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Videotape Leads to Pentagon Probe of Iraqi Deaths
AOL News// ABC News ^ | March 20, 2006 | JONATHAN KARL

Posted on 03/21/2006 5:15:50 AM PST by yankeedame

Updated: 05:27 AM EST

Videotape Leads to Pentagon Probe of Iraqi Deaths
Military Investigates Marines' Role in Incident That Killed 15 Civilians

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By JONATHAN KARL, ABCNews.com

WASHINGTON (March 20) -- A bloody videotape shot by a local Iraqi journalism student has prompted the Pentagon to launch a criminal investigation into an incident that left at least 15 Iraqi civilians dead in the city of Haditha.


This image of shrouded bodies is from a video made by an Iraqi journalism student in Haditha, Iraq. Iraqis say Marines stormed their homes Nov. 19, killing 15 civilians


Haditha residents accuse U.S. troops of going on a rampage after a roadside bomb killed a Marine.


Marines attend a Nov. 29 memorial service for Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, the U.S. serviceman killed in the Nov. 19 roadside bombing that triggered raids in Haditha


The U.S. military initially said the bombing also killed the Iraqis, but officials now say the civilians were killed in crossfire as U.S. Marines stormed homes. Source: ABC

The details of what happened four months ago in Haditha are just now coming to light with the release of the videotape by an Iraqi organization called Hammurabi Human Rights.

The tape shows the bloodied and bullet-marked homes that had been allegedly stormed by the Marines, and includes comments by local residents.

"This is my father," a boy says on the tape. "He didn't do anything wrong. Why did they kill him?"

'These Are Children'

The video shows the bodies of some of the dead, including one of three children killed.

"These are children," one man on the tape says. "Are you telling me these are terrorists?"

It all started Nov. 19 when a roadside bomb hit a convoy of 12 Marines in Haditha, killing 20-year-old Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas.

The official press release said simply: "A U.S. Marine and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb."

Prompted by Magazine

What They Said

''First, [U.S. Marines] went into my father's room, where he was reading the Koran, and we heard shots. ...I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny.''
-- Eman Waleed, 9, who says she saw U.S. troops kill seven members of her family Nov. 19 in Haditha, Iraq

1/6 Sources: TIME, ABC News, AP

Military officials now acknowledge the Iraqis were not killed by the bomb -- but, they now say, by crossfire as U.S. Marines stormed the surrounding homes.

The military did not launch an investigation until two months after the incident, when Time magazine showed officials the video and eyewitness testimony.

"We launched an investigation of our own with the help of a human rights group," said Aparisim Ghosh, a writer for Time. "We spoke to some eyewitnesses. And it turns out all the people killed were killed by the Marines in small arms fire and, in a few instances, by an explosive that was tossed into the home by the Marines themselves."

Senior Pentagon officials would not comment on the details of the case but said they take the allegations very seriously, which is why they've launched the criminal investigation.

It still is not clear the Marines used excessive force, but the locals seem to have made up their minds.

"They came and started shooting all of a sudden," one local said. "They didn't even knock on the door. They killed them wholesale."

According to a military spokesman, the Marines involved still are deployed in Iraq.

03-20-06 16:33 EST

Copyright 2006 ABCNEWS.com


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 03/21/2006 5:15:55 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

Here we go again. MSM orchestrating the continued trashing of our military.


3 posted on 03/21/2006 5:20:28 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bert

My Lai massacre redux from the Vietnam war playbook.


4 posted on 03/21/2006 5:20:37 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: yankeedame
The details of what happened four months ago in Haditha are just now coming to light with the release of the videotape by an Iraqi organization called Hammurabi Human Rights.

Is the same group that launched an investigation into the violations of human rights due to beheadings of people like Tim Fox?
5 posted on 03/21/2006 5:23:25 AM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: yankeedame
...with the release of the videotape by an Iraqi organization called Hammurabi Human Rights

I'm suspicious.

And I HIGHLY doubt that US Marines would purposely open fire WITHOUT someone firing at them first; after the uproar over Abhu graihb prison, it's just not likely.

6 posted on 03/21/2006 5:24:29 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Decepticon

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7 posted on 03/21/2006 5:28:24 AM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: yankeedame

I think I'll wait for more information ... Time Mag. has a history


8 posted on 03/21/2006 5:30:06 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
I'm suspicious

So am I .. and this guy just happened to be there with a video camera??

I'd wait for more info on this because it doesn't smell right

9 posted on 03/21/2006 5:34:56 AM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: yankeedame
Another Information Warfare event to undermine the will of the American people. An ambush triggered by a mine/IED is deadly business. Immediate action drills in urban settings call for rapid reaction and a counter assault. If these Iraqis were killed in such an assault it is unfortunate but goes with the type of war being waged.

