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Republican rats start to desert sinking ship
The Age ^ | March 20, 2006 | Michael Gawenda

Posted on 03/19/2006 9:21:33 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

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To: EternalVigilance
In my opinion, GOP candidates should bite the bullet and embrace President Bush and VP Cheney, despite the Administration's missteps and unpopularity.

Two main points:
1. there is a hollow core to the unpopularity - a hunk of it is based on unfortunate events which won't ultimately cause a vote to switch
2. Karl Rove is still on his game. As November approaches, Democrats will be squeezed by their support for ridiculous policies.

81 posted on 03/19/2006 2:25:14 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"Michael Gawenda is United States correspondent.

Michael Gawenda is alo a socialist. He must not know who the Rats are in this country.

82 posted on 03/19/2006 2:32:17 PM PST by TheLion
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To: NutCrackerBoy

I think conservatives should continue to do the right thing.

Embrace the President when his policies are the right ones, and act as the loyal opposition when they aren't.

And continue to fight the Left...

It isn't personal, it's about the future of the country.


83 posted on 03/19/2006 2:32:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("After all I've done for you people!!!" -John McCain)
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To: Cold Heat
I get your analogy and assume you are speaking about the prescription drug program.

My observation actually goes back to the Republican "response" to one of Bill Clinton's state-of-the-union addresses. I think it was 1998. Bill Clinton proposed a bunch of new programs, and all the Republican responder could do was offer up a bunch of "lite" versions of the same thing.

The proper way to attack the socialists would have been for Bush et al. to point out that every single time the government gets involved trying to make something cheaper for a select group of people, it causes the market price of that good or service to skyrocket to the point that it soon costs more for everyone--including the supposed beneficiaries of the program--than it would have if the program had never existed.

Bush et al. should have pointed out that part of the Democrats' definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.

Republicans need to come clean and admit that they've let themselves be pushed around by liars and thieves, but make a promise that they will call the thieves out on the carpet and stop doing business with them.

84 posted on 03/19/2006 2:36:00 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Those who disagree and want to improve the situation are one thing. Those who disagree and only want to improve their situation is quite another. Many of the problems with this ship of state can be traced to the RINOs and overly ambitions politicians onboard.


85 posted on 03/19/2006 2:36:35 PM PST by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Cold Heat
You have to be careful as to how you describe a Republican moderate. here on this forum it is a dirty word, but frankly like most labels it is inaccurate and insufficient. There are as many versions of moderate as there are races, and no two moderates are alike. They simply are not extremists and they are willing to listen and compromise. That is one of the definitions of politics.

The people who could rightfully described as moderates are fine, though the media usually refers to those people as "right-wing conservatives". If the media refer to a person as "moderate", that really means (1) the person is really a liberal, and (2) the person hasn't done anything terribly bad. If a politician does something very bad or crooked, the media will refer to him as "conservative" regardless of his ideological stance.

86 posted on 03/19/2006 2:45:04 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Cold Heat
The true base, or the Republican silent majority is not well represented on this forum or any conservative forum, and if they participate, as many have done and left, they are run off or trashed as being Bu-shies or mindless bots.

While I agree with most of your premise, I must take issue with this. In order for the true base to be represented (I consider myself a true conservative) we would have to have been represented by a true conservative. Bush is not that. He's at best a moderate at worst a socially liberal republican. The bush-bots, who blindly follow Bush, are therefore by definition not the conservative base.

I feel fully underrepresented by Bush. He is not far enough to the right either fiscally or socially. That is where the animosity comes from. The Republican Party, as represented by Bush, is NOT a conservative party.

Had we all backed the president during the second term where he had promised to fix most of these concerns, we would not be talking about this today and that is as simple as I can make it.

Other than Social Security, what did he try to fix? He has pushed the Medicaid Prescription Act, has pushed for more spending in the Dept. of Education and kow-towed to too many liberals like Kennedy and Clinton to engender the conservative base. He has alienated us instead of consolidating us.

