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Feinstein Calls Illegals Good 'Citizens', Lou Lets Loose
Today Show/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 03/28/2006 5:20:43 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

March 28, 2006

In all its cacophony and moments of absurdity, this morning's Today show segment on immigration was a supremely edifying example of the confusion, high emotion and complexity of the immigration debate. Matters reached their Alice-in-Wonderland apotheosis when Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California was shown in a Senate committee arguing that illegal immigrants are good . . . 'citizens.' Said Feinstein:

"They pay taxes, their children are Americans, they go to schools, they're good citizens and they're needed."

This was in line with the fait accompli argument advanced by La Raza representative Janet Murguia. She referred to what she estimated as the 11-12 million illegal aliens in the country as "people are working in backbreaking work that nobody else wants to do in this country. We need to . . . understand that they are already part of this country."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; anarchy; borders; bordersecurity; campbellbrown; dobbs; feinstein; illegalaliens; immigration; laraza; loudobbs; mediabias; nbc; racism; todayshow
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To: maggief
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201 posted on 03/28/2006 2:10:29 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Restorer
The Indians of the Southwest were certainly no strangers to wars of conquest, before 1492.

The Aztlan fairy tale is the biggest joke of all, that somehow in the murky past, the founders of Mexico City had wandered south from part of the present USA, ["Aztlan" in idiot-speak], and therefore all Mexicans today have a claim on the Southwest....

Please, pass me the barf bag.

202 posted on 03/28/2006 2:11:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: VU4G10
If you want to help these idiots really shoot themselves in the foot, just get some Mexican flags and paint, "ILLEGAL? GO HOME!!" on them.

They are using their flag as an enemy flag of conquest, in OUR land. That makes it fair game. Burn it. Deface it. Drag it. Stomp it.

Do it when they will see it, and they will go even more loco, totally off the rails insane, in full view of America.

This is OUR country!

203 posted on 03/28/2006 2:14:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

It defies explanation.


204 posted on 03/28/2006 2:15:40 PM PST by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877óDeadwood)
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To: Maceman

Sometimes I'm speechless when I hear what people think they are entitled to .Some stupid ass Mexican "student" was on tV talking how HE is entitled to a free education and health care in the US. It's the old nanny state mentality.


205 posted on 03/28/2006 2:19:18 PM PST by aureliusk
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To: ShandaLear

"6. Mexicans are a mixture of indian and Spanish or other non-indigenous people.

7. Indians came here from Asia."


Thank you, thank you, thank you! ONE intelligent response to this whole thing!

My TRUE Mexican friends (from lower Mexico) just laugh at this bunch of fakes. My friends actually speak pretty good English (they worked very hard to learn it, but they did!) AND they also speak the true formal Spanish...not the Tex-Mex junk.

As far as American Indians are concerned, most of them are quite proud to use the term "Native Americans". I have no latino/spanish/mexican/indian blood, but I AM a Native American. Why the term 'aboriginal American' is a term they can't use is beyond me. If I walked around saying I'm a white, European/German/Scot/Irish/English/etc./tax-paying/female/blah/blah, do you suppose I'd get extra attention?



206 posted on 03/28/2006 2:22:09 PM PST by Maria S
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To: Restorer

Feinstein is a a miserable failure


207 posted on 03/28/2006 2:25:05 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: looscnnn
I'm sure there's others that have felt like a yo-yo the last 24 hrs with their moods switching from extreme anger to depression, but luckily I've never been one to stay down long.


The result of the actions of f-feinstein and the rest of the Senate committee is the beginning of the end of the Unites States of America unless some bright spark can convince them of something better. No matter how they try to spin it what they've done is granted Amnesty to all the illegals and spit in the faces of all natural born citizens and those who came here legally and worked through the legal channels to gain their citizenship.

What they've done is make the illegal problem worse, something I didn't think was possible as bad as it is here in So. California right now. They've given a free ticket to the millions already here illegally to come out into the open and take the better jobs now filled by legal citizens, and those so-called inferior jobs that 'Americans didn't want' (load of BS) will now be vacant for another load of illegals to use as an excuse to swarm across the border. If you believe f-feinstein, kennedy and clan that there's only 11 million illegals here and they're only doing the jobs 'Americans don't want', how is it $126 BILLION was sent out of the USA in 2004 to the Latino countries, $32 BILLION from California in money orders alone.

