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Hollywood Crashes and Yearns (Blaming "society" for all that is wrong with America...)
The American Prowler ^ | 3/7/2006 | James Bowman

Posted on 03/06/2006 11:46:45 PM PST by nickcarraway

Did Hollywood wimp out by not giving the Best Picture Oscar to Brokeback Mountain? Were the electors of the Motion Picture Academy quaking in their Gucci loafers at the thought that red-state America would rise up in fury at the insult to traditional American popular culture represented by a couple of gay cowboys -- or, more accurately, sheep-boys? "Despite all the magazine covers it graced, despite all the red-state theaters it made good money in, despite (or maybe because of) all the jokes late-night talk show hosts made about it, you could not take the pulse of the industry without realizing that Brokeback Mountain made a number of people distinctly uncomfortable," wrote Kenneth Turan of the Los Angeles Times. "So for people who were discomfited," he went on, misusing the word, "by Brokeback Mountain but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, Crash provided the perfect safe harbor." Tom Shales of the Washington Post also questioned whether the award to Crash "was really for the film's merit or just a cop-out by the Motion Picture Academy so it wouldn't have to give the prize to Brokeback Mountain."

This sounds improbable to me. Not that I have any very high opinion of the movie industry's courage and daring in tackling the hard subjects or rewarding those who court controversy. But the controversy about Brokeback was mostly hype. The blue state liberals who make up most of the movie audience, certainly for films like this one, take it for granted that homosexuality is a perfectly valid "lifestyle," while the red-state types who think that gays ought to be in jail don't go to the movies anyway, or not unless Jesus is putting in an appearance. Anyway, the various controversies stirred up by gay rights advocates -- the demand for same-sex marriage, for example -- are hardly touched on by the film. In fact the gay theme is really incidental to the more mainstream (and pernicious) message about following your bliss, especially when it comes to sex, regardless of the damage to spouses and children.

Of course it's true that this is a theme which Hollywood finds entirely congenial and to which it often returns, though perhaps not quite so often these days as in the boom years for "convention"-bashing of the 1970s and 1980s. In fact, the taking up of an ostensibly gay subject matter could be seen as the film-makers' way of attempting to revitalize the otherwise moribund spirit of sexually "liberationist" triumphalism. If, once the novelty of the film had worn off and the self-congratulations of the tolerant and open-minded progressive film community had been reverberating for a couple of months, people began to think: "Been there, done that," who could be surprised? Yeah, yeah, people ought to be free to love as their glands dictate. Where, even in the movie, are the conservative moralists saying otherwise? You've got your gays and you've got your gay bashers, but in between there is only dumb suffering.

In other words, the villains in Brokeback remain faceless and voiceless. In one way the picture benefits from keeping their shadowy threat almost entirely off-stage for, once made visible and articulate, it would have been sure to have turned into a caricature. Instead, director Ang Lee and writers Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana -- all of whom did win Oscars -- almost managed to create the impression that the villain was once again "society," just as it was in the good old days when bourgeois respectability and puritanical sexual morality were still powerful enough to make it worth Hollywood's while to attack them. His heroes, Ang Lee was quoted as saying, "taught all of us not just about gay men and women whose love is denied by society, but most importantly the greatness of love itself." Ah, society. I remember that. I was very young, of course, but I can just about imagine what, back in the days of The Sound of Music, "society" (or what was left of it by then) would have had to say about a best song titled "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp." Not nearly hard enough, apparently.

Anyway, "society" in that sense is obviously long gone. Just like Good Night, and Good Luck, another losing nominee last night, Brokeback groped back more than forty years into the past to find a plausible bad guy who, as some of us dimly recall, wielded genuine power. Not, that is, just the accidental power of the gay-bashers or other criminals who catch their victim alone and unprovided with the means of defense but who, backed by "society itself," must have been genuinely frightening. Munich and Capote were similarly set 30 or 40 years in the past. Was this just coincidental? Crash was the only Best Picture nominee set in the present day, and it too was more than a little tinged with nostalgia for the highly picturesque "urban jungle" world of the '70s and '80s when crime-ridden ghettos were no-go areas for whites and innocent blacks were routinely victimized by racist white cops. Oh, to have those days back again, when "revolution" was in the air! That's why the performance on stage at the Oscars of the Best Song-nominated ditty "In the Deep" from Crash took place against a backdrop of fake burning cars.

