So Cal Walkout Pics (Dubya's Future GOP)

Los Angeles Newspaper Group newspapers ^ | 3-28-06 | Myself

[StoneColdGOP]

Joseph Sanchez, Long Beach resident brought out his son, Joseph Sanchez Jr., 4, to protest the HR3447 bill. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

A protester holds up a sign that reads "Revolution is the solution" in spanish. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

School officials keep an eye on marching students as hundreds showed up to Montebello High School and urged those students to leave the school and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. The Mexican flag was raised at the school by the protesting students, shown in the background. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

Students protesting wave the Mexican flag as the crowd gathers at Cesar Chavez Park in Long Beach. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upsidedown at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)

Students from Marshall High School, Blair High, and Pasadena High School and Muir High School walked to the Pasadena Unified School District Headquarters in protest to denounce a federal legislative proposal that would criminalize illegal immigration and require building a 700-mile wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Students holding the flag of Mexico, after the flag of Mexico was put on the flagpole, replacing the American flag and California Republic flag. Pasadena police chief Bernard Melekian with Pasadena police officer Mike Korpal place the flag of California Republic and the American flag to the flagpole at its proper height at Pasadena Unified School District headquarters. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Area high school students raise the Mexican flag at the Montebello High School flag pole as they marched to the school to urge those students to also walk and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

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[armchairadmiral]

Cinco De Mayo is probably celebrated by as many non Mexicans in the U.S. as Mexican illegals. It's an excuse to drink and party just as is St. Patrick's Day. As for allowing this fiasco to continue and saying we can do nothing but grin and bear it I say bull! If we seriously apply all the options at our disposal such as reporting illegals and those who employ them, boycotting those business's that are run by or employ illegals and letting the public know who they are. Working to cut off access to entitlement programs which are being sucked dry by these vampires and insisting on payment up front when they use our emergency rooms for anything other than true emergencies. They should also be required to pay for real emergency service just as American citizens are (I know- good luck collecting). If we do these things, the lure of coming here illegally and the reasons to stay will cease to exist for the most part. The need to transport 10 or 11 million people out of the country all at once is a fallacy, take away health care, welfare and jobs and a good many illegals will leave on their own. This problem was not created overnight and it will not be solved that way either but it will not be solved at all if we just continue to only rely on lawmakers who sit back, make excuses and do nothing and try to convince us it's for our own good. By doing the things we can and going after the politicians HARD we can beat this problem.

[kingu]

It gains nothing, but allowing the workers to become citizens and bring in their families will solve that problem...

Allowing? Is there anything that prevents someone from applying to become a citizen, aside from their present illegal actions? Nearly a million immigrants a year become US citizens. Out of the six million who were eligible for Reagan's amnesty, less than half took advantage of it. More than half of them, for less than the cost of a monthly car payment, or three months of insurance, or a quarter of the average mortgage, couldn't be bothered to apply for citizenship.

Does that not explicitly demonstrate that there is a huge population here, of no less than three million, who have lived here since Reagan gave them amnesty, who have zero interest in becoming citizens?

Your solution has been proved to be ineffective in converting even a majority to seek citizenship. What will we get out of this round? A forty percent conversion rate? While millions around the world who want to come here legally and become citizens are denied because our system is choked processing applications from those who are only in the system from a criminal act of their own making?

The only net gain I see here is from government employment - we'd have to hire the equivalent of a the workers hired for the census simply to process the applications and perform even the most basic background checks.

As for taxes we do have a war on our hands.

Fine, excuse 140 billion of the federal budget for each of the last five years. That total is 700 billion. Over the last four years, the national debt has increased by 1.4 trillion dollars, double the amount for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and completely discounting any debt from 2001 and 2002, as one could make the argument that economic changes during those years to compensate for the end of the dot com boom and the terrorist attacks accounts for any deficit for those years.

We're 700 billion in the hole with all this grand infusion of low cost workers, the equivalent of waging another pair of wars of the scale of those in Iraq and Afghanistan. Educating the children of illegals, themselves mostly legal citizens by virtue of their parents illegal actions, meanwhile, has cost 243 billion over the past five years just for primary education. To offer one in a hundred of them the opportunity to go to college will require the building of twelve new universities, 48 state colleges, and a 162 community colleges. But gosh, cleaning tables in restaurants is sure cheaper.

[kstewskis]

We need the pictures of the burning flags. We won't have long to wait. I sent "Mexico over upside down America" to Drudge. Why isn't it on top of his site?

Good job. Hopefully, we won't have long to wait for Drudge to post it either.

How about Michelle Malkin? Does she have it up yet? Anyone want to send it to her?

[Rebelbase]

Yeah, right. You live in fantasy.

[TigersEye]

If it's anything I love it's them working at MY trade for $8 an hour.

I hear that. I was priced out of my trade (carpentry) in this CO mountain town about eight years ago. Most of the people in the trades that I've known over the years have left. Not many working class jobs left for Americans here.

[UNflagburner]

You're kidding, right? You're saying that we'd purposely let that many uneducated people into the country?