"They're good citizens" my A$$! Approx 6 years ago a 4,000 bed prison was built on the edge of our small town here in the desert. It
has already had one addition built doubling it's size, and is at present having a second addition added as it's overflowing again. The population of inmates is 95% Latino illegals........yep! "they're good citizens" f-feinstein. Where do the majority of stolen cars that are seldom recovered end up?.......... Answer: South of the border.

It's a never ending merry-go-round we don't have the power to stop while the brain damaged clan in Washington are in charge of the country.........we must push for TERM LIMITS.
208 posted on 03/28/2006 2:39:30 PM PST by AmeriBrit (A must see: http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/flash2.html)
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To: brownsfan
You are a racist, and your arguements are weak.

That'll require stitches!

209 posted on 03/28/2006 2:45:41 PM PST by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Rummyfan

210 posted on 03/28/2006 3:31:22 PM PST by LNewman
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"They pay taxes, their children are Americans, they go to schools, they're good citizens and they're needed."

Sounds like Presidential material! Blackbird.

211 posted on 03/28/2006 3:47:32 PM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: cripplecreek
I actually heard one of the idiots on Cavuto's show yesterday say "Why should an American citizen have any more right to a job than an illegal alien?"

Ummm, there are a few FReeper's that have said as much right here on open forum, particulary on the FRee Traitor threads. Blackbird.

212 posted on 03/28/2006 3:49:26 PM PST by BlackbirdSST (Diapers, like Politicians, need regular changing for the same reason!)
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To: cripplecreek

I heard Sen. Dianne Feinstein say that Mexicans clean our houses and watch our kids... Bull$#!T

Clean our houses? Maybe those rich liberal A$$#0LES need to create second class citizens to be their slaves. But they are playing a dangerous game. Creating a large group of second class citizens without the same rights as the rest of society is laying the foundation of our doom.

BUILD A FENCE, and enforce the law.


213 posted on 03/28/2006 3:58:55 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Lets see:

1. Democrats love stupid voters.

2. Mexicans are stupid voters.

3. Therefore, Democrats will say anything to win the vote of Mexican stupid voters.

That about cover it???

214 posted on 03/28/2006 4:06:10 PM PST by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: maggief

You're not only illegal, you're illiterate, genetically inferior, unwashed, slovenly, subordinate, mendacious, pathetic, and greasy! Excuse me, I meant you're Mexican!


215 posted on 03/28/2006 4:09:38 PM PST by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: blueberry12
The real enemy is not Mexico. It's the muslim religion. The Mexicans didn't cause 9/11. The muslims did it. You seem to have something mixed up. The Mexicans are simple hard-working people who just want to have a life.

One threat is the Muslims, and another threat is the Mexicans. We should be addressing both threats. Just because a Mexican illegal is not a terrorist does not mean that we should be welcoming him and millions of his countrymen into the US. Why is it that billions of people throughout the world can "have a life" in their own countries, but the Mexicans must have access to the US to survive?

216 posted on 03/28/2006 4:18:04 PM PST by Pa' fuera (I support family reunification.......through deportation)
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To: Republicus2001

Notice that she confers the title of "citizen" on these illegals?

Since when did she get that power?


217 posted on 03/28/2006 4:20:09 PM PST by bordergal (1)
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To: P-40
I don't think many would say Mexico is an enemy.

if you look at the actions and listen to the rhetoric of the Mexican government, you would realize that they are indeed our enemy

218 posted on 03/28/2006 4:22:04 PM PST by Pa' fuera (I support family reunification.......through deportation)
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To: blueberry12

Oh yeah? Look at the crime stats and the racial makeup in California prisons. They're not all "good people who come here to work".

Just ask the ten year old who was raped in a local park recently by two illegals.


219 posted on 03/28/2006 4:23:26 PM PST by bordergal (1)
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To: demkicker

"Stolen land"???

Someone needs to remind these numbskulls that the Mexicans stole it from the Spanish, who stole it from the Indians.

220 posted on 03/28/2006 4:24:56 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Annex Mexico, make the whole country part of the USA, legalize all their citizens here and there as a part of the New USA, and take their natural resources for our collective own.

Add new states -- not the existing 32, but what makes sense, such as giving Baja to California, maybe even split California at the same time, combine smaller Mexican states. Then increase the number of representatives in the House, increase the Electoral College (automatic based on number of States and Representatives), and watch the fun as politics realigns. We haven't added a new state since 1959. This might even make Puerty Rico want to choose sides once and for all.