But Crash had something more than nostalgia for the comforting moral and political certainties of that revolutionary time. It had the monumental smugness of those who, like the Academy itself this year, think it a virtue in itself to be "aware" of social problems and who, in thinking about such problems, fancy their own sophistication as moralists, their own concerns for "society's victims," than their less enlightened fellow picture-goers. Crash, like the Oscars themselves, blatantly appeals to the taste of the "movie community" for self-congratulation. Movie people swallow its intolerable preachiness and easy didacticism because they think it is good for them, not because it is good in itself, let alone entertaining. They watch themselves watching Crash and think, not for the first time, "What fine fellows we are for thus showing that we care about racial prejudice in society." That word again! In Crash, as much as in Brokeback Mountain, they want "society" back so that they can have something to rebel against. Until then, they have to play at being rebels and revolutionaries as well as serious moralists and political activists. Each pose is as false as the others, but by handing out awards to themselves for their serious-mindedness, the progressives of the movie community are able to sustain themselves -- and quite a lot of other people too -- in the illusion for just a bit longer.

James Bowman, The American Spectator's movie critic, is a resident scholar at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and media essayist for the New Criterion.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: California
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1 posted on 03/06/2006 11:46:48 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Its all illusion. Now its time to go back to the business of making movies.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 03/06/2006 11:51:04 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway; goldstategop
What a bunch of BS!

Crash was essentially a meditation on 1. Despite what we state in public, we still maintain "politically incorrect" opinions about other races (whether we are black, white, or any other color). Crash merely made the characters say what most of us think but are afraid to say. and 2. Despite our preoccupation with racism as "the ultimate public sin", many of those that superficially are racist, are actually outstanding human beings under the rough surface. The hero of the film is a "bigoted" white cop for Crissake.

This writer is so blinded by the ideology that "everything is hunky dory among the races" in America, that he failed to see the real message behind the movie: That all of us have our faults and prejudices, but that they do not define who we are as people.

3 posted on 03/06/2006 11:55:46 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: nickcarraway
Well said article. Hollywood again tries to enthrone a film that most of us will never see. (Yawn)

After watching selected portions of the Oscarcast, I'm going to rent March of the Penguins and Walk the Line, and ignore the rest. Already seen Narnia and will buy it when it comes out on DVE.

4 posted on 03/06/2006 11:55:54 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Ciexyz

You will not be disappointed by WALK THE LINE: pure entertainment from the first minute to the last, always interesting, never tries too hard, doesn't have to, and some of the best acting you will see in any movie>Phoenix and Witherspoon were perfection.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 12:02:29 AM PST by willyboyishere (You'd better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live> Brecht)
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To: Ciexyz

Agree with you. Hollywood is fast becoming irrelevant. As Mark Steyn wrote recently, it is a record shop with only three records and it plays the same three over and over again ...


6 posted on 03/07/2006 12:08:55 AM PST by dimmer-rats stealvotes (Catching onto the FOX Fonies)
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To: Clemenza

You make some good points. To be honest, I am prob one of the few people on here that saw Brokeback Mouintain and actually thought it was a pretty good film. I think he right on about the manufactured hype about the movie esp on the left. I thought Crash was disappointing in alot of ways. I think the writer does have a point about the old days. The NR had quite a good article on how after 9/11 it seemed that it really disminished the race issue because we are all Americans now. In my view it certainty took the nasty "edge" off of it though. It does seems like it receded some but your right in your post though. I guess I cant see another LA Riot situation happening like that again in our current climate. or for the forseeable future.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 12:14:13 AM PST by bayourant
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To: willyboyishere

Joaquin Phoenix is a marvelous actor, much better than Clooney and some of the other recent winners. Shame that he hasn't picked up an Oscar by now. He was terrific as Commodus in "Gladiator".


8 posted on 03/07/2006 12:14:45 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: dimmer-rats stealvotes
I think it's a hoot how the Oscars play clips from the same old banner films from the past (Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, Spartacus) while cranking out films that would have the old-time producers puking in disgust.

To give Best Song to that disgusting piece of drivel, the pimp-ho song....ye-gawds....

9 posted on 03/07/2006 12:17:31 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Ciexyz

That is the truth. I think his acting is awesome. I thought a great film he was in was The village. That was some great actiing on his part. Also how he played the son in that MEl Gibson movie about Aliens was good.