Mai Lai was a war crime because the ambush and fighting were over and the troops involved took unarmed civilians to a ditch and shot them as a reprisal. No indication here that this incident was such an event...
10 posted on 03/21/2006 5:38:59 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: Mo1
I'd wait for more info on this because it doesn't smell right.

Agreed. When your religion tells you that it is okay to lie to infidels because they are infidels, I am going to be very suspicious of what these witnesses say until more information comes out. Kind of reminds me of everyone who has been released from Gitmo. They have all claimed to have been tortured. Hmmm...

11 posted on 03/21/2006 5:40:46 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: yankeedame

Racak Redux!


12 posted on 03/21/2006 5:41:01 AM PST by F-117A
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To: F-117A

Do they have a picture of a bomb...when it should be a missle?


13 posted on 03/21/2006 6:20:45 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: yankeedame

The media loves to fail to mention that this is not an insurgent war, but a terror war, and that civilians of all kinds are used as shields or directly participate in shielding or fighting for terrorists in civilian clothing.

I saw a tape of Iraqi kids sent by parents to throw rocks at US truck convoys, & it is simply unacceptable to use cherub faces to launder a criminal genocidal war violating all Geneva conventions & that human rights groups do not go after such laundering of illegitimate warfare & crimes against humanity & exploitation of children... but so it is that provocations are made & a problem will happen one day & America will be blamed again.

This is however the weapons of mass destruction culture mentality of terrorists, use some cult, weapon or war doctrine that involves everyone on a mass scale in killing & getting killed, this is the hallmark of the leftist revolution.


14 posted on 03/21/2006 6:30:02 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: All

and they wonder why recruitment is down.


15 posted on 03/21/2006 6:33:11 AM PST by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: yankeedame
"First, [U.S. Marines] went into my father's room, where he was reading the Koran"

Oh yes, I'm sure he was just being a good illiterate muslim reading an Arabic koran when he can't even read Arabic or speak it. They speak farsi.

What to say this isn't another Islamic propaganda stunt where they shoot their own then parade them around for western media to gobble up.

I say B.S. to it all.

16 posted on 03/21/2006 6:39:24 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I don't disagree that it's propaganda but let's at least get our facts straight.

Farsi isn't the dominant language in Iraq.

Arabic is the only "official" language arabs acknowledge for the Koran. All who convert are taught some basics like saying the shihaada in Arabic. Whether or not he was reading it at the time, the language of his culture is irrelevant to his ability to read the Koran.


17 posted on 03/21/2006 6:44:39 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
They speak farsi.

Iraqis (except Kurds) speak Arabic. Iranians speak Farsi.

18 posted on 03/21/2006 6:46:55 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer

Most Iraqi's speak Arabic? News to me. Every one i ever met spoke farsi


19 posted on 03/21/2006 7:12:23 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: pgyanke

The koran isn't read. It's chanted from memory. You can hold it upside down and they wouldn't know the difference.

That's why this story is B.S. It's not like this guy was sitting in his room reading the bible, which is the impression they are trying to make, and us dumb westerners buy it.

And unless this was right in baghdad, I doubt these people could read Arabic at all. Haditha is where, more north nearer the kurds?

I'm sure these "nasty marines" would shoot this girls father and grandmother right in front of her, going from room to room while she watched. And then let her live to tell everyone about it. And it just so happened to be a Times reporter, who did his own "investigation".

We've seen these frauds before, the stories are too unbelievable to be even remotely true. I spent 23 years in the army, Nobody, especially a whole squad, would do anything like this. You could see one soldier snaping and going beserk, but nothing like this.


20 posted on 03/21/2006 7:25:49 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

According to the CIA World Factbook, the languages of Iraq are Arabic, Kurdish (official in Kurdish regions), Assyrian, Armenian.


21 posted on 03/21/2006 7:30:21 AM PST by Restorer
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To: pgyanke
There are several dialects in Iraq. And especially among the shia, farsi is the most spoken in Iran and Iraq. Arabic is spoken by the Sunni most often- but not always, it depends where they come from.

The Koran was origionaly written in Arabic, true- or so they try to tell us. Arabic wasn't a written language during Mohammads time, and was just developing oraly.
The Arabic in the Koran it's not quite the same as the Arabic used in everyday life.

The Koran is also written in many other languages. As mentioned, the usual method used to teach muslim youth the koran is by memorization. The literally memorize the entire koran. That's that "singing" you hear all the time in Islamic cities and towns.