87 posted on 03/19/2006 2:45:42 PM PST by raybbr
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To: GracieRose
I believe Bush is the best president we have had since Regan and one of the all time best.
88 posted on 03/19/2006 2:46:56 PM PST by Big Horn (The senate is loaded with scum-baggers)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Stop screwing up and people will get off Bush's back.

The problem in Washington DC is that after a few years they think that they tell us what to do.

The way it works is that we tell them what to do or they can get the hell out of office.

If Bush doesn't like the deal he can quit.


89 posted on 03/19/2006 3:05:23 PM PST by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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To: Big Horn

"I believe Bush is the best president we have had since Regan..."

Not a hard feat considering his competition we pretty crappy leaders.

"...and one of the all time best."

If you like big intrusive government, and wars where we let foreign powers fight in proxy without even attempting to stop them.


90 posted on 03/19/2006 3:07:25 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I googled this Michael Gawenda, and in just a couple of minutes I sized the guy up. He has an agenda. Nuff said.


91 posted on 03/19/2006 3:16:06 PM PST by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: Bommer
"Never understood why when someone disagrees with some of Bush's dimwitted policys and inaction, they are labeled 'Bush Haters'. Signing Campaign Finance Reform after he promised he wouldn't! Free Perscription Drugs! Harriet Myers! UAE debacle! Run away deficits! Record Government Expantion! No Veto in 5 years! I mean come on!"

Actually the term for disagreeing with the President has now morphed into labaling one a "Bush-Bashing xenophobic unappeaser."

92 posted on 03/19/2006 3:17:25 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: jazusamo

Yeah, I have checked the posts of a couple of these bush/bashers going back for quite awhile.

First of all, all of their posts are negative and they bash GWB but not the left. I mean if "there's no difference" and "Bush is just as bad" etc., you would think they would also be after the real left too.

Instead, if they mention the libs at all, it's usually something like, 'I'd rather have a real lib in office - at least you'd know what to expect'.


93 posted on 03/19/2006 3:21:16 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Let's Roll
['I'd rather have a real lib in office - at least you'd know what to expect'.]

Thanks for the info. Yes , I've seen that or words to that effect on several posts. What makes it seem so wrong to me is that it's not just one or two personal positions that he holds but the overall platform that is important.

None of these people that down right denigrate him should expect anyone to hold every precise view that they do. When you join on to support someone, the honorable thing is to see it thru, IMO.
94 posted on 03/19/2006 3:37:18 PM PST by jazusamo (:Gregory was riled while Hume smiled:)
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To: SteveMcKing

I knew it without the pic. He's just another RAT journalist with a passion to defeat any Pubbie in 2006. Also, he hates Bush.


95 posted on 03/19/2006 3:49:10 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Cold Heat

I don't know about "right wing", but there were some in the coalition who smelled blood after the Miers nomination and many of these same people, some not so conservative, jumped on the port deal as well.


96 posted on 03/19/2006 3:58:04 PM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Big Horn
I believe Bush is the best president we have had since Regan and one of the all time best

Geez Louise !!!!!!

97 posted on 03/19/2006 4:04:07 PM PST by Rise of South Park Republicans (The Founding Fathers wanted disagreements as long as we all agree America kicks as* - Eric Cartman)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Budget deficit.......put a cap on spending for 3-5 years.....until revenues catch up. That's what was done in the mid 1990s by the Republican Congress.

Agreed, but Romney said the opposite. He said we can't cut taxes anymore until we cut spending and I totally disagree. We'd never get tax cuts using that philosophy because there ain't no way spending is ever going to be cut voluntarily in D.C.

98 posted on 03/19/2006 5:25:59 PM PST by randita
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

If Rudy is heathly, and runs hard for the nomination, he will secure it. That is my prediction. Abortion is not the litmus test issue. Folks look for competence and leadership, particularly in the current environment. Romney will be strong too, for the same reasons, but Rudy is Rudy.


99 posted on 03/19/2006 5:27:31 PM PST by Torie
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To: randita

Romney cut spending in Massachussets big time. Who would have thought it could be done?


100 posted on 03/19/2006 5:33:01 PM PST by Torie
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