10 posted on 03/07/2006 12:20:48 AM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant

I remember the days when viewers of the Oscar show actually cared about which song won "Best Song". When a tune like "Windmills of Your Mind" would stay in your mind for ages, uplifting you. When you could sit and watch without embarrassment the clips from the various movies. (The Altman montage had some quip about urinating, I found that embarrassing. I switched the channel.)


11 posted on 03/07/2006 12:21:36 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: bayourant
The NR had quite a good article on how after 9/11 it seemed that it really disminished the race issue because we are all Americans now. In my view it certainty took the nasty "edge" off of it though.

The effects of 9/11 lasted for all of one month in NYC.

Whites continue to avoid living among blacks, and many still cross the street when a group of black youth walk by. Blacks still see white people as "the enemy" in many cases, no matter how they try to supress their feelings in the work place. And class has nothing to do with it. Upper middle class blacks have moved into West Orange New Jersey in recent years, while whites have moved out.

Of course, the race issue is not as intense as it once was in this country, but it is still there, and has gotten more complex due to the influx of Latinos, Muslims, Asians, etc., many of whom are more open of their hatred of blacks, btw, than whites are. The main difference is that middle class and above folks may not SAY anything racist, but they still have images/stereotypes in the back of their mind when they encounter other races or drive through an "ethnic" neighborhood.

Speaking as one who has lived most of his life in multiethnic New York, to say nothing of stints in Chicago and Miami, I can tell you that the folks who believe that "racism is a thing of the past and we are all colorblind" tend to live in (largely white) suburban communities. Those of us in places like LA, New York, Chicago, etc. however, encounter racial realities everyday.

12 posted on 03/07/2006 12:22:00 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Clemenza

Yeah I see your point and I dont think Racism is dead. I t just seems a lot less heated. Interesting you mentioned Chicago. I was pretty shocked when I went there. I guess being from the South I envisioned Chicago being alot more intergrated but in reality it seemed to be one of the most segregated cities I have been in of that size as to blacks and whites interacting outside the work place. Even in the mundane things like going to the grocery store. My favorite expression was (that place is kinda of shady).


13 posted on 03/07/2006 12:34:59 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Clemenza
Those of us in places like LA, New York, Chicago, etc. however, encounter racial realities everyday.

Maybe so, but in my experience, the ones perpetrating the most racism are the same ones complaining most loudly about being victims of racism.

And as far as whites crossing the street when a group of black youths walk by - who could blame them? Black society, as a whole, has embraced the "gangster" culture and with 1 in 4 or so black men either in prison or out on parole, and many of the rest wanting to emulate them, it might behoove those people who don't wish to have to engage in street combat to make some effort to avoid groups of black youth. That may not sound PC, but there it is. When black Americans quit embracing the worst elements of society, people will stop treating them like criminals.
14 posted on 03/07/2006 12:36:13 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Clemenza
Whites ... still cross the street when a group of black youth walk by.

If they look like thugs, you bet. If they look like students, no.

15 posted on 03/07/2006 12:54:16 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: nickcarraway

What liberals don't understand that many times not doing what you "feel" like doing is the best course of action. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be. Conservatives by nature understand the value of restraint. Liberals give in to every desire. Their urges for immediate gratification dominate their lives. That old motto from the sixties "if it feels good, do it" still applies to the Hollyweird crowd. They fail to understand that many people might "feel good" nuking L.A. Simply acting on ones impulses with no consideration of the consequences is not the proper course of action. If it feels good, maybe you shouldn't do it.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 12:57:52 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: bayourant

I have to ask, what makes someone want to even see Brokeback Mountain knowing what the subject matter is? I'm serious.. we all know what the topic was.. so what was the attraction to it for you? Curiosity?

The man running the Oscars said he realized not many people had seen many of the movies that were nominated. Which is why he did all the "clips" of old movies because everyone could relate to them. Talk about a movie industry that is out of touch with the public!

Personally, we won't be seeing Syriana, Munich, or Brokeback Mountain. We won't support movies that glorify terrorists or try to "humanize" them. (Tell that to the victims of Munich or Sept 11th who had to jump from buildings.. tell the little school girls just a few months ago in Afghanistan who were forced to watch their teacher be beheaded because he DARED to teach little girls school! Which btw, was just as Syriana was being nominated! Tell all the people they've beheaded how they are human too!) No, I don't think putting a face on a terrorist and making them seem like us is responsible at all. They aren't like us. They aren't even close! They are cold and evil!

The same holds true for a movie that tries to show homosexuality as a "normal" way of life. It isn't!

