Skip to comments.Feinstein Calls Illegals Good 'Citizens', Lou Lets Loose
Posted on 03/28/2006 5:20:43 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
by Mark Finkelstein
March 28, 2006
In all its cacophony and moments of absurdity, this morning's Today show segment on immigration was a supremely edifying example of the confusion, high emotion and complexity of the immigration debate. Matters reached their Alice-in-Wonderland apotheosis when Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California was shown in a Senate committee arguing that illegal immigrants are good . . . 'citizens.' Said Feinstein:
"They pay taxes, their children are Americans, they go to schools, they're good citizens and they're needed."
This was in line with the fait accompli argument advanced by La Raza representative Janet Murguia. She referred to what she estimated as the 11-12 million illegal aliens in the country as "people are working in backbreaking work that nobody else wants to do in this country. We need to . . . understand that they are already part of this country."
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Sorry, I don't agree. Don't know if you heard the clip but by her cadence it was clear, IMO, that everything she said was referring to the illegals. Do you really think she meant to say, for example, that the children are needed but not the parents?
Hmmm. BTW, did you know that Dr. Seuss was a big-time propaganda artist for AMERICA during World War II? Some of his cartoons might even be considered. . . racist. Check out his cartoon of Hitler and his idea of a forest, which showed Jews hanging from every tree.
It would be difficult, but not impossible. Ask the Brits. It was called the Opium War.
It would be difficult, but not impossible. Ask the Brits. It was called the Opium War.
Further to my earlier reply: I think Feinstein might have meant "good citizens" in talking about the illegals in the sense of being good, decent people, without thinking of what the implications were of calling them citizens.
FWIS, Rush just played the clip of Feinstein and he interpreted in precisely the same way I did.
"It would be difficult, but not impossible. Ask the Brits. It was called the Opium War."
I'd guess China is much better prepared to fight today than back then.
in a way - I hope this guest worker plan passes.
you will see the biggest surge towards americans joining unions - across service industries especially - in our history. maybe that just what these businesses need to get a dose of.
Somebody really ought to point out to them that if the Indians are the actual owners, the specific tribes that would have title aren't those from southern Mexico, they would be the Comanche, Apache, Navajo, Hopi, etc. who were actually living in this area.
Unfortunately, we pretty well exterminated the native Indians of CA during the Gold Rush days.
and that chinese furniture is such crap - I have now taken to buying unfinished wood furniture - and assembling it and finishing it myself. its the only way to get anything of decent quality.
The Power and the Glory -- Graham Greene
"We need to . . . understand that they are already part of this country."
Just like other criminals, they are part of this country.
Just like pedophiles, they are part of this country.
Just like al quaida, they are part of this country.
The politicians sure have dumped the labor vote.
Doing what Americans won't. That is the first temporary step. Once amnesty goes through, it will become an affirmative action issue. First you establish the underclass, then you exploit it.
Okay. I didn't hear the clip, only saw it in writing, so I'll defer to you.
Do you really think she meant to say, for example, that the children are needed but not the parents?
That's what I thought she literally said. It seemed an odd thing to say, but then I considered the source - she isn't known for being profound.
That's almost certainly what she meant, as she jammed her foot down her throat.
Arthur Szyk (also Jewish) was his superior in wartime propaganda
Anyone ever watch "America's Most Wanted"?
I'd guess maybe half the perps on that show are illegals. They never say so, of course, but the signs are there. They will mention if they are "believed to be a part of" the Mexican gangs, but they never broach the illegal part of that.
Just doing the gang-land killings, home invasions and car-jackings that americans won't. Flame away, I don't care.
I believe I smoked what she's now smoking, back in college.
And so are we. That's the point.
This is fantastic stuff.
Any idea who the "useful idiot gringo" in the middle is?
It may surprise you to know that they do possess those things and their countries are shitholes anyway.
They are not alone. I am a Republican who voted for Bush twice, and right now I absolutely hate him too!
'Once a week Hitler had my cartoons brought out and laid on his desk in front of him, and he finished always with an explosion. That he was extremely sore; his vanity was badly touched. So the Foreign Secretary asked me to modify my criticism, as I say, in order that a better chance could be had for making friendly relations. The Foreign Secretary explained to me that I was a factor that was going against peace.' 'Do I understand you to say that you would find it easier to promote peace if my cartoons did not irritate the Nazi leaders personally?' 'Yes,' he replied. '.I said, "Well, I'm sorry." Of course he was the Foreign Secretary what else could I say? So I said, "Very well, I don't want to be responsible for a world war. But, I said "It's my duty as a journalist to report matters faithfully and in my own medium I have to speak the truth. And I think this man is awful. But I'll slow down a bit." So I did.'
Probably for the first time, a senior member of the British Government had found it necessary to personally put a cartoonist under pressure in order to tone down his work. Low must have seen this as a backhanded compliment, for even though it had been an attempt to restrain him, he was now aware that his cartoons had really got to Hitler personally, and that the Nazis were going to considerable lengths to get him stopped. The result of the meeting with Halifax, according to Wardell, was that 'Low treated things a little more gently.' As far as Low was concerned:
And doesn't that statement show the perverted societal view that Feinstein has.
How can one be a good citizen when they have broken the law?
The mere definition of a good citizen is one who abides by the law.
So, does that mean that the Senators, who are supposed lawmakers are really, LAWBREAKERS? ...Yes...
