Posted on 03/29/2006 5:00:00 AM PST by SJackson
I agree. I don't anyone to get hurt, but at the same time, I think what's gone on this week already has added to the ranks on the side of enforcement.
You know, I don't have any opinion on this anymore. Looks like we might be in for a further experiment in racist-fueled socializm. And there doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it. Sometimes History comes at you as an irresistable force.
It's like the lines are being drawn. The media and politicians are still trying to blur them, and muddy the waters, but the lines are being drawn. It's going to be them or us.
We don't want Mexico. We already have enough of their problems.
how exactly are employers supposed to tell if documents
are valid? they are not the police. Its all very well
to be in favor of sanctions but the employers have no
way to police this. A SS card can be faked. We need a
national ID card.
Let's not forget that ACCESS is just another front group like the ISlamic Institute that Grover Norquist runs. Grover Norquist, lifelong pal of Karl Rove and #1 advisor to the president on immgration and "Islamic affairs".
And he's been at it a LONG time.
http://www.cis.org/articles/Katz/katz1998.html
(Part III of Series)
Illegal-immigration bill weakened by unlikely alliance
By Marcus Stern
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
04-Nov-1997
WASHINGTON - After years of bitter losses, Sen. Alan K. Simpson thought the political tides finally favored his quest to create a way to keep illegal immigrants from getting jobs.
The issue had emerged as a hot-button during the 1996 campaign. This time, he would surely defeat the powerful and savvy pro-immigration lobby.
"As I look out on this sea of faces, there are some who have been cutting my bicycle tire for 17 years," the now-retired Wyoming Republican said last year as the Judiciary Committee prepared to debate his proposals. "They're sitting back there, hollow-eyed, twitching like dogs eating peach seeds and wondering if they can do it again. ... Well, I think that game is over."
Simpson was wrong.
Once again, he had sorely underestimated the tenacity and cleverness of special-interest groups determined to preserve the flow of undocumented workers into the United States.
Yes, Congress eventually passed a new immigration law. But it was so weak it would do little to hasten the creation of a system to help employers quickly and reliably verify that the people working for them are in fact eligible to hold jobs in the United States. Such a system is a key to curbing illegal immigration, according to many experts.
The "twitching dogs" who dragged down Simpson's initiative last year are Capitol heavyweights whose coalition on immigration falls into the unlikely bedfellows category. Among them: the National Federation of Independent Business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (Norquist advises), the National Rifle Association (Norquist on board of Dir), the Catholic church, the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Bar Association and even some labor unions.
Special-interest clout
The clout displayed last year when the immigration lobby defeated Simpson's plan is a textbook demonstration of how special interests have long dominated immigration policy in Washington.
Simpson wasn't asking for anything remotely like a national ID card or national database of workers. He merely wanted the Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to authorize pilot projects to test methods for verifying employment eligibility.
One pilot would have required participating employers to check their new employees' Social Security numbers. Because it would apply to all of their new workers, discrimination against "foreign-looking" job applicants would have been minimized.
But the anti-verification coalition painted the proposal as a sinister plot. It portrayed it as a retina-scan ID card, police-state power, the second coming of the Holocaust and even the fulfillment of a dark prophecy in the Bible's Book of Revelation that people would be stamped with the "mark of the beast."
At one meeting of the Judiciary Committee, an irritated and clearly frustrated Simpson indignantly waved a make-believe tattoo that looked like a grocery store bar code. He called it a ploy to kill his verification proposal. He was right.
Grover Norquist, a social conservative and anti-tax Republican lobbyist, reveled unapologetically in the tactics he used to undermine the verification initiative and to mock Simpson personally.
The peel-off bar-code tattoos were supposed to remind people of the way Nazis tattooed Jews during World War II.
"It was great," recalled Norquist, who is close to House Speaker Newt Gingrich. "We had our guys walking around with tattoos on their arms. It drove Simpson nuts because the implication was he's a Nazi."
The truth, however, is that both the House and the Senate bills specifically barred the implementation of any kind of national ID card. Politicians view such a card as a political kiss of death; nobody expects Congress to seriously consider one.
Toward the end of the debate, Simpson decried the pranks and slurs.
"We have dealt with tattoos and Adolf Hitler," he said. "It is the most offensive thing that I have ever heard. It's disgusting and I'm sick of it."