If it were there wouldn't be a disease process that the homosexual community is constantly in battle with in order to have sexual relations and even STAY ALIVE! HIV/AIDS!

The same goes for sexually active promiscuous people. People who have multiple partners are at high risk and often get STD's. I have a medical background and have worked in this area. Condoms don't solve all STD problems.

God intended for man and woman to be monogomous/married. Isn't it strange how when they are, there is NO disease?

When we turn away from Him things just don't work the way they should. There is no getting away from it. Someday, mankind will figure it out.

This life is but the blink of an eye compared to eternity. Blink your eye once and think about it!

Yet some play Russian roulette with life. I feel sorry for those who have thought there was nothing more than this life to contend with. Eternity is forever...

Anyway.. Hollywood has truly out done themselves this time. I was curious if anyone on FR would try to defend any of the movies that were out there this year.

I don't have to see any of the movies to know if they are good or bad. The subject matter is already off limits. Sin is sin. Wrong is wrong....


17 posted on 03/07/2006 1:19:09 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Jeff Chandler

If they look like thugs, you bet. If they look like students, no.



If they look like Jehovah's Witnesses, yes.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 1:23:33 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: fr_freak
" And as far as whites crossing the street when a group of black youths walk by - who could blame them? Black society, as a whole, has embraced the "gangster" culture and with 1 in 4 or so black men either in prison or out on parole....."

When an Ethnic Group that accounts for only 14% of the U.S. population causes 42% of the crimes, avoiding that group is nothing more than self-survival.

19 posted on 03/07/2006 1:34:07 AM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: nickcarraway
... gay cowboys -- or, more accurately, sheep-boys ...

Instead of cow pokes, they were sheep pokes.

20 posted on 03/07/2006 1:36:17 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: albee

An easier formula to follow might be to avoid the poor, since they account for a massive percentage of crime.


21 posted on 03/07/2006 1:36:35 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

I did not see the Cloony film. I thought that was a bunch of political propaganda that was very slanted, The MUnich film I sort of felt the same way on and decided not to spend the money on it. Brokeback Mountain I went to go see for a few reasons. First I was a little misinformed on the time period. For some reason I though this occurred at point decades ago. I was curious partly for that reason to see how it would be portrayed.
I believe that homosexuality is a sin. However its pretty clear to me that alot of this has being going on for a long time by a lot more people than just the average homosexual. I would classify alot of "homosexual" behavior as not being practiced by homosexuals but by bisexuals or more to the point alot of straight guys that have some occasional flare ups of same sex attraction. You cant go to a rest area or a public park or a mens restroom and look at the stalls without seeing that there is alot of straight guy cruising bi or other straight guys stuff going on. So yeah subcultures have always fascinated me. The taboo and the way that society ,in it own ways, allows certain unsaid outlets for that activity is something that is pretty fascinating. PLus, I suspect that some guys I know prob had some little "same sex experience" that went on in their past days and have needless guilt over it thats exhibited by some of their attitudes that at times gets tiresome. So I was interested in the subject matter. On the whole I thought it was good movie. I didnt agree with all the moral points but I know alot of that stuff goes on. So for that was the interest for me. PLus and I had this disscusion before on here. I think there is a real silent reveloution going on sex wize that is going unnoticed. I think that the attitude of females and esp males in this 16 to 25 age group has really changed. So I was interested in crowd reaction to it also


22 posted on 03/07/2006 1:46:44 AM PST by bayourant
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To: albee

I don't think race plays a part anyone more its culture. Black people who act like the average middle class american kid, fits in 100% with white kids on my campus. Its not even fitting in, they are a part of our culture. Now the black kids who dress like thugs, they hang together. Is it race that keeps them from white people, maybe, but its more likely their culture. If you can't speak english, dress like you a thug, and act like a jackass, only other people like you are going to hang around you.

I thought Crash was really good actually, I thought it was going to be political correct crap, but it was a great story. Hard to pick best pic of the year because most movies where terrible this year. The only movies I enjoyed weere Batman Begins, Sin City, Serenity, and the new star wars to a lesser extent.


23 posted on 03/07/2006 1:49:39 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: nickcarraway

I haven't seen the movie "Brokebutt...back...brokeback Mountain" but I cannot believe that 2 young cowboys would be gay with all those good looking sheep running around. (A joke! No really a joke! I did not look at those sheep much! Honest! I am telling the truth, this time!) Sarcasm - not a joke.