I'm saying we should. By the way, immigration rates per capita were much higher in the early 1900's. And if you want educated people, then how do you feel about handing out more H1-B visas.

[Mojave]

It's based on supply and demand.

Say the number.

[exhaustedmomma]

my point that a poor person is more likely to turn to crime.

The rich & powerful buy their way out... ie... Ted Kennedy, Clinton's. But, maybe you distinguish between blue & white collar crime.

[Rick Deckard]

From Sen. Ted "Fat Boy" Kennedy:

"Under the proposed bill (The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965)," explained Senator Edward Kennedy, "the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. Secondly, the ethnic mix will not be upset. Contrary to charges in some quarters, it will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area." The senator suggested that, at most, 62,000 people a year might immigrate.

62,000 X 20 years (since the '86 amnesty) = 1,240,000.

You do the math.

[EverOnward]

Crap is my president, the one I voted for twice, allowing my country to be taken over by illegals who thumb their nose at our laws. That's crap.

[JustPiper]

Hey buddy any idea where this photo came from, please ping me if you find out, it's important

[kstewskis]

see post #444 from La Enchiladita

It will give you the background of that photo.

[Will_Zurmacht]

to get through undergrad I worked third shift at Excel Beef in Dodge City, KS. That's when I first encountered the Illegal question...

Our town's story goes like this..

In the 1980's starting wages at our plant were around 12-15.00 an hour.
This was in 1980's money!
It was hard, nasty work but many worked there and provided for their families.
Excel was then staffed by Americans, either Mexican Americans who had lived in Dodge since the railroad came in 1900, or Anglo-Americans.
About Half Mex-Americans, Half Caucasion, with a few Vietnamese.

By the mid-90's when I was there, starting wages had dropped to around 10.00 and hour, and many of the Mexican-Americans had been squeezed out by New "Mexicans from Texas" (wink wink)
Many Anglos at the plant were also squeezed out to Illegals, and the few Anglos and Mex-Americans that remained were in the skilled jobs, supervisors or in office work.

By the late 90's wages were down to around 7.00/ hour and the Old Mexican Americans of Dodge City, the folks who had been part of our community since the turn of the century, were completely gone from the plant they helped build.
In their place were Illegals working for half the wages, now a mix of Illegal Mexicans, Guatamelans, Salvadorans, etc. The Vietnamese packed up and left Dodge due to rising crime and violence.
The Anglos were now only working in a few office jobs, and a few skilled jobs (Electricians, Safety inspect, etc.)But even these skilled trades were being taken over by the Illegals who had come during the early 90's. They would do the same job for half the pay.

So today Dodge has 3 meat packing plants, each employing several thousand workers. In a town of 30,000, at least 6,000 are employed by the Corporate Beef Industry.
A reasonable estimate is that over half of these workers are illegal. And that's being conservative...I'd put it closer to 80%.

During the 1990's, to accomodate our new friends, Dodge built four (yes FOUR) new schools, two new jails, raised property taxes double digits every year, and the city now looks like Juarez on a bad Friday night. Spanish is the main language of our school system, my niece is in fourth grade and only reads Spanish, because that's what she has been taught in. She and one other little girl are the only native English speakers in her class. (I wish to hell I was making this up!)

People who can, simply get The Hell Out of Dodge and never look back.

This story has been repeated in Garden City, Liberal, and all over Kansas.

It's a damn shame....

[King Prout]

not only is the Mexican flag above ours, but ours is inverted.

[Travis McGee]

[King Prout]

ooo. fingers in every pot, have they not?

[dagnabbit]

... allowing the workers to become citizens and bring in their families will solve that problem...*time for me to put on an extra pair of flame retarding underwear*

Quadrupling the size of a problem generally isn't a great way to solve it. (But at least you recognize your statement for the nonsense that it is).

[kstewskis]

not only is the Mexican flag above ours, but ours is inverted.

Clearly in the fifth photo from the top at the beginning of this thread.

Is there a Vets(and active miliary) of FR ping list?

They all should see this.

[King Prout]

BLOAT is rapidly mutating into BLOAT

[La Enchiladita]

Go after them hard every day.

Our representatives need to hear from us every day.

Your congressional Representative should have a district office near you.

Visit their office.

[Will_Zurmacht]

The flags are from Whittier High School in Cali...

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/

I think the arab-Mexican Alliance marchers might be from another protest, but I'm not sure

[King Prout]

Is there a Vets(and active miliary) of FR ping list? They all should see this.

pingout. please let all active abd reserve servicemen and veterans know of this thread.

[kstewskis]

Looks like the Whittier kids hoisted the flag at Montebello High.

Those little sh*ts!

[Will_Zurmacht]

The pic that really burns my @ss is the lonely cop trying to restore our flag while these punks hold up the Mexican flags and taunt him...

That's one job that I would quickly get fired from....hehe

[King Prout]

many of you have already seen this, and you have my apologies if my ping annoys you.

however, this massive insurrection in support of invasion needs to be known by all.

[UNflagburner]

Out of the six million who were eligible for Reagan's amnesty, less than half took advantage of it.

