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‘Healthy skepticism’ bill appears to be ailing [Intelligent Design in Missouri]
Kansas City Star ^
| 02 April 2006
| KIT WAGAR and TIM HOOVER
Posted on 04/02/2006 9:35:52 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: ml1954
This bill sounds like it's been written from the YEC playbook. In case you're wondering how a high school teacher is supposed to know "Information that appears to be verified empirical data, but is not," I think what they have in mind is the application of the Ken Ham "Were you there?" test.
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posted on
04/02/2006 11:52:47 AM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
To: Just mythoughts
"Really, the theory of evolution modeled upon the survival of the fittest, requiring the intervention of government programs has been the model followed by the public school system for decades."
What government programs?
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posted on
04/02/2006 11:54:10 AM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("Things are not what they always seem.")
To: PatrickHenry
I think what they have in mind is the application of the Ken Ham "Were you there?" test.
Sounds like it. The part about things 'that occurred previous to written history' sure sounds like a "Were you there?" test to me.
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posted on
04/02/2006 11:56:41 AM PDT
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
To: ml1954
"When information other than verified empirical data is taught representing current scientific thought such as theory or hypothesis regarding phenomena that occur in the future or that occurred previous to written history, a critical analysis of such information shall be taught in a substantive amount."
This sentence, while seemingly impervious to English translation, seems to be repeating the same old canard about evolution being *just a theory* and therefore not like all the rest of science, which is *verified*.
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posted on
04/02/2006 11:58:06 AM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("Things are not what they always seem.")
To: CarolinaGuitarman
The whole public education is funded via level of supposed fitness of the students. The teachers union, feeding programs, medicating, testing, sex ed, self esteem classes and the curriculum selected are all modeled upon the TOE modeling system.
To: CarolinaGuitarman
This sentence, while seemingly impervious to English translation, seems to be repeating the same old canard about evolution being *just a theory* and therefore not like all the rest of science, which is *verified*.
The part that jumped out at me was the 'that occurred previous to written history' part. Sounds like it covers astronomy, cosmology, geology, archeology, anthropology, etc. as well as biology.
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:04:11 PM PDT
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
To: ml1954
The part that jumped out at me was the 'that occurred previous to written history' part. Sounds like it covers astronomy, cosmology, geology, archeology, anthropology, etc. as well as biology. Well, that's all evolution. If it contradicts Genesis in any way it simply must be evolution.
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:14:20 PM PDT
by
BMCDA
(If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
To: ml1954
The part that jumped out at me was the 'that occurred previous to written history' part. Sounds like it covers astronomy, cosmology, geology, archeology, anthropology, etc. as well as biology. It also rules out Genesis. No human observer was there for the six days of creation. Even Adam, who arrived on day six, didn't witness his own appearance, and he was asleep when Eve was created. So where does that leave us?
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
To: ml1954
Yes, it covers everything previous to Sumeria.
Lovely.
To: curiosity
"Yikes. I'd never thought I'd be on the same side of an issue as the teachers' unions. Oh well. Broken clocks and all that..."Console yourself, on this issue the ID-iots/Creationists are on the same side as the taliban/islamofacists
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:31:54 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: PatrickHenry
Fornicators! (tipping over my easy chair)
Abortion! (it surely must be in here somewhere)
Adultry! (can't think of anything)
Idol worship! (whatever)
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:32:32 PM PDT
by
MonroeDNA
(Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
To: PatrickHenry
It also rules out Genesis. No human observer was there for the six days of creation. Even Adam, who arrived on day six, didn't witness his own appearance, and he was asleep when Eve was created. So where does that leave us?
I dunno. While it rules out teaching Genesis as scince it requires substantial 'critical analysis' of much of biology, astronomy, cosmology, geology, archeology, anthropology, etc.
Sounds to me like the objective may be to indoctrinate that "science can't be trusted".
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:39:27 PM PDT
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
To: ml1954
scince = science
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posted on
04/02/2006 12:40:47 PM PDT
by
ml1954
(NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
To: Just mythoughts
"The whole public education is funded via level of supposed fitness of the students. The teachers union, feeding programs, medicating, testing, sex ed, self esteem classes and the curriculum selected are all modeled upon the TOE modeling system."
How is this organized? I have seen NOTHING like it where I have lived (NY and NC).
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posted on
04/02/2006 1:09:29 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("Things are not what they always seem.")
"Food stamps, halitosis and crab-grass is modeled upon the TOE modeling system." placemark
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posted on
04/02/2006 3:17:33 PM PDT
by
dread78645
(Evolution. Dying since 1859.)
To: dread78645
To: Just mythoughts
The teachers union, feeding programs, medicating, testing, sex ed, self esteem classes and the curriculum selected are all modeled upon the TOE modeling system.
I do not understand how teachers unions, school lunch programs, medication programs, testing programs, sexual education, self-esteem courses or general school cirriculum are based upon improved reproductive success of biological organisms within a population based upon specific heriditable traits creating reproductive advantage when combined with specific environmental conditions. Perhaps you could elaborate. Thus far, your attempt at claiming a link does not appear valid.
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posted on
04/02/2006 3:25:24 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: PatrickHenry; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; Aussie Dasher; Baraonda; BereanBrain; ...
"Otto Fajen, chief lobbyist for the Missouri affiliate of the National Education Association, said the bills intention is to water down science education, which bodes ill for the nations economic future." What a feeble argument. Nothing has 'watered down' science as much as pushing the statistically devastated philosophy of evolution as 'science.'
Teachers:
Those that can, do; those that can't, teach.
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posted on
04/02/2006 3:29:53 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
To: editor-surveyor
Is Chinese hard to learn? Because we'll all be having to learn at least a passing amount of Chinese if we're ever going to compete at this rate.
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posted on
04/02/2006 3:34:15 PM PDT
by
jennyp
(WHAT I'M READING NOW: Getting to Yes by Fisher & Ury)
To: ml1954
"Since when is unverified empirical data presented as verified in a high school science class?" When promoting the philosophy of evolution. A really good example is the plate of skulls that is frequently posted here by evo propagandists.
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posted on
04/02/2006 3:35:41 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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