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Palace Of Homer's Hero Rises Out Of Myths
The Times (UK) ^ | 3-28-2006 | John Carr

Posted on 03/28/2006 10:59:23 AM PST by blam

Palace of Homer's hero rises out of the myths

From John Carr in Athens

ARCHAEOLOGISTS claim to have unearthed the remains of the 3,500-year-old palace of Ajax, the warrior-king who according to Homer’s Iliad was one of the most revered fighters in the Trojan War.

Classicists hailed the discovery, made on a small Greek island, as evidence that the myths recounted by Homer in his epic poem were based on historical fact.

The ruins include a large palace, measuring about 750sq m (8,000sq ft), and believed to have been at least four storeys high with more than thirty rooms.

Yannos Lolos, the Greek archaeologist who made the discovery, said he was certain that he had come across the home of the Aiacid dynasty, a legendary line of kings mentioned in the Iliad and the Classical Greek tragedies. One of the kings, Ajax (or Aias), was described by Homer as a formidable fighter who, at one point in the Trojan campaign, held off the Trojans almost singlehandedly while his fellow Greek Achilles sulked in his tent because his slave-girl had been taken away from him.

The city of Troy is believed to have fallen about 1180BC — at about the same time, according to Mr Lolos, that the palace he has discovered was abandoned and left to crumble. Ajax, therefore, would have been the last king to have lived there before setting off on the ten-year Trojan expedition.

“This is one of the few cases in which a Mycenaean-era palace can be almost certainly attributed to a Homeric hero,” Mr Lolos said.

Fellow archaeologists said that they believed that the ruins were indeed those of a Mycenaean palace. Curtis Runnels, Professor of Archaeology at Boston University, said: “Mr Lolos has really delivered the goods.”

The Mycenaean ruins appear to be at the site where Homer records a fleet of ships setting out to take part in the war on Troy. The Iliad is believed to portray conditions at the close of the dominance of Mycenae, the prime Greek power of the second millennium BC.

The ruins have been excavated over the past five years at a site near the village of Kanakia on the island of Salamis, a few miles off the coast of Athens.

The palace was built in the style of those of the period, including the vast acropolis at Mycenae.

“The complex was found beneath a virgin tract of pine woods on two heights by the coast,” Mr Lolos said. “All the finds so far corroborate what we see in the Homeric epics.”

Homer compares Ajax to a wall and describes him carrying a shield made of seven layers of thick oxhide. Unlike other heroes, he fights without the aid of deities or the supernatural. According to Sophocles, who wrote 800 years after the Trojan War, Ajax committed suicide after the fall of Troy without seeing his homeland again.

Several relics of oriental and Cypriot origin were found at the site at Kanakia, such as bronze armour strips stamped with the emblem of Pharaoh Rameses II of Egypt, indicating trade or possible war in the 13th century BC.

Salamis became famous as the site of a sea battle in 480BC in which the Greek navies destroyed the invasion fleet of the Persian king Xerxes and put paid to the Persian threat.

The other main site where archaeologists claim to have discovered relics of places recounted in the Iliad is at the castle of Pylos in southeastern Greece, believed to be the home of King Nestor.

FACT OR FICTION?

King and warrior who appears in Homer’s Iliad, the story of the Trojan War, and in Sophocles’ tragedy Ajax

In the Iliad, he is so big that when King Priam of Troy sees him, he says: “Who is that great and goodly warrior whose head and broad shoulders tower above the rest?”

In Sophocles’ play, Ajax goes mad after losing the prize of Achilles’ armour and eventually kills himself


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KEYWORDS: ajax; catastrophism; cyprus; enkomi; euripides; godsgravesglyphs; hero; homers; kanakia; myths; out; palace; ramsesii; rises; salamis; trojanwar; troy

1 posted on 03/28/2006 10:59:25 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 03/28/2006 11:00:08 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
In Sophocles’ play, Ajax goes mad after losing the prize of Achilles’ armour and eventually kills himself

Don't let Oliver Stone get a hold of the play, next thing we'll know is that he was gay and then eventually married his horse.

3 posted on 03/28/2006 11:02:04 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: blam

Very, very cool.


4 posted on 03/28/2006 11:03:30 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: blam

Thank you! This is a terrific find, can't wait to see some pictures. :-)


5 posted on 03/28/2006 11:12:09 AM PST by SueRae
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Thanks Blam.

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6 posted on 03/28/2006 11:19:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: SueRae
Thank you! This is a terrific find, can't wait to see some pictures. :-)

You wish is my command:


7 posted on 03/28/2006 11:20:14 AM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, son of Jor-el!)
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To: lovecraft

Don't let Oliver Stone get a hold of the play
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LOL. We won't be hearing too much from him hopefully after the critical debacle and financial hit he took on his latest travesty regarding another Greek cultural icon...Alexander.


8 posted on 03/28/2006 11:25:54 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: blam
This guy....


9 posted on 03/28/2006 11:27:18 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: blam
How could it be a virgin tract of pine woods if the palace was found lower down?

The Ajax from Salamis is Telamonian Ajax (Aias), meaning the son of Telamon. There was another Ajax in the Trojan War, from Locris, known as the Lesser Ajax, who was not a nice guy.

10 posted on 03/28/2006 11:30:49 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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11 posted on 03/28/2006 11:32:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: blam
"The ruins include a large palace, measuring about 750sq m (8,000sq ft), and believed to have been at least four storeys high with more than thirty rooms. "

Something that I aways find striking about rich and powerful historic figures is their level of wealth compared to today. Three and a half centuries ago owning an 8000 sq ft home meant you were one of the most powerful men on earth. Today someone with a net worth of a billion dollars is not even rich enough to get on the Forbes 400 but could easily afford to build a 50,000 or 60,000 sq ft home.
12 posted on 03/28/2006 11:42:17 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
Something that I aways find striking about rich and powerful historic figures is their level of wealth compared to today. Three and a half centuries ago owning an 8000 sq ft home meant you were one of the most powerful men on earth. Today someone with a net worth of a billion dollars is not even rich enough to get on the Forbes 400 but could easily afford to build a 50,000 or 60,000 sq ft home.