I suspect the factor there is simple fear on their part that the program is a trick to get them deported.

And are you kidding me here? Your objection is that they don't want to be citizens? If you're right then a simple solution is a guest worker as a form of earned citizenship. That is, only those planning to become citizens need to apply. Although you couldn't be more wrong on this one.

Fine, excuse 140 billion of the federal budget for each of the last five years.

You're ignoring the exploding entitlements.

Educating the children of illegals...

Wait, so according to you we don't need to provide opportunities for next generation of workers. Just keep em poor or deport? Who's going to pay the Medicare bills and Social Security checks 20 years down the road then?

[Junior_G]

Say the number.

UNflagburner obviously wants no restrictions whatsoever on immigration from Mexico. Good stuff from the anti-borders crowd these days.

[King Prout]

I wonder... is burning the mexican flag "hate speech" yet?

[tuliptree76]

That's okay, KP. Ping away!

[UNflagburner]

Immigrants wanting to work here are not a problem for America. And what I recognize is that some of you think that they are.

[Mojave]

They want a borderless brave new world.

[UNflagburner]

I've made my position clear. To repeat: Bring in the number that the country needs and do it legally.

[Will_Zurmacht]

They don't just raise the Mexican flag, oh no...
To simply hoist their own banner would be wrong, but could be passed off as an expression of mis-guided heritage worship.

But they have to make sure the include our flag upside down, and beneath the Mexican flag, just to get the message out plain enough for all to understand....

They are coming through loud and clear...
"We hate America, We hate you, and we really don't give a damn about what you dumb Yankees think.....
Oh, but keep sending your taxes to provide us with an education and free lunches, Gracias"

[Mojave]

Immigrants wanting to work here are not a problem for America.

American brings in about a million real immigrants a year. Equating illegals with immigrants is a very tired ploy.

[Mojave]

Bring in the number that the country needs

Say the number.

[Junior_G]

I've made my position clear. To repeat: Bring in the number that the country needs and do it legally.

The number that the country needs? That number is zero. I think what you mean is bring in the number that business interests desire for cheap labor; and that number, as you know, is limitless.

[exhaustedmomma]

about that banner, about that ACCESS group 2,167 posted on 03/28/2006 8:23:39 PM PST by Velveeta ("Press #1 for English"), link: Democratic Delegate Has Terror Ties

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[UNflagburner]

Illegal or not the're still immigrants. Do you disagree?
And as I've said 20 on this thread I want it done legally.

[King Prout]

If a man wishes to come to my land to be my countryman, according to the rules and values of my land, he is IMO welcome.

HOWEVER...

those who come to my land with no intent to be my countrymen, who pollute my land with their barbarism, who demand my people adapt to them... These are not welcome, and they ARE a problem.

[wardaddy]

They will still vote Dem regardless.

They have a history of doing nothing but that as a rule.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Bump.

[Junior_G]

And as I've said 20 on this thread I want it done legally.

Yes, because you want no immigration from Mexico to be considered illegal. Under your plan, even the guys scaling the fences would be legal.

[UNflagburner]

The number that the country needs? That number is zero.

I beleive that America is the land of opportunity and that immigrants are needed even more so now with the small birthrates. I guess we have a disagreement.

[UNflagburner]

Yes, because you want no immigration from Mexico to be considered illegal. Under your plan, even the guys scaling the fences would be legal.

Sorry, your telepathic skills leave much to be desired.

[Junior_G]

I beleive that America is the land of opportunity and that immigrants are needed even more so now with the small birthrates.

You would have a point if these immigrants were willing to become Americans and assimilate. But the are not willing to do that. They consider themselves Mexicans first, and proudly wave the flag of their homeland.

So getting back to your point...when American birthrates are declining, hordes of anti-American Mexicans are the last thing this country needs.

You cannot take the stance you are taking without being anti-American to the core. What's your story?

[JustPiper]

we're looking for info on the pic where ACCESS sponsored a sign

[JustPiper]

The Canteen is the place

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles.

Can you believe this was once the hometown of Richard Nixon?

Now it's part of Mexifornia.

I'm glad he didn't live to see this shameful day.

[JustPiper]

We're trying to make a link at TM, and emailing the 'good' media like crazy on this pic:

ACCESS is as bad as CAIR

[kingu]

I suspect the factor there is simple fear on their part that the program is a trick to get them deported.

So let me see if I get this straight. We try the same thing all over again and expect there to be a different result? Isn't that the definition of stupidity? Expecting a new result when all the parameters are the same? We offer amnesty this go around and guest worker cards and this will reduce illegal immigration?

Oooh, look, we can again excuse the majority who don't participate because they're afraid this is a trick to deport them. Whee. Nothing has changed, yet again, aside from yet another wave of illegals followed by another wave followed by another wave, plus a resident alien population who thinks that it's about time we recognize that this should be Mexico...

So rather than play this game all over again, put in and enforce laws that punish employers who hire illegals. Seize companies and businesses run and operated by illegals. Put in targeted enforcement of sales tax laws especially where they have traditionally been ignored. End all state support of illegals. And then deport those too stubborn to do it themselves.