'Mark of the beast'
Although voters tend to see Republicans as tougher than Democrats on illegal immigration, the weakening of the verification provisions was largely the handiwork of conservative Republicans and their behind-the-scenes strategists like Norquist.
Their success underscores how tough it is for Congress to do the one thing experts have said for decades is central to curbing illegal immigration: Establish a reliable, non-discriminatory employment verification system.
Norquist has strong ties to the business community. Mainstream firms like Microsoft paid him to lobby against other provisions of the bill, such as tighter restrictions on the immigration of computer programmers.
But his forte is mobilizing support among social or moral conservatives, including gun owners, the religious right, home-schooling adherents and others he described as "anti-welfare and anti-police state."
"A government powerful enough to find an illegal immigrant is also powerful enough to find your bank accounts," he said.
Conveniently, he ignores the fact that the government long has been able to find bank accounts with ease while it still can't reliably identify undocumented workers.
"Nobody really minds people sneaking across the border and working at 7-Eleven," he added.
At one point during the debate, congressional offices received calls from fundamentalist ministers around the country asking about rumors that the verification provision would fulfill a prophecy in the Book of Revelation. Was it true, they asked congressional staffers, that people would be stamped with the "mark of the beast" under the new law?
"Six-six-six," Norquist explained matter-of-factly during an interview. "That's always been one of the arguments against the ID card. There's something in Revelations about numbering people. The 'beast' could be a big computer."
The National Rifle Association was told the bill would lead to a federal computer registry that the government could use to hunt down its members and seize their guns.
"Gun owners quite correctly understand that it would take Bill Clinton all of two weeks to add the question, 'Got any guns? Could we have a list of them? Where do you keep them?' " said Norquist.
Verification opponents also circulated mock national identification cards bearing Simpson's likeness. On the back of the cards was a retina scan diagram suggesting that the legislation called for everyone to carry such a card.
"That was a good one," Norquist chuckled.
Anti-verification coalition
Conservatives didn't fight verification alone last year. They were part of a coalition of strange bedfellows involved in civil rights, ethnic and religious advocacy, anti-government politics and free-market ideology. They were also bolstered by powerful business groups.
The coalition was a juggernaut that fought virtually any verification initiative. Because Republicans control Congress, conservative lobbyists were especially influential. The fact that some limited, voluntary verification projects stayed in the bill at all outraged some conservatives.
"I view it as the camel's nose under the tent for a national ID card," said Stephen Moore, an economist with the Cato Institute who lobbied against the bill. "The theme we played to Republicans was that if you're trying to roll back big government, you shouldn't be instituting this new police-state power."
Social conservatives like Norquist and libertarians like Moore don't see illegal immigration as a major problem.(snip)
I would like to point out that any Catholic clergy supporting illegal immigration are doing so against the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Very interesting...
Its a fact. Jeff Sessions was on fox news yesterday explaining the whole stinking RAT plan to blame everything on Republicans.
That's why I call them the DemonicRats........
Especially the Dallas Morning News. They absolutely love illegal aliens and for the last three days have given the front page to these criminals.
As for their editorial page, it's the usual pro-invasion garbage.
In today's edition, they were kind enough to print, in English, an excerpted editorial from their Spanish language daily Al Dia.
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"Americans want the cheap labor – people who work for lower wages, longer hours and endure working conditions that many American workers refuse to accept. Ask yourself how many Americans line up for farm labor, roofing in the scorching Texas sun or digging trenches at construction sites that cost lives every year."
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I, also, remember some good posters that we had on FR that I miss regarding illegal aliens. Most of these posters had first hand experience regarding illegal aliens that they shared with us. Yes, they lost their tempers because they could see the trees in the forest. Now, when it is practically too late, look at all the posters on illegals on FR. Unreal!!! Yes, I am going to say it out loud. I miss Fitz, Joehadenuf, jackelopebreeder,Missouri and others. I, also miss happy2bme and others that I can't think of right now.
Yeah, Bush will be in Mexico getting his orders from V. Fox and the rest of the new world global groupies.
What we have done is split conservatives. The republican party has been split for years into conservative republicans and Rockefeller republicans. We are our own worst enemies.
Good post. That truck has turned out to be a real 'keeper'!
I remember some of their comments. Back then the mods had hair trigger tempers (more then than now) whereas now they mainly just delete posts rather than ban outright (well, most of the time anyway). You should have seen JimRob and Travis go at it in some of the immigration threads last year regarding the subject of "vigilantism". And both are from CA!
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