If we had to construct in hand chiseled stone, Bill Gates would be living in <10k sq ft, I'd bet.

13 posted on 03/28/2006 11:48:40 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Poison Pill
"Three and a half centuries"

Oops... make that millennia
14 posted on 03/28/2006 11:49:38 AM PST by Poison Pill
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15 posted on 03/28/2006 11:49:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: blam

There is no doubt in my mind that the Homeric epics are based on fact. Thanks for this post--great stuff.


16 posted on 03/28/2006 11:56:58 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: The_Victor

I'd take that bet. The rich are richer today anyway you slice it. I don't know how much carved stone Gate's $50 billion would get him but the Queen of England has a pretty big stone house. Don't know the specs but Buckingham Palace is a whole lot bigger than 8000 sq ft.


17 posted on 03/28/2006 2:16:42 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: lovecraft
Don't let Oliver Stone get a hold of the play, next thing we'll know is that he was gay and then eventually married his horse.

Sounds kind of Homerphobic to me

18 posted on 03/28/2006 2:40:51 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Colorado Doug
I am a proud homophobe. I just couldn't resist the pun ;-)
19 posted on 03/28/2006 2:42:53 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Poison Pill
Something that I aways find striking about rich and powerful historic figures is their level of wealth compared to today. Three and a half centuries ago owning an 8000 sq ft home meant you were one of the most powerful men on earth. Today someone with a net worth of a billion dollars is not even rich enough to get on the Forbes 400 but could easily afford to build a 50,000 or 60,000 sq ft home.

I enjoy comparing modern life to the times of old too. The greatest wealth could not buy the most basic of conditions that we now take for granted. Fresh fruit and vegetables from all over the world, year around. Lights, heat and air conditioning. Finely woven sheets, better than owned by kings are available at the local discount store. Transportation that would turn any royalty green with envy. Who of us could take the deprivation of living like a king in the days of the Iliad?

20 posted on 03/28/2006 2:59:37 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


21 posted on 03/28/2006 5:44:53 PM PST by kalee
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To: blam
Bird's eye view of Troy today.
22 posted on 03/28/2006 8:40:27 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: SunkenCiv
he dissertation by Herman L. Hoeh makes for some interesting reading concerning Homer, the Trojan war and the Hittites, particularly concerning their relationship to the Armenians. Too bad the second volume isn't available on line.
23 posted on 03/29/2006 3:42:59 AM PST by Tulsa Brian (This is the Zodiac speaking...)
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To: Poison Pill
Something that I aways find striking about rich and powerful historic figures is their level of wealth compared to today.

Considering most of the peasantry lived in small hovels with the entire family in basically one room you are correct. Wealth is a comparative adjective.
I took the article to mean the footprint of the palace was about 8,000 square feet – about 90’ on a side. At four stories it would have been around 32,000 square feet of floor space. It’s still not in the modern mansion category – but sizable.
24 posted on 03/29/2006 3:57:45 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Tulsa Brian

Yes, that the Trojans were a Hittite outpost and that the Hittites were the ancestors of the Armenians. Note that the Hittite language WAS an Indo-European language.


25 posted on 03/29/2006 4:12:44 AM PST by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic: Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: Tulsa Brian

Herman L. Hoeh?


26 posted on 03/29/2006 9:46:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: Tulsa Brian
Oh.
Google

27 posted on 03/29/2006 9:47:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: SunkenCiv

AP whack at it.. :(')

Archaeologist Links Ancient Palace, Ajax ^
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28 posted on 03/29/2006 10:24:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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29 posted on 03/30/2006 6:08:59 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ckilmer; Eastbound; ...
King Ajax's Palace and Ramses II
AP - Wed Mar 29, 10:48 AM ET
Hieroglyphs spelling the name of Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses II appear at the bottom of a bronze piece from an ancient mail shirt, in this undated handout picture provided by archaeologist Yiannis Lolos . The find came from a 3,200-year-old palace on the island of Salamis, near Athens, Greece, which belonged to the mythical King Ajax, Lolos said on Wednesday, March 29, 2006. The hilltop site overlooks a small natural harbor. (AP Photo)
AP - Wed Mar 29, 10:48 AM ET

30 posted on 03/31/2006 9:29:39 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hieroglyphs spelling the name of Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses II appear at the bottom of a bronze piece from an ancient mail shirt

What with that?

31 posted on 03/31/2006 10:49:58 AM PST by marron
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To: marron

A synchronism.


32 posted on 03/31/2006 11:42:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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33 posted on 03/31/2006 3:56:21 PM PST by Eastbound
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A bttt for a topic of March 2006.

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34 posted on 05/27/2007 9:35:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 26, 2007.)
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35 posted on 06/23/2008 11:12:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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http://terraeantiqvae.blogia.com/upload/20060330122005-palacioayaxramsesii.jpg


36 posted on 07/29/2010 4:18:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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37 posted on 07/30/2010 3:38:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Based on the similar topic info, this is one of *those* topics:


38 posted on 03/01/2013 6:58:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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39 posted on 01/12/2014 4:32:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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Ramses II on armor

40 posted on 01/12/2014 4:36:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Colorado Doug

Who of us could take the deprivation of living like a king in the days of the Iliad?

Well, it sure would beat living like a commoner...


41 posted on 01/12/2014 4:52:44 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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