 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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Although the presence of government money concerns me -- government money eventually brings government control -- I am entirely for whatever will rescue children, especially poor kids, from failing public schools.


12 posted on 03/01/2006 7:45:29 AM PST by TBP
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To: Noachian
This is about letting the kid go to whatever school they want only on the surface...What voucher/competition is really about is having the schools compete for my money (and it is my money. I have the property tax bills to prove it). To argue that it won't make bad students good is disingenuous...nothing will do that.

What competition will do is make bad schools good OR they will go out of busniness--that I am for.
13 posted on 03/01/2006 9:11:11 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Noachian
What if the students using vouchers for good schools have no interest in education, but only want to "hang out"?

Then that school boots them, upholding its 'good' status. Schools that tolerate the lazy will have a lesser status, lower grade averages, unhappier teachers, and would naturally cater to that social segment. By their own choice.

14 posted on 03/03/2006 9:30:49 AM PST by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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