24 posted on 03/07/2006 2:11:16 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: RHINO369

Call it "profiling" if you wish but I play the odds and when 14% of the people commit 42% of the crimes why take the risk?


25 posted on 03/07/2006 2:56:55 AM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks for posting this; I read it this morning at AmSpec. It's and excellent and clear accounting.

Hollywood is absorbed with "self", ergo cannot comprehend love for fellow man, and which is why they LOVE to hide behind the chimera of more turbulent times. As tho.

26 posted on 03/07/2006 3:17:38 AM PST by Alia
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To: Ciexyz; goldstategop
James Bowman bump.

My favorite film critic.

27 posted on 03/07/2006 3:26:00 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Ciexyz
“Send flowers to their bitches and ho's.” -Leslie Nielsen, Scary Movie III
28 posted on 03/07/2006 3:33:57 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: RHINO369
Crash is an interesting story. It charges immediately into racism and you think it's about anti-white political correctness but it evolves into a picture of all races being inherently prejudiced against one another... which I believe to be truthful.

It portrays Los Angeles not as the liberals' fantasy "melting pot," but as an ocean of isolated and disconnected people, "lonely and fearful in the crowd," surrounded by other races they despise as monolothic groups.

In the end, the story is written in such a way to bring the characters toward personal redemption in such a way that they are seen as having decency beneath a pervasive, racist surface.

It turned out to be a better and deeper story than I thought it might be.

29 posted on 03/07/2006 3:50:30 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Ciexyz

From "Windmills of Your Mind" to the pimp-ho song.

We've come a long way, baby.


30 posted on 03/07/2006 3:56:26 AM PST by Canedawg (Two ears, one mouth)
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To: Clemenza

Shot in the 1960's in NYC, I crossed the street, turned the corner, or ducked into a store; when a group of white youths walked down the street.


The JDs of the day considered 10 to 1 fair odds.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 4:25:34 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: willyboyishere
You will not be disappointed by WALK THE LINE

By FAR the best movie I saw last year. The actually story is a little tired, highly talented 50's era star haunted by drugs, hurting people he/she loves, etc. The subject - Johnny Cash - is very interesting. You don't have to love his music to love the movie, but it sure doesn't hurt if you do. What made the movie special was the acting. The weaving together of Johnny's life with the other stars of the era was also very good. Shooter Jennings, Waylon's son played his father in the movie.

What this movie had that most don't is it tells a very good story. That's what gets rational people to the movies. I saw 8 Below this past weekend. It tells a very good story about a mans loyalty to his sled dogs in a life setting - Antarctica - that most of us know little about. I sincerely doubt it will win any awards next year, but it was a good show.

Both of these movies gave me what I want from a movie. To briefly share a believable life experience and to get a glimpse of life experiences I will likely never have, in a manner that generally makes one feel better about society.

32 posted on 03/07/2006 4:41:55 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: razorback-bert

That was A LONG time ago. These days, the only group of white "youths" you see in NYC walking in tight packs are a group of homos coming out of a Chelsea bar or a group of Scandanavian backpackers (as opposed to fudgepackers). ;-)


33 posted on 03/07/2006 5:43:01 AM PST by Clemenza (President: North American Hobbit Hunters Society)
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To: nickcarraway
...while the red-state types who think that gays ought to be in jail don't go to the movies anyway, or not unless Jesus is putting in an appearance...

Was this really neccessary?

34 posted on 03/07/2006 5:44:25 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Clemenza

latinos & muslims are races ?

whites avoiding living among blacks is racist ?


35 posted on 03/07/2006 6:40:11 AM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: Clemenza

The effects of 9/11 lasted for all of one month in NYC.




That's not true. I see echos of it everyday. In subtle ways it did transform the city.


36 posted on 03/07/2006 6:43:16 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
It portrays Los Angeles not as the liberals' fantasy "melting pot," but as an ocean of isolated and disconnected people, "lonely and fearful in the crowd," surrounded by other races they despise as monolothic groups.

I grew up there, and I think this is an accurate description of it...

37 posted on 03/07/2006 7:12:51 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: bayourant

Bi-sexuality "is" gay behaviour. It too is a sin. I think your answer for going to the movie is interesting. It's full of excuses and reasonings for going to a movie that glorified homosexuality and even tried to envoke sympathy for it in an effort to make it more socially acceptable. This movie played on peoples sympathies.

We are warned that Satan will work on us in many ways,.. I have no doubt this was one of his venues. (Just one.. for there are a multitude).