The simplicity of this is that it eliminates the racist claim from Mexicans because all Mexicans everywhere will become citizens of the USA. Also, currently naturalized citizens like Schwarzenegger and Granholm, as well as the former Mexican citizens, can be given one-time waivers to now be eligible to run for President (such as the clause at the time of the ratification of the Constitution).

-PJ

221 posted on 03/28/2006 4:37:45 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Feinstein is getting senile. Or is she simply bought off?
222 posted on 03/28/2006 4:42:09 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3

For better or worse I don't think she knew what she was saying. She probably meant it in the way we say of someone "he's a solid citizen" meaning he's a good guy. But for her not to realize the implications of what she was saying in the context of the immigration debate reveals a serious tin ear.


224 posted on 03/28/2006 5:07:42 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: Lizavetta
"Stolen land"???

Someone needs to remind these numbskulls that the Mexicans stole it from the Spanish, who stole it from the Indians.

No kidding, but given the pussy footing cowardly actions of our state and US Congresses, our President and the media, I'm not very hopeful. This whole protest crap is spinning out of control. The US Congress should have stopped this flood of illegal immigrants from Mexico long, long ago and stopped their incentive of coming to our country with our ridiculous law that made an illegal's child born in the USA an automatic citizen. What insanity!

I watched the local news in Houston & it made me ill. Where in the hell are the grown ups? Has the term ILLEGAL turned into a meaningless sound bite? Sadly, I already know the answer and I'm thoroughly disgusted.

Right now, I'm probably the GOP's biggest nightmare. I want this insanity to stop and for my party to stop acting like political whores and get this situation under control!

225 posted on 03/28/2006 5:07:55 PM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: maggief

This one is enough for me.
226 posted on 03/28/2006 5:12:06 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: brownsfan; blueberry12; Admin Moderator
"What about black people? They sit on their porch all day smoking something."

Now THAT is a racist statement if ever there was one, and not surprisingly, by a pro-amnesty neo-apartheid advocate. How great it'll be for the globoGOP and old Rat party to have proven themselves to be exactly what the left has been claiming all these years. Unfortunately, it'll probably be the left that benefits from such a mistake.

227 posted on 03/28/2006 5:23:39 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: adam_az; robowombat

What adam_az said BUMP!


228 posted on 03/28/2006 5:27:04 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Pa' fuera
if you look at the actions and listen to the rhetoric of the Mexican government

I can't help but hear them...they don't believe in following treaties regarding broadcast power and nighttime settings. It is funny hearing Savage overlayed with Monterrey talk radio.
229 posted on 03/28/2006 5:35:41 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: WestCoastGal

Our country is circling the drain, is what is happening. You won't recognize it in 5 years if something doesn't change.


230 posted on 03/28/2006 5:51:44 PM PST by buckeye49
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Flood America with violent criminals and take guns from
their would be victims...

Now why would they want to do that...

To kept the peasants from the uprising that is sure to come...


imo


231 posted on 03/28/2006 6:21:29 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Recall DiFi .... scratch that .... ARREST DiFi!


232 posted on 03/28/2006 6:40:38 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
After all, what does a bank-robber do with the money he has stolen? That's correct--he spends it. That means he pays sales tax on the items he buys, and that money is ultimately used to build schools--for the children. Therefore, we should decriminalize bank robbery, along with extortion, kidnapping, and murder-for-hire. For the children.

Please! They're NOT bank robbers! They're "undocumented account holders, making withdrawls!" Careful, you might hurt someones' feelings. We certainly wouldn't want that.

Mark

233 posted on 03/28/2006 8:38:04 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"They pay taxes, their children are Americans, they go to schools, they're good citizens and they're needed."

She was reading from the White House talking points.

234 posted on 03/28/2006 8:40:02 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: cripplecreek
I actually heard one of the idiots on Cavuto's show yesterday say "Why should an American citizen have any more right to a job than an illegal alien?"

I've been telling people (anyone who would listen to me) for years that the reason that leftist WANT the "public school system" to fail, is in order to destroy education about what makes The United States of America special. If The USA isn't special, then why should being a citizen matter? And if citizenship doesn't matter, then neither do borders. Of course, try telling Vincente Fox that, if you're from Honduras or Guatemala. Then you'd have to deal with the Mexican army, making sure you can't get into Mexico, unless you're just passing through, on the way to the USA.

What I want to know is, if these people love Mexico so much, then why don't they want to stay there? More importantly, if they think that the USA is better, then why do they want to bring the living conditions from Mexico, here, when they're trying to get away from those living conditions?

