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Winston Churchill on Islam
The River War | 1899 | Sir Winston Churchill

Posted on 03/07/2006 6:30:18 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: churchill; crushislam; islam; winstonchurcill
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I'm quite sure I've never posted a 107 year old excerpt on this forum. But in light of recent events, including the Chapel Hill terrorist incident last Friday, Churchill's take remains amazingly timely.
1 posted on 03/07/2006 6:30:20 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Looks like Winnie had Islam sussed a long time ago.


2 posted on 03/07/2006 6:31:48 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

Well stated!

3 posted on 03/07/2006 6:33:14 PM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Too bad Muslims will be the majority in England by 2010!

They're already the majority in Leeds, Bristol, Manchester and two other cities in Churchill's beloved homeland.


4 posted on 03/07/2006 6:35:08 PM PST by GreatWhiteLionSnake
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Churchill was not even 25 years of age when he wrote that.

Amazing.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 6:36:49 PM PST by jdm
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To: Rummyfan
Looks like Winnie had Islam sussed a long time ago.

Interesting, too, that Winston was 24 years old when he wrote this. I'm pretty sure I wasn't that wise at 24. Oh, wait, I'm still not.

6 posted on 03/07/2006 6:36:54 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (DUCK FOOK!)
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To: jdm

Five seconds. Dang.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 6:38:02 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (DUCK FOOK!)
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To: jdm
Churchill was not even 25 years of age when he wrote that. Amazing.

Truly. He would've been a helluva Freeper.

8 posted on 03/07/2006 6:38:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: GreatWhiteLionSnake
Too bad Muslims will be the majority in England by 2010!

With England's nuclear arsenal.
9 posted on 03/07/2006 6:40:07 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Also came across this quote from Churchill on Islam:

As the horn is to the rhinoceros and the stinger is to the wasp, so the Mohammedan faith is to the Arabs.

10 posted on 03/07/2006 6:41:30 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: southernnorthcarolina
By the way:

vo·ta·ry

n. pl. vo·ta·ries

1.a. A person bound by vows to live a life of religious worship or service.

b. A devout adherent of a cult or religion; a committed worshiper: the votaries of Aphrodite.

2. A person who is fervently devoted, as to a leader or ideal; a faithful follower.

3. A person who is filled with enthusiasm, as for a pursuit or hobby; an enthusiast.

11 posted on 03/07/2006 6:42:49 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: GreatWhiteLionSnake
Too bad Muslims will be the majority in England by 2010!

They're already the majority in Leeds, Bristol, Manchester and two other cities in Churchill's beloved homeland.

Frightening! Even more so if I lived in England. Will the Brits wake up? Is it too late already?

12 posted on 03/07/2006 6:43:58 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Mr. Mojo

I've read three of his books on WWII. Got to finish the set; my writing improves greatly after reading Churchill.


13 posted on 03/07/2006 6:44:03 PM PST by Loud Mime ("Countdown" - A documentary about Keith Olbermann's dwindling IQ)
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To: Loud Mime

How many books in the set?


14 posted on 03/07/2006 6:46:47 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: southernnorthcarolina

The age is of little concern. The words ring true yet today reinforcing the text "He who fails to learn the lessons of history is fated to repeat it."


15 posted on 03/07/2006 6:47:41 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

...OVER ISLAM!
16 posted on 03/07/2006 6:52:03 PM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

http://www.blackmask.com/Detailed/History/The_River_War--Winston_S._Churchill_7229.html

Above URL is free books in several formats,


17 posted on 03/07/2006 6:55:06 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Edward Gibbon (of a much earlier age) was even less flattering:
18 posted on 03/07/2006 6:55:46 PM PST by impatient
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To: NewLand

Win Da Man!


19 posted on 03/07/2006 6:56:01 PM PST by cmsgop ( I love Scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Churchill was born in 1874. He must have written this in his early twenties.


20 posted on 03/07/2006 6:58:54 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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http://www.blackmask.com/cgi-bin/newlinks/search.cgi?query=Winston+Churchill

There are 6 of his early books at above URL.
Several formats also.


21 posted on 03/07/2006 7:01:46 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

What a brilliant man. The eloquence is mesmerizing and unparalleled.


22 posted on 03/07/2006 7:03:19 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"-Samuel Johnson to the Dems of today.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
How many books in the set?

Churchill's The Second World War, mostly written after his 1945 defeat and before his comeback, consists of six volumes. Churchill wrote elsewhere: "History will be kind to me, for I shall write it." Certainly true with respect to The Second World War.

I'd never be so presumptuous as to say that a given work is "required reading," but this one is close.

23 posted on 03/07/2006 7:03:58 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (DUCK FOOK!)
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To: NewLand
You do realize I'm going to steal this picture lol. Well done! :)

Jeff

24 posted on 03/07/2006 7:07:23 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: NewLand

And your text too. :)


25 posted on 03/07/2006 7:08:06 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I can not find this quote in the on-line edition version.