His ways can look very beautiful and feel very heartfelt and emotional. But it is a trap!

His ways are still dark and evil. From what little you just told me.. I think you've experienced more in life than you ever should have already. I can assure you not all men, nor the majority of them have had bi-sexual experiences. But men that have, can find freedom from the guilt and sin of it. They can seek God, ask forgiveness and be free from the evil that threatens them for "eternity".

For those who are living in a gay lifestyle, there are ministries that work specifically in that area. They are extremely successful in helping them live a healthy normal life.

Many men and women have been helped and NOW know the peace that comes with having God in their lives. They got tired of the turmoil and pain in their lives and decided to not let the dark side win!

Just walking into that movie theatre was a win for the evil one. I don't need to see a video of evil doing evil to know it is wrong. Nothing about it interest me. You have to ask yourself why the movie drew you to it.. what entity drew you to it? Answer; Satan did!

I hope you will think about it. I pray you will see how wrong it was to even encourage a movie like that by buying a ticket. And, I pray you will have a change of heart in the movies you promote by viewing a movie like that in the future. The morale decay of man in the last 25 years has been depressing. But change has to start somewhere. And it starts by changing the hearts and minds of men and women.

God Bless...


38 posted on 03/07/2006 9:42:04 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: nickcarraway

A lot to do about nothing.

In fact I would not have posted except I am bored this late at night.


39 posted on 03/07/2006 9:44:56 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

Thank you. Well said.


40 posted on 03/07/2006 9:52:17 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Ciexyz

"Hollywood again tries to enthrone a film that most of us will never see. (Yawn)"

Have they ever released the box office numbers for "Humpback" Mountain?


41 posted on 03/07/2006 10:30:26 PM PST by no dems ("A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking" Steven Wright)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife

First let me thank you for your response. I can tell a very heartfilled and prayerful response to a person and that is often missing on these boards where everyone has an viewpoint on every thing under the sun and to differ with it is like violating Holy Writ. Now let me be clear. I did not go through a whole moral prayerful process to decide if I should see this movie, Perhaps I should have but I did not. Nethertheless, I am not endorsing any pro homosexual agenda that comes out of this movie. Let me clarify my stand on the whole bisexual and gay thing. I of course think its a sin. I think with different people there are different levels of culpubility. But its a sin or the behavior is more to the point. I am in full support of ministries that reach out to homosexuals and bi sexuals in a Christian way. Fellow Christians could do alot if they would reach out to these folks and encourage them in a celibate lifestyle which is tough to do in this day and age. I dont mean to imply that the majority of men have some sort of Bisexual experience. But I have heard enough to know its alot more than people think. As to a statement that I said that I have friends that carry around needless guilt about some same sex fling. What I meant by that is that its over we all sin let it go. Some men because of sexual sins of that nature let it torture them the rest of their lives which is quite silly and in fact destructive if their Christian.
I dont buy into the glorious gay lifestyle thing. I have friends that are gay and besides maybe one they are all seem pretty unfullfilled in life.


42 posted on 03/07/2006 10:35:09 PM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant

Thanks for your response. What is sad is if people would ask for forgiveness and "truly" understand that once it is given, they need never feel guilt again.

To feel guilt about something you are forgiven for, means you never really believed in the first place. Forgiveness is given so freely from the Father. I wish that kind of freedom for all sinners.

Thanks for the clarification. God Bless!


43 posted on 03/08/2006 9:16:25 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: peggybac

I like your tagline.

Boy, after seeing the winners of all the award shows this year, you see that Spiritual discernment is what is needed in our society. It works for us in making our decisions. But sadly, it's sorely lacking in Hollywood. We'll just have to keep praying for Hollywood since they provide our movie entertainment and kids "are" influenced by them.

Oh for the days we could go to a good movie on any given weekend as a child. Hard to believe those days ever existed! I know Disney USED to make good movies and I remember as a child going to those movies all the time.

Today you go to a movie that is rated PG praying that a bad word won't slip out. Believe me, if there's a bad word in it.. our little grandson who we are raising, or the little ones we usually take with us HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR!!! They will gasp and look at us like a bomb just went off!

We won't participate in the kind of sleeze that was nominated at this years Oscars. Why would we encourage Hollywood by going to this kind of crud?

If we don't encourage them, perhaps they'll start making good movies again!

God Bless!


44 posted on 03/08/2006 9:37:33 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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