Mark

235 posted on 03/28/2006 8:42:15 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What does she say about the Vietnamese who apply for a visa in their own country and have less than a 5% chance of being accepted because the US is too busy absorbing illegal mexicans. IS that diversity? Is that fair? Is that American?

http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html


236 posted on 03/28/2006 8:45:40 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: cripplecreek
Here in Michigan I've worked in a couple of factories where illegal aliens were working.

They're in meat packing plants too. If you look at the wages paid to employees, they drop as illegal aliens begin moving into the labor force.

If you want to slow illegal aliens coming into the US, you need to cut the demand, meaning getting brutal on businesses that hire illegals. First offense, $5,000 per illegal working. Second offense $50,000 per. Third offense, $500,000 per illegal. It will bankrupt some companies, but it would be worth it. And maybe putting the CEO or owners in jail wouldn't hurt either.

Mark

237 posted on 03/28/2006 8:47:39 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: rep-always
He said that 2/3 of the outstanding arrest warrants currently open in California are for illegal aliens. This just makes me sick.

They're just committing the crimes Americans won't do!

Mark

238 posted on 03/28/2006 8:49:38 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

And Bush bloviated while we were inundated.. ON PURPOSE..


239 posted on 03/28/2006 9:01:27 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Maria S

I am thinking anyone who has any sort of Mexican roots and was born in the USA should start demanding free services from Mexico. My great grandmother was born in Mexico. So, I want part of your house, Vincente Fox.


240 posted on 03/28/2006 9:11:22 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (I'm writing a post to a message board. I don't care if it's not grammatically perfect.)
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To: Tarpon

To the criminal enterprise democrap party a voter need not be a citizen, just a voter for democrap candidates ... and the party bosses at state and municipality level will make sure the 'votes' are counted as legit. You see, illegal aliens are right down the democrat party ally ... the party of lies and killing are fine so long as they serve the empowerment of democrats. [If you doubt it, count the number of 'sacrificed' unborn that empowers the democrat party and which killing they work so hard to continue and seek vigorously to defend as a 'good thing'.]


241 posted on 03/28/2006 9:25:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Travis McGee

Clearly, Travis, these invaders intend to make it THEIR land and toss the 'gringos' who will not bow to their demands. Why else would they/do they boldly display their Mexican flag when marching for 'U.S. inclusion'?


242 posted on 03/28/2006 9:28:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: demkicker
""That's when Dobbs got off perhaps his best line of the morning. "The National Council of La Raza is talking about race? La Raza - what does that mean? It means 'the race'!"

Which, if it follows the English usage, when used as a proper name, strongly implies superiority (as in The Football Team, The Luxury Car, The Pizza).

243 posted on 03/28/2006 9:40:17 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Bahbah
This is exactly what I kept hearing over and over yesterday. Illegal aliens are all the second coming of the Cleaver family. The bunch thay are occupying 30% of our jail cells must have gotten then by some terrible misunderstanding then, right?

Where there is the Cleaver family, can Eddie Haskel be far behind?

244 posted on 03/29/2006 1:24:33 AM PST by The Duke
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To: maggief; Travis McGee
>>Check out the flags those "citizens" are flying ...

Did you see the one from the thread StoneColdGOP posted? This'll P you right off:

Here's the thread.

245 posted on 03/29/2006 3:00:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: robowombat

"It's Not Xenophobia, It's Xenonausea"

You forgot emergency rooms. I took a neighbor down for stiches recently and it was like a day at the UN, english was not the first language. Then to have one of the aids tell us not to sit to close to the illegals in the corner as they might have TB. All this in Kansas.


246 posted on 03/29/2006 3:26:34 AM PST by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: MarkL

That is funny.


247 posted on 03/29/2006 5:20:24 AM PST by rep-always
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Actually conversation captured by local radio reporter in Dallas:

Female Protestor: "George Bush wants to get rid of all immigrants."
Reporter: "Actually, Bush is on your side."
Protestor: "That's not what everyone's telling me!"


248 posted on 03/29/2006 6:29:08 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: MHGinTN
We'll be in a civil war, thanks to the greed of the Quisling Rinos for dirt cheap illegal alien labor.


249 posted on 03/29/2006 9:21:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: FreedomPoster
Montebello High Scool, LA, March 27, 2006. That is the tall flagpole over the entire school.


250 posted on 03/29/2006 9:52:41 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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