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Drive 55, Try to Stay Alive (students film the results of going the speed limit)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 3-3-2006 | Ariel Hart

Posted on 03/02/2006 7:29:00 PM PST by Turbopilot

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To: barkeep

The politicians prolly told him if the Highway Patrol kept that stuff up he'd make clear that the beltway boys were doing exactly what Rand says implementing the double-nickel in the first place. Can't have that, not with control at stake.


161 posted on 03/03/2006 10:01:50 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: jmc813

"Which section of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to set speed limits?"

The same section that allowed the feds to build highways and impose gas taxes for their construction and maintenance, I'm sure.


162 posted on 03/03/2006 10:05:58 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Turbopilot
Even better would be a law requiring you to keep right except to pass, but I don't think anyplace in the U.S. has such a law on multilane roads.

I don't know about any other states, but Maine has such a law as does Illinois.

163 posted on 03/03/2006 10:13:46 PM PST by flada (Posting in a manner reminiscent of Jen-gis Kahn.)
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To: austinTparty

"If you *still* don't change your mind, then you must believe that logic, reason and Western Civilization are for dopes."

I don't think that will be compelling argument to many folks on FR, who think that logic and reason are what politicians do every day, i.e., state talking points, insult the other party, impugn the motives of the other party, bring up irrelevant conflicts of the other party, repeat talking points, etc. This is the political dialogue that currently exists, and what many have subsequently confused with logical argument, since they've heard that it is 'argument' between the two parties. I sometimes wish that just one candidate would explain basic logic to his crowd before speaking. Just seeing a single one say that because we know A->B does not mean B->A or -A->-B, and give an example, would warm my heart.


164 posted on 03/03/2006 10:15:15 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Turbopilot
Even better would be a law requiring you to keep right except to pass, but I don't think anyplace in the U.S. has such a law on multilane roads.

Try Illinois (no vehicles are suppose to be in the left lane except to pass.)
165 posted on 03/03/2006 10:25:35 PM PST by stlnative
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To: Republican Wildcat

IL actually has made it a law that the left lane is the passing lane. I think it just went into effect Jan 1.


166 posted on 03/03/2006 10:29:05 PM PST by technochick99 (Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: pankot
Just one more clever attempt to destroy America by impeding commerce by the tree-huggers.

??????? What?

167 posted on 03/03/2006 10:48:33 PM PST by It's me
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To: Turbopilot
I had a similar experience.

Last fall I fell from my treestand while deerhunting and hung upside down for 9 days. Odin arrived and told me that the rate should be 12 spear throws per mug of mead.

Ive spent the last several months testing to come up with a MPH rating.

If my car can be pulled out of the ravine again to finish testing or if this hangover ever clears up to try to decipher my notes then Ill get back to you...

168 posted on 03/03/2006 11:38:55 PM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Bull!

There should be NO set speed limit at all, which used to be true in some states before the Fed. blackmailed the free states into compliance with their demands.

Basic Speed Law, do not drive faster than the conditions will safely allow.
Crowded road = slow down.
Bad weather = slow down.
Crap car = slow down.
Open road, good weather, good car = GO FOR IT!

The lower limits are for revenue, nothing more.

If speed really killed airlines would only do 55 MPH, not 550 MPH!


169 posted on 03/04/2006 12:11:37 AM PST by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: SteveMcKing
60 should be the national speed limit.

There should be no national speed limit.

All we need is some bunch of slick politicians or bureaucrats 2000 miles from here telling us how fast we can or cannot drive in rural North Dakota. NO thank you.

Besides, in Wyoming, the death rate went UP when the 55 mph limit was passed. People accustomed to making a 600 mile trip in 8 hours were taking over 12 at the new limit, and falling asleep at the wheel.

170 posted on 03/04/2006 12:24:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: DB
It also seems to me that the law requiring slower traffic to the right was being violated

That's been explained ad nauseum in Texas: That does not apply to vehicles already doing the maximum speed allowable by law. You cannot ever get a ticket for impeding traffic if you're doing the maximum legal speed.

