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US army patented bioagent dispencer in 2003
United States Patent and Trademark Office ^ | February 25, 2003 | Gonzalez, et al.

Posted on 03/15/2006 9:47:25 AM PST by S0122017

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To: ping jockey
take a deep breath and relax. When the reality fairy sprinkles rational thought dust on you everything will be otay.

Everything is not going to be "otay". Putting dispersal of bioagents in a patent for a military application is a bigger error then bush calling the war a crusade. You understand that? You all seem to just point out that bioagents can be something harmless. If you hear the word 'bioagent' is you're first impression that of something harmless? Not according to Geneva.
21 posted on 03/15/2006 10:24:43 AM PST by S0122017 (I know something you don't know. If you know something I don't know, we can trade.)
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To: Sax

Sorry, pepper spray is not a biological agent.
Biological agents are not derived from organisms, the definition is that they ARE organisms.


22 posted on 03/15/2006 10:32:16 AM PST by S0122017 (I know something you don't know. If you know something I don't know, we can trade.)
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Tempest in a tea pot.


23 posted on 03/15/2006 10:32:23 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: ping jockey

yes yes, and it will make everything otay, right?
Well whatever. But if you are going to use double standards concerning bioagents, then it will cause more problems then you think. Other countries are also going to use youre 'soft' bioagent definition.

The whole set up of Geneva was to prevent that by outlawing all bioweapons, even non-lethal ones.


25 posted on 03/15/2006 10:40:29 AM PST by S0122017 (I know something you don't know. If you know something I don't know, we can trade.)
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Ok, my bad, insert non-lethal bioagent here. Also, it doesn't mandate the used of this product on humans either. It could be used containing bioagents for coca or opium eradication. Now that may not be the most efficient method, but it's not up to the patent writer to decide that. He writes it for all eventualities.
26 posted on 03/15/2006 10:40:53 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

The best argument i heard so far.. Alright.
But they certainly should have thought twice before using loaded words like that.


27 posted on 03/15/2006 10:47:58 AM PST by S0122017 (I know something you don't know. If you know something I don't know, we can trade.)
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To: S0122017

Cheers


28 posted on 03/15/2006 10:53:08 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax
Also, it doesn't mandate the used of this product on humans either. It could be used containing bioagents for coca or opium eradication.

How about loading the rifle with Sevin for total destruction of aphids in the White House Rose Garden?

Clearly, a weapon of mass destruction (WMD).

29 posted on 03/15/2006 11:02:59 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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I wonder how it would go over in my neighborhood if I sat there in my front with an M-14 and added some nitrogen fertilizer to my lawn. Then maybe I could gas a few hornet's nests, and as the day wore on into the evening, I could send up some citronella clouds to keep the 'skeeters away.


30 posted on 03/15/2006 11:08:58 AM PST by Sax
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Then maybe I could gas a few hornet's nests, and as the day wore on into the evening, I could send up some citronella clouds to keep the 'skeeters away.

I think air burst technology would be more effective for the hornet's nest idea.

XM29 Integrated Air Burst Weapon

31 posted on 03/15/2006 11:13:27 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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I've seen that nifty new rifle - definitely gun porn. Looks like something that was made by Nerf in that pic though!


32 posted on 03/15/2006 11:16:21 AM PST by Sax
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To: Sax

Hey, this patent mentions aerosol...Uh, oh, there goes the Ozone layer...


33 posted on 03/15/2006 11:21:10 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: S0122017
You are missing the point not being made here.

Legally, the United States can make all of the biochemical agents that it wants. - It can't use them in open warfare.

Should the worldwide paradigm change, those rules may very well fall by the wayside.

There isn't any problem in my view

How can the US army confront terror countries because of their bio and chemical weapons, if they are cosnidering their own?

with overwhelming force

34 posted on 03/15/2006 11:26:45 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: S0122017

"No matter how you define bioagents, the official definition is that of a weapon. No weapon designer or researcher in their right mind would include it as 'potential use'. It would immediately classify the weapon as being part of outlawed weaponry."

By including that as a potential use we have legal means of blocking other parties from using it in that manner. Anyways, when people are writing patents they will include all sorts of claims - most of which have no relation to reality - just to try to cover all the bases.

I think you are getting excited over pretty much nothing. There are more important things to worry about IMHO.


35 posted on 03/15/2006 12:25:05 PM PST by Avenger
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Oh, my.

My heart is all aflutter now that I know the guys in defense have been working with dispersing bioagents.

Really. This hysterical nonsense belongs at the DUmpster.

36 posted on 03/15/2006 2:00:48 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: Sax

I use mine for delivering clouds of Old Spice to attract people to my Lemonade Stand during NASCAR events.


37 posted on 03/15/2006 3:47:16 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("Keep your eyes on the stars, but remember to keep your feet on the ground." - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: S0122017

It's just an update of the old "rifle grenade" concept we had as far back as WWII.

Back then, you put a blank round in the chamber and mounted the "rifle grenade" on the end of the muzzle. The blank round made the rifle grenade go bang, thus launching the "grenade" farther than you could throw it. The problem with the system was that sometimes in the heat of battle guys would use live ammo instead of the blank round, usually resulting in a dead or seriously wounded GI.

This is just a rifle grenade that is designed to use live bullets instead of blanks. It looks like its main use is for delivering less-lethal munitions, which would include, by definition, chemical and biological agents. Remember, not all chemical and biological agents are necessarily for use against humans.


38 posted on 03/15/2006 3:54:40 PM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: PoorMuttly

Ha! Tony Stewart would be proud.


39 posted on 03/15/2006 7:05:29 PM PST by Sax
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