*THAT*, my FRiend, is not a "future", at all...
Create new rules? How about enforcing the rules we already have! It's *already* illegal to hire people off the books, enforce it, for crying out loud!!
What FReeper was that???
they will. basically, a guest worker program is all about businesses who now cannot currently (openly) hire illegals directly - getting access to a new lower cost labor pool. how long will it take home depot to train someone to move lumber, stack boxes, etc? About an hour. Everyone tends to think that the guest worker program will look like the employment model we have today - these folks filling jobs as dishwashers, janitors and maids, construction trades, food service, etc. It won't, those US businesses hire illegals now - they want illegals, they don't want to pay taxes, they don't want guest workers.
who wants guest workers then? Walmart, Home Depot, McDonalds, etc. A wide range of US businesses will be more then happy to hire these folks - lowering their wage footprint. And many americans rely on exactly those kinds of service jobs for their own livlihoods - and those people will now have to compete with guest workers for those jobs.
Does that include MS-13?
"Imagine the future of America when we become a mixture of Canadian socialism and Mexican feudalism."
This sentence goes right to the heart of the matter. Most of us know very little about Mexico, the few wealthy families that control it, the elites' contempt of and indifference to the majority of Mexicans of indigenous indian descent, the absence of even the most basic of civil rights. La Raza's (The Race) motto is, "Everything for Latins. Nothing for the rest."
We know as little about Canada, which has never surrendered its colonial attitudes, nor made an effort to build a nation with a coherent political philosophy. Little is understood here of the influence of "The Manse," again, a near feudal institution - though not official. The wealth and political power of Canada's elites would stagger those who view Canadian socialism as all encompassing in Canada. Of course, socialism is always enforced from above, with the enforcers exempt from its strictures, but Canada presents a picture of an upper class so entrenched and essentially untaxed, that it exists almost ex parte.
Canada is hailed by the ignorant as a "pacifist" nation, superior to the barbarians below their border. Since, I think around 1952, the percentage of Canada's GNP appropriated for defense has been less than one percent. Canada nestles in the protective arm of the USA and bites us to the bone.
You are right. Socialism and feudalism. That is not just a glib epigram. It is our future.
""They pay taxes, their children are Americans, they go to schools, they're good citizens and they're needed."
This was in line with the fait accompli argument advanced by La Raza representative Janet Murguia . . .
The "Squeaky Hinge Syndrome" strikes again. La Raza stages huge protest in La La Land and both parties take detailed notes. Meanwhile, the silent majority just go quietly to work every day and drive home exhausted. Just like blind sheep being led to slaughter. The American Way of Life: Working longer and longer hours while the powers that be scheme behind closed doors. They plot to steal our money through taxes and steal our retirements through corporate bankruptcies. They export our jobs overseas and import more and more cheap junk from foreign nations. The sheeple gobble up more and more cheap junk, happy to save a few dollars. Then the people in power hire lobbyists to pass out millions to politicians in D.C. Money buys votes, money buys more power. The Demopublicans have sold our country down the drain.
The writing is on the walls like bright painted graffiti on Los Angeles barrio schools. "Viva La Raza! Viva Zapatistas!"
That's fine, I welcome them....IF they do it legally as my great grand parents did.
If I was a legal immigrant that just got my citizenship, I would be thoroughly pissed off that the illegals are getting a free pass while I worked my ass off and did all the right things to get my citizenship.
I'm sick of walking around a dead dog lying on the sidewalk next to food vendors on Wilshire near McArthur. The Miracle Mile!
I'm sick of alcoholic California senators - c'mon 12-step it Diane! rich boozehead
If they are such good "citizens" why are they bringing back tuberculosis in Los Angeles?
Diane Feinstein understands the "need" for cheap labor:
On Capitol Hill, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (DCalif.) has emerged as one of the staunchest proponents of closer U.S. relations with China, fighting for permanent most-favored-nation trading status for Beijing.
At the same time, far from the spotlight, Feinstein's husband. Richard C. Blum, has expanded his private business interests in China to the point that his firm is now a prominent investor inside the communist nation.
LA TIMES MARCH 28 1997
Feinstein is a member of the elite class, she's got hers, and we're just the "little people." I wonder if when she visits San Francisco, if the cops let her carry her pistol, for which she has a permit.
The current or old immigration law on the books...
Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
"Any person who ... encourage-, or induces an alien to ... reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such ... residence is ... in violation of law, shall be punished as provided ... for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs ... fined under title 18 ... imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both," Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S, or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.
Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens
It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States Without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form 1-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all 1-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the 1-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.
An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the 1-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.
Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an Illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.
IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding Illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It Is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.
Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Afiens
It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.
An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altedrig records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recidessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.
The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' Imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.
A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of emiployer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual aflegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.
State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrant less interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens, Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture, The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.
RICO -- Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the RacketeerInfluenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.
Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by falling to pay income or Sodall Security taxes for Illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.
6. Mexicans are a mixture of indian and Spanish or other non-indigenous people.
7. Indians came here from Asia.
How a descendent of Yucatan Mayas feels like he has a claim on California or Arizona is beyond my understanding. Care to explain it to me?
The list could go on quite a bit farther, I'm sure.
The one that gets me is the claim that the invasion that gave them the land is now inviolate and cannot be overridden by a later invasion.
Just about every group on earth got title to its land by invading and subjugating or dispossessing the previous inhabitants. The only significant difference is in how long ago this occurred.