26 posted on 03/07/2006 7:14:10 PM PST by Hiddigeigei (One doesn't have to regret the Enlightenment to be a conservative!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Great stuff, thanks for posting!

bump

27 posted on 03/07/2006 7:16:03 PM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Yeah, it's one of those classics that has remained on my "to read" list for .....almost two decades now.

I did finally get around to reading William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and it was excellent.

28 posted on 03/07/2006 7:25:10 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Also from Patton:

"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."

General George S. Patton
29 posted on 03/07/2006 7:25:11 PM PST by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitur")
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To: southernnorthcarolina

"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."

It would be good to have a thread of all such *politically incorrect* statements from famous statesmen and such to stand tall next to some of today's pablum.


30 posted on 03/07/2006 7:32:25 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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"Churchill was not even 25 years of age when he wrote that."

The man was brilliant, brave and blunt -- oh, and I think he was learning disabled in his youth. An extraordinary man. Haven't seen his kind since.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 7:33:52 PM PST by quesney
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"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it."

Proving once again - The more things change the more they stay the same!

32 posted on 03/07/2006 7:39:09 PM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Great quote! Churchill nailed Hitler and he has pegged the Muslims. To bad people are ignoring him now just as they did when he nailed Hitler. Unfortunately many who don't see his wisdom call themselves conservatives.


33 posted on 03/07/2006 7:39:22 PM PST by hawkiye
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[re Churchill's The Second World War]: Yeah, it's one of those classics that has remained on my "to read" list for .....almost two decades now.

Do it. You won't regret it. Great inside account not only of the war itself, but of its root causes, and the buildup to it. Of course, the fact that Churchill was a (or perhaps the) key player makes it better.

Contrast with his A History of the English Speaking Peoples, four volumes ©1956-58. I love Winnie, but God, what a plodder. Of course, he was well into his 80s when he wrote it. But way too broad in scope, and the author didn't star in the work.

34 posted on 03/07/2006 7:47:29 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (DUCK FOOK!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Bump


35 posted on 03/07/2006 7:58:10 PM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: JerseyDvl

His writing reminds me of Mencken. And that's very high praise.


36 posted on 03/07/2006 8:05:58 PM PST by Huck (space for rent)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
The Second World War is a fascinating read, right down to the foot notes, but even with the quality of Churchill's writing it takes awhile to finish because of sheer size. IIRC, I finished it not long before Ultra became known, the main secret he had to leave out.
37 posted on 03/07/2006 8:12:58 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Fer Later


38 posted on 03/07/2006 8:15:40 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: JerseyDvl

Absolutely.

:-)


39 posted on 03/07/2006 8:38:49 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume (Memo to Al Franken: Read Ecclesiastes 7:9, and get back to me.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

“If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam”--George Bernard Shaw


40 posted on 03/07/2006 8:40:53 PM PST by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr. The man on my POW bracelet.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Yep a very smart non politically correct man.


41 posted on 03/07/2006 9:04:30 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
I too have read Churchill's six voulumn History of WWII. An extremely long work but fascinating for all the telegrams orders etc. plus his own writings.

I agree, nearly a must read.

42 posted on 03/07/2006 9:09:52 PM PST by yarddog
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Good stuff from old Winston. Posted many times in threads. Third time in a month on its own. Bares repeating.


43 posted on 03/07/2006 9:59:18 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Winston Churchill 1896

44 posted on 03/07/2006 10:07:20 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Hey, this is really good. Thanks for the thread.


45 posted on 03/07/2006 10:28:59 PM PST by MeekMom (Praise Jesus! We have so much to be thankful for!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Churchill had combat experience fighting the fuzzy wuzzy muzzy terrorists of his day.


46 posted on 03/07/2006 10:38:38 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Churchill was also an excellent painter. Amazingly the first time he picked up a paint brush he was 40 years old. He was going through depression at the time and was looking for something to occupy himself.


48 posted on 03/08/2006 1:28:54 PM PST by Atlantian
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I've read that he was diagnosed as being barely above retarded when he was a child.

I'll take that to mean merely misunderstood. He must have had a hard life coming up.

We could sure use a world leader like that now. His resolution can only be matched by our own President.

Of course, Churchill didn't have England's press to fight off every time he did something either.


49 posted on 03/08/2006 4:38:57 PM PST by GreatWhiteLionSnake (Wait for the Still of the Night and then Rock Me!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Some other great quotes by Churchill


I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)

It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer of the type well-known in the East, now posing as a fakir, striding half naked up the steps of the Viceregal palace to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King-Emperor.
Comment on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India (1931)

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.
"Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935)

I feel that Briton colonization was the main reason why extremism in Muslim countries took hold. From Palestine, Kashmir to Iraq. The British leader in 1900s were racist and they hated muslims so they used divide and conquer method to create artificial boundaries between countries in 1900s.
50 posted on 06/16/2006 9:16:22 PM PDT by Black Power 1234
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