Westerners visiting placed like Egypt, not understanding what they are saying, often comment how 'religious' the place is, not realizing that they could be signing the "and kill them where ever they are found" parts of the Koran.

Have you ever agued with muslims over what the koran says? The reason they argue with you, is because they have never read it. They have only memorized it and were told what it meant. That's why they are very evasive and often have to go ask their imam for a proper interpretation, and accuse you of reading it wrong.

The point is, even if the guy DID speak Arabic, it's pure BS that he was sitting in his room quietly reading the koran. Why would he need to do that when he has had it memorized from early childhood?

22 posted on 03/21/2006 7:48:27 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Restorer

Yes Assyrian and Armenian are closer to the Syrian side of the country, north west of Bahgdad. Bahgdad is where most of the Arabic would be heard, as well a south of Baghdad, closer to the Saudi border. Iranians and Iraqi Shia-eastern Iraq- speak farsi, or variants of it. And the Kurds of course are north near the Turkish border.

I'm sure many of them can speak several dialects. The only Iraqi's I've ever met spoke farsi. As to what percentage of iraqi's speak Arabic I don't know, but I do know it's not their ancestral language.

As I said, it's not really important anyways because it's not likely this guy was "reading" the koran. It's recited from memory. The authentic Arabic koran isn't the same Arabic used in everyday life, it lacks all the punctuations.

Unless he was reading a koran written in a different language, he was not reading the Koran. I sure wouldn't if I had the whole thing memorized and had repeated it everyday my entire life.



23 posted on 03/21/2006 8:08:13 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Restorer

Another thing, many Iraqi's are not really all that 'religious'. Only the severly nutty ones do all that chanting. (and killing and blowing up things) The shia are far more religious than the Sunni's. At least that's what my Iraqi friend told me. ( he's dead now, he went crazy and started burning down churches, then hung himself) Most of the Sunni's don't even answer the call to prayer, at least not those around Bahgdad.


24 posted on 03/21/2006 8:14:57 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: yankeedame
''First, [U.S. Marines] went into my father's room, where he was reading the Koran, and we heard shots. ...I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny.''

I call bull****.

25 posted on 03/21/2006 8:21:31 AM PST by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: Nathan Zachary; Admin Moderator

Please hijack another thread.


26 posted on 03/21/2006 8:23:23 AM PST by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: yankeedame

Sure would be nice to have the comments on this subject on just one thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600149/posts
Videotape Leads to Pentagon Probe of Iraqi Deaths


27 posted on 03/21/2006 8:25:52 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: denydenydeny
Please hijack another thread.

Who knew we were being hijacked?

28 posted on 03/21/2006 8:39:05 AM PST by TankerKC (Pull your head out.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Here is more information than you ever wanted about the languages spoken in Iraq, complete with estimates of the number of speakers of each.

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IQ

Out of about 25M, there are about 227,000 Farsi speakers in Iraq. Farsi is the Persian language. It is thus Indo-European and therefore much closer to Kurdish than to Arabic, which is spoken by well over 90% of non-Kurdish Iraqis.

You may have personally met most of the Farsi-speakers in Iraq, unless you have the country confused with Iran. (Them dang pesky concluding consonants!) The Iraqi Shia consider themselves Arabs and speak Arabic.

I am aware that the Arabic of the Koran is very different from that spoken today. The King James Bible is by comparison written in modern English.


29 posted on 03/21/2006 9:45:59 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Nathan Zachary

Here is more information than you ever wanted about the languages spoken in Iraq, complete with estimates of the number of speakers of each.

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IQ

Out of about 25M, there are about 227,000 Farsi speakers in Iraq. Farsi is the Persian language. It is thus Indo-European and therefore much closer to Kurdish than to Arabic, which is spoken by well over 90% of non-Kurdish Iraqis.

You may have personally met most of the Farsi-speakers in Iraq, unless you have the country confused with Iran. (Them dang pesky concluding consonants!) The Iraqi Shia consider themselves Arabs and speak Arabic.

I am aware that the Arabic of the Koran is very different from that spoken today. The King James Bible is by comparison written in modern English.


30 posted on 03/21/2006 9:46:10 AM PST by Restorer
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To: 17th Miss Regt
...religion [of Peace] tells you that it is okay to lie to infidels because they are infidels...

Edited for clarification.

This would mean that there's as much chance of finding a 100% Honest terrorist...
...as much as there's a chance of finding a 100% Sober Sen. Edward Kennedy.

31 posted on 03/21/2006 10:44:12 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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