171 posted on 03/04/2006 12:31:27 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: It's me

Simple: point out how bad it is to go faster than 55 mph--(oh the carnage)--force all the speed limits to 55 or less. This will slow down truckers, cut their pay, and slow down truck carriers who move a very large share of food, fuel, mail, etc.
Ask any trucker. Slow down here, slow down there. Soon Atlas will Shrug.


172 posted on 03/04/2006 3:54:10 PM PST by pankot
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To: Turbopilot
That stupid stunt would have gotten the participants citations from the California Highway Patrol for two things:

1. Deliberately creating a situation where more than five cars are closely following you--a major no-no!

2. Side-by-side driving is a MAJOR no-no in California, even more so than tailgating!

173 posted on 03/04/2006 8:21:14 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: higgmeister
Your given assumptions are flawed. You wouldn't need to slow down again after you passed a slower moving car.

The only way to get back into the right hand lane would be to reduce speed to match the traffic in that lane. And if most of the people are in the right hand lane it will have to be moving pretty slowly. The way to get maximal throughput is to have traffic roughly balanced between the two lanes.

174 posted on 03/04/2006 8:29:26 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
The only way to get back into the right hand lane would be to reduce speed to match the traffic in that lane. And if most of the people are in the right hand lane it will have to be moving pretty slowly. The way to get maximal throughput is to have traffic roughly balanced between the two lanes.

The car in the right lane in front of you is traveling
at forty-five MPH. There is no one in front of him
because he has been traveling at that rate of speed
since Toledo.   You see a break in the left lane
and pull around him.   You then get by him, pull
back in front of him, and accelerate to sixty MPH.
If the slow car had been keeping up with the flow-
of-traffic there would have been no reason to go
around him.   That's how it works on I-285 - drive
fast and stay alive.

175 posted on 03/04/2006 9:20:12 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
"According to the article, they were going to the maximum speed allowed by law in all lanes."

What everyone seems to forget is that the Speed Limit is the upper limit. BY LAW anyone on the highway is bound to an upper and lower limit: usually 40-55 mph. Had these drivers been driving the lower limit of 40 mph (or 45, whatever) and driving as a cordon down the highway, then they would be impeding traffic flow.

The speed limit is set to account for everything, including emergency situations. The hypothetical driver with a wounded child is an exception, not the rule. The highways are not full of wounded passengers. In fact, most are drivers without passengers, often in non-fuel efficient vehicles. Why is it that law and order social conservatives bristle when asked to simply obey a law? It really is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
176 posted on 03/05/2006 10:47:58 AM PST by George Snuffleupagus
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To: George Snuffleupagus
Why is it that law and order social conservatives bristle when asked to simply obey a law?

Because the law in question is effectively a tax. Motorists either have to pay a time tax in the form of time wasted on the roads, or else a monetary tax if they get caught trying to avoid the former.

Further, depending upon the assumptions one makes regarding reaction times, braking effectiveness, and stopping scenarios, there are some traffic conditions where lower speed limits can increase the likelihood of accidents by causing vehicles to be spaced closer together than they would be at higher speeds.

177 posted on 03/05/2006 11:30:55 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: George Snuffleupagus
The speed limit is set to account for everything, including emergency situations.

BTW, posted speed limits are generally safe to drive under mildly-unfavorable conditions. In most places, under favorable conditions, a competant driver could safely travel much faster. While it is certainly useful to have signage advising drivers of the relative safe speeds of various roads, there is no reason why a road which can be safely travelled at 55mph during moderate rainfall could not be safely travelled on a clear day at a faster speed.

178 posted on 03/05/2006 11:40:14 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Turbopilot

I drive the speed limit. And I rarely find myself caught in a pressure wave. No traffic to the front, left, or rear. I'm safe as houses and, to date, have never been in an accident. I'll continue to drive the speed limit :)


179 posted on 03/05/2006 11:42:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SteveMcKing

You've got to be kidding. In far West Texas it's 75, and it could easily be 80, which everyone drives anyway. The biggest danger on West Texas highways is falling asleep, and at least at 80 one isn't on the road as long.


180 posted on 03/05/2006 11:51:02 AM PST